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A lot of drivers and fans got excited about learning that Joe Spiker was going to run the SCORA steel block class weekly, along with the open 410 class at Danville this year. Now Roger Hughes says that there will only be 5 special races in favor of a crate late model series.
If PA and OH can run 410, 358, and 305 sprints on the same night, why can't Danville run 2? Forget that it's been known as a "stock car track"......BS, it was a DEAD track.....died at the hands of a stock car promotor who had no stock car fans last year to support it. Joe is now resurrecting it. Why in the world, when everything was falling into place, would they want to go backwards? This is a time of transition for Danville, so now would be the time for true change. If there are enough crates.....then I'd say run them. But with plenty of 410's anxious to come, and SCORA organized and ready to go with plenty of cars, why not? They have changed from Friday to Sat nights, and Joe has told me "Sprint cars bring fans", so lets run'm both. That's my opinion.....whats yours?

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Crate Late Models are multiplying like jackrabbits. I know of almost 35-40 that will be running weekly at Brownstown from information gathered at pre season meetings. How many of them will run at VCS on the specials, I dont know? But hopefully it catches on.

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Not me, I would rather travel to Danville to see a second division of sprints than the Crates

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I have a dog in this fight. mscs20 is right, Danville has always had problems with staying open with the stock car class only. Bill Nelson a Late Model man made it very successful with Sprint Cars and great shows and respectible crowds. I am glad to see the Sprint Cars the major class at Danville. I beleive in my meetings with Joe Spiker that we SCORA would be run a good bit or as support to the Open Sprints. When Roger Hughes came into the picture things seemed to make a big change. He is a known stock car person and a salesman. I have not met with Joe Spiker since the races were cut, so this schedule with 19 crate races and 5 SCORA races were given to me from Roger. The last meeting I had with Spiker it was being discussed a weekly deal, about 18 nights. The first called I had from Roger he said we had been cut to 10 nights, then he comes back with this 5 nights schedule from mid summer to September. No races in May or July. Guys as far as I know Joe Spiker is still the boss and a very fair man and if not led the wrong direction should be very successful and till I hear from him directly, I will not put much faith in what Roger says. It is a no brainer why someone would take a chance on a unorganized group of crates as a major support series, when you could have an organized group of SCORA Sprint Cars with a guaranteed car count.
Cris Nunn, Brownstown is a Stock Car hotbed, so they will have the support of all tin top classes. So I feel that is where your heart is. Danville should turn out to be like Brownstown, only a Sprint Car haven for cars and fans, for Joe Spiker has great promotional ideas as long as he doesn't listen to the wrong people. Vermilion County Speedway should deserve your support. Sam Stockon Sr.

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My decisions to have avoided attending the VCS sprint car events were always directly related to the number of tin top classes used for additional back gate by former promoters.
I dread that this "change" is leading back to more failures at VCS.

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I know it doesn't apply here. But Id much rather watch a limited sprint than a Mini Sprint. The sound, the wheelstands ect. WE NEED THIS!

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Well, I was a LOW buck racer myself long ago, and I can tell you that this SCORA series has made me preuse the classifieds more than once. I will not be strapping in again, but I can assure you that I would have been, or may still be a regular in the stands to watch the "low budget" guys like I used to be. To me, it's just better than watching the guys who have and always had more money than me. I sit toward turn four. Hope to see you there. Keep puchin' Sam.

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First off..I for one would really like to see the SCORA Series become succesful. But to call the series organized at this point seems a bit premature. Where are the rules? What are the rules? Is there a list of racers that are actually going to show up at the track with a car?..or is this guaranteed car count based on "racers commited to being interested" (quote by Sam).
Running a limited sprint car class with such a vague set of rules will lead to heated altercations in the pits and at the SCORA tent. If someone shows up with a thumper steel block and a titanium car and starts to dominate, Sam has told me that, "there may be a question" (quote) And someone eventually will show up with a thumper...even if the race pays $25 to win.
This does not sound organized..it sounds like adding and/or changing rules in mid stroke.
I am not trying to be negative...just realistic.
The Danville promotors should be applauded for trying out weekly sprints...they are in uncharted waters...but in tough economic times I can understand their caution.
I would like to see the pits filled with 30 SCORA sprint cars, but in reality I think we will see 10-12 cars. Just my opinion. Thanks
Al Wissmiller

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Sam my support is with VCS. Brownstown was a better decision financially for me.

I hate putting my personal life on here, but I am in the midst of a divorce, which means I need to stay close to home, I get my son on Saturday nights, and Brownstown is a lot closer than Danville is, and when the job was offered back to be at Brownstown I had to take it. My son can come with me, sit with my Mom and Grandparents and enjoy the races. Late Models and Sprint Cars are my main loves in racing, I wish I owned a track that could do both, like Joe is trying to do.

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Al Wissmiller, You question my organization. Rule books have been printed for a month and drivers list is at 37 commitments. I can give you a full field out ot that committed list. Rules, just like when I ran MSCS are set in stone for the complete 2009 season. You from experience should know I do not put up with B. S. at the racetrack. There are a segment of trouble makers in our sport and none I am aware of are invited or have put in for a license. We are putting this together for enjoyment for people that love the sport. Anyone who has committed to the Series is welcome to a rule book and those that have taken licenses already have rule books, drivers names, and payoff breakdown. I spend everyday working on this Series so it is far from being disorganized. Scheduling is my big battle at this time. If you think an endeavor like this is pleasant, I would be glad to let you try doing it. As you know personally I am just an old addicted racer that just enjoys being aroung the sport and most people in the sport. Sam Stockon Sr.

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Sam do you plan on being at the trade show saturday?

