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nathans1012 12/27/24 9:29 PM

POWRi National Midget League - 2025 Schedule
 
POWRi National Midget League

2025 Schedule
Website - www.powri.com

https://i.imgur.com/3TVWKc5.jpeg

jason88cubs 12/28/24 12:39 AM

No illinois speedweeks?

racenut69 12/28/24 9:45 AM

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wth..smh!
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Originally Posted by jason88cubs (Post 578555)
no illinois speedweeks?


Dirtfan 12/28/24 11:10 AM

Two nights @ Macon look inviting.

Dirtfan 12/28/24 11:11 AM

Two nights @ Macon look inviting.No Jacksonville sucks though.

jason88cubs 12/28/24 2:09 PM

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No Spoon, No Jax, No Lincoln, No Marion, No Highland. Wow they really skipped out on Illinois

Wonder what the deal is?

Spoon, Jax, Highland will have Xtreme outlaws, Lincoln runs Mara

Really sad to see no speedweeks. Would love some inside info on that

Hustlin-Hoosier 12/28/24 4:27 PM

Highland on Sept. 6th

captrat 12/29/24 10:45 AM

Welcome to the world of midget racing eating its own via the alphabet soup of sanctioning bodies and varying specs. The history of midget racing sadly repeats itself.

Charles Nungester 12/29/24 2:46 PM

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National? Three states? National?

racenut69 12/29/24 3:41 PM

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No Fayette County again this year...:(

jdull99 12/29/24 5:09 PM

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jdull99 12/29/24 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester (Post 578567)
National? Three states? National?

Or it means the style of rules they are using?...it has turned that like they & USAC are "National" midgets...then u have Badger/MARA rules (which, yes, sometimes they are just as fast or faster than the USAC & POWRi versions), D2s, IRP & Grundy pavement series, etc...

Like the other post said, lot of different versions...I like all forms of them, but yes, it should be said what version...I mean, it's no different than crate engine/358/360/410/etc sprint cars, (from the pavement world) Limited/Pro/Super Late models...etc, etc...

kendirt 12/29/24 8:32 PM

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Originally Posted by captrat (Post 578566)
Welcome to the world of midget racing eating its own via the alphabet soup of sanctioning bodies and varying specs. The history of midget racing sadly repeats itself.

Or you could say it's the trajectory POWRi's been on for a while irrespective of what anyone else is doing.

jdull99 12/30/24 3:13 AM

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I would have to wonder if these co-sanction shows are kinda costly to the promoter? Maybe there is breaks given so not, but I wouldn't be surprised if a co-sanction is more expensive than a stand-alone show...

&, I was somewhat afraid to point it out, but it appears during the 2024 IL midget week; there were not any B-mains and the final event had 16 cars. Maybe the lower #s played a part? Perhaps enough cars for B-mains, and more, is beneficial to the promoters?

jason88cubs 12/30/24 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jdull99 (Post 578579)
I would have to wonder if these co-sanction shows are kinda costly to the promoter? Maybe there is breaks given so not, but I wouldn't be surprised if a co-sanction is more expensive than a stand-alone show...

&, I was somewhat afraid to point it out, but it appears during the 2024 IL midget week; there were not any B-mains and the final event had 16 cars. Maybe the lower #s played a part? Perhaps enough cars for B-mains, and more, is beneficial to the promoters?

Yea they cancelled the Lincoln race last year. They said due to heat (it was over 100 easily) but I wonder if it was really low car count

To bad though. I love midget racing

kendirt 12/30/24 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jdull99 (Post 578579)
I would have to wonder if these co-sanction shows are kinda costly to the promoter? Maybe there is breaks given so not, but I wouldn't be surprised if a co-sanction is more expensive than a stand-alone show...

&, I was somewhat afraid to point it out, but it appears during the 2024 IL midget week; there were not any B-mains and the final event had 16 cars. Maybe the lower #s played a part? Perhaps enough cars for B-mains, and more, is beneficial to the promoters?

So do your own math.

If you were a promoter what would you consider an acceptable car count? High 20s/low 30s? At 16 cars your back gate is off 40-50%.

I'm saying Midgets average no less than four pit passes per car. You put in whatever number you think is right. Lincoln's pit pass for a weekly show was $35 last season.

jason88cubs 12/30/24 1:49 PM

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The bigger concern is why is midget racing so lacking in Illinois?

nathans1012 12/30/24 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jason88cubs (Post 578586)
The bigger concern is why is midget racing so lacking in Illinois?

Illinois is mostly a fender state. Outside of Jacksonville & Redhill there isn’t a lot of open wheel racing except for MOWA & MARA. You won’t see an open wheel race at Fairbury anytime soon because the fans won’t show up to support it.

ISF 12/30/24 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nathans1012 (Post 578590)
Illinois is mostly a fender state. Outside of Jacksonville & Redhill there isn’t a lot of open wheel racing except for MOWA & MARA. You won’t see an open wheel race at Fairbury anytime soon because the fans won’t show up to support it.