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Originally Posted by SamSr32:
Al Wissmiller, You question my organization. Rule books have been printed for a month and drivers list is at 37 commitments. I can give you a full field out ot that committed list. Rules, just like when I ran MSCS are set in stone for the complete 2009 season. You from experience should know I do not put up with B. S. at the racetrack. There are a segment of trouble makers in our sport and none I am aware of are invited or have put in for a license. We are putting this together for enjoyment for people that love the sport. Anyone who has committed to the Series is welcome to a rule book and those that have taken licenses already have rule books, drivers names, and payoff breakdown. I spend everyday working on this Series so it is far from being disorganized. Scheduling is my big battle at this time. If you think an endeavor like this is pleasant, I would be glad to let you try doing it. As you know personally I am just an old addicted racer that just enjoys being aroung the sport and most people in the sport. Sam Stockon Sr.

This message was dated January 15:

Al, You of all people know from the MSCS experience that rules will be black and white and their will be no variation during the summer. The only thing is if one car runs away with all the races and it is determined by the SCORA group that he has out dollared the competition, there may be a question. At this time I have 32 committed racers and I am slow on getting a rule book printed till am sure on all items. The motor rule is STEEL BLOCK. No other specs or weight rule. I did this to try to give the racers in our area a chance to use their equipment without much extra cost. Carbs are fine, but no gasoline, alky only. The goup has just voted to run the DT3 as a right rear tire. This was the biggest hold up on finishing the rule book. Also, if a car is equiped with cockpit adjustments, they must be inoperable when racing. Most other rules will be the normal Sprint Car Rules. I should have printed rule books by the Indy Expo on January 31. We have Danville as our home track and I am working on a schedule with Joe Spiker at this time. Scheduling is going slower than I expected, but it looks as I write this that we will have a show at Terre Haute and one at Scottsburg, Indiana in the middle of July at there fair. Any help you might be able to give me on the Illinois tracks would be appreciated. I hope this helps answer some of your questions.
If you are interested in running with us send me your mailing address, email address, phone number. Hopefully we can have a fun group and enjoy our ediction. Thanks, Sam

The way I read this...it will be up to the discretion of the SCORA group to determine if a team has "out dollared" the competition.
Sorry Dude, but that ain't "black and white", or "set in stone". And if SCORA determines that someone has "out dollared", then what....you get sent home?..or just slow down a little? I am seeing a lot of gray area here.
Money has taken the fun out of most forms of motorsports. And without a concrete set of rules it could do the same to this series.
I will say it again, Sam...the only calls that a sanctioning body should make at the track involve incidents on the track. Who gets their position back...and who goes to the pits. The rule book should take care of everything else.
Again...these are just my opinions...the first post (Steve) asked for opinions.
Al

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The SCORA Sprint Series is Sprint Car Owners Racing Association. Any decision such as you call gray area would be up to the decision of the majority of the licensed drivers. The car rules are finished and working seven days a week on this run the days together so two weeks sometimes feels like a month. SCORA was formed for the benefit of the racers involved and things to this point have been very agreeable. Enough said!

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Sam:

Don't you think you guys should let the man who pays the bills make the decision as to what classes to run. To call SCORA an organized group and claim you can guarantee a large car count is getting a little carried away. I don't agree that you can't run late models and sprint cars at the same track on the same night. Joe Shaheen did it and was very successful. If Spiker or Roger Hughes really needs your advice, I'm sure they have your number. I'm looking forward to running 410 open sprint cars at Danville on Saturday nights. Jim Mahan 7X

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Just my opinion, but I'd rather watch ten junk sprint cars race than 40 top shelf late models.:applaud:

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Originally Posted by Al Soran:
Just my opinion, but I'd rather watch ten junk sprint cars race than 40 top shelf late models.:applaud:

We all cant be perfect :)

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I think this SCORA series is the best thing I have heard of for the low budget sprint car guys in years, actually since MSCS went "unlimited".

I see NO problem with the rules. (except that Sam didn't impose a 1 3/4 header rule to limit those "high dollar" teams that might show up and try to dominate this series with big motors)

I for one will support Sam any way I can in this series.

I think the modifides have taken the place of Late Models here in this part of the country and put on one hell of a show. Street Stocks at Bloomington alway used to impress me also, but of course thats just Bloomington Speedway for ya!

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I will be at the Expo Saturday. I will have a spot with Vermilion County Speedway.
Any questions or discussions about SCORA can be done at that time. Also, people that think I am pitting Sprint Cars against Stock Cars are all wrong, for I successfully drove Stock Cars for twenty years and I have an appreciation for all racers. I just happened to be involved in Sprint Cars at this time and their success.

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Originally Posted by SamSr32:
I will be at the Expo Saturday. I will have a spot with Vermilion County Speedway.
Any questions or discussions about SCORA can be done at that time. Also, people that think I am pitting Sprint Cars against Stock Cars are all wrong, for I successfully drove Stock Cars for twenty years and I have an appreciation for all racers. I just happened to be involved in Sprint Cars at this time and their success.

Look forward to meeting you tomorrow Sam!

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I believe Danville should run all the sprint cars they can get over running crate late models or some other stock cars. I may be a little biased on my opinion since I have scheduled most of the other races SCORA will run in 2009. I am looking forward to doing some traveling around Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, and going back to Eldora, where I haven't ran since 2003.:thumb

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I think Sam has put together one hell of a schedule and this series will draw plenty of cars.

Sure there is gonna be somebody put together a top notch car with a good motor. I don't think they will run every race on the schedule but I think they will be at many of the shows. No matter what, winning this 1st season championship is going to be a big feather is someones hat and I think it will make for some awesome racing!

I know for a fact I wish I could win it and as many features as I could, but I bet it won't be easy for anybody.

As for VCS, they have to do what they think is best for them, with 3 other tracks running on Sat night maybe they just think its too much for one night?