Considering Fairbury's record regarding problems with their attempts at hosting open wheel racing in the semi-recent past the lack thereof probably is of no particular loss.

Jacksonville actually thrives hosting open wheel racing with 1/2 the seating capacity of Fairbury. We attend at minimum 4 or 5 open wheel events at J-ville and they don't lack support whatsoever.

Pitdad 12/30/24 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jason88cubs (Post 578586)
The bigger concern is why is midget racing so lacking in Illinois?

In 2024, MARA/BMARA contested 15 shows (and lost 5 others to weather). Averaged 21.8 cars per night (including three 30+ car counts).

POWRi/Xtreme hosted 5 shows averaging 23.4 cars. They lost 2 shows to weather.

POWRi Speedweeks hosted 3 shows (and 1 cancelled for "weather") averaging 19.7 cars.

And, POWRi sanctioned the Knepper show with 55 cars participating.

For 2024, that's 32 midget shows scheduled with 24 actually happening, averaging more than 20 cars per show.

As it stands now, POWRi/Xtreme has 7 shows scheduled. IMRA-POWRi is apparently resurrected and planning at least 9 shows (at Spoon). And MARA + BMARA is scheduling approximately 20 shows again. All in the state of Illinois. That's not bad in my opinion. Is it what it was in "the glory days"? Certainly not. But none of open wheel racing can claim the numbers they put up way back when.

I think the question is, how will IMRA and MARA schedule each other and will they tear each other apart, or help each other? Theoretically, a "built" MARA engine isn't legal at an IMRA show, much like we are not welcome at USAC D-2 shows...

TQ29m 12/30/24 4:10 PM

I know it's been a long time ago, but did Namars not shoot their selves in the foot when they decided to move to Michigan, I almost bought a midget, but didn't after they made that public, I then went to a TQ, and was glad I did!

kendirt 12/30/24 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitdad (Post 578592)
In 2024, MARA/BMARA contested 15 shows (and lost 5 others to weather). Averaged 21.8 cars per night (including three 30+ car counts).

POWRi/Xtreme hosted 5 shows averaging 23.4 cars. They lost 2 shows to weather.

POWRi Speedweeks hosted 3 shows (and 1 cancelled for "weather") averaging 19.7 cars.

And, POWRi sanctioned the Knepper show with 55 cars participating.

For 2024, that's 32 midget shows scheduled with 24 actually happening, averaging more than 20 cars per show.

As it stands now, POWRi/Xtreme has 7 shows scheduled. IMRA-POWRi is apparently resurrected and planning at least 9 shows (at Spoon). And MARA + BMARA is scheduling approximately 20 shows again. All in the state of Illinois. That's not bad in my opinion. Is it what it was in "the glory days"? Certainly not. But none of open wheel racing can claim the numbers they put up way back when.

I think the question is, how will IMRA and MARA schedule each other and will they tear each other apart, or help each other? Theoretically, a "built" MARA engine isn't legal at an IMRA show, much like we are not welcome at USAC D-2 shows...

Coles County and that other track down by them that I can't think of the name right now ran D2 rules bi-weekly last season. I assume they're doing it again.

jason88cubs 12/30/24 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitdad (Post 578592)
In 2024, MARA/BMARA contested 15 shows (and lost 5 others to weather). Averaged 21.8 cars per night (including three 30+ car counts).

POWRi/Xtreme hosted 5 shows averaging 23.4 cars. They lost 2 shows to weather.

POWRi Speedweeks hosted 3 shows (and 1 cancelled for "weather") averaging 19.7 cars.

And, POWRi sanctioned the Knepper show with 55 cars participating.

For 2024, that's 32 midget shows scheduled with 24 actually happening, averaging more than 20 cars per show.

As it stands now, POWRi/Xtreme has 7 shows scheduled. IMRA-POWRi is apparently resurrected and planning at least 9 shows (at Spoon). And MARA + BMARA is scheduling approximately 20 shows again. All in the state of Illinois. That's not bad in my opinion. Is it what it was in "the glory days"? Certainly not. But none of open wheel racing can claim the numbers they put up way back when.

I think the question is, how will IMRA and MARA schedule each other and will they tear each other apart, or help each other? Theoretically, a "built" MARA engine isn't legal at an IMRA show, much like we are not welcome at USAC D-2 shows...

Good point and my home track (Lincoln) does run MARA which is fun

But being able to se USAC at Macon was pretty special. only a 40 minute drive where I didn't have to worry about hotels? or sleeping in my truck? That was special

I'll be going down to Tri City to watch USAC this year. Just wish USAC could do a Jax, Lincoln, Macon, Farmer City, Coles County run

But I get Xtreme Midgets and POWRI can affect that

oldfan49 1/4/25 8:18 PM

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They have also been dropped from the annual Lucas Oil Speedway Open Wheel Shootout in Wheatland, Mo. and replaced by the 305 winged cars. (ASCS is replaced by the POWRI 410 winged cars as well.
Not good since that track has trouble surviving one winged class much less 2 although there may be fewr 410's than 360s and the 305s usually had less than 10 cars last year


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