Bacon going wing racing next year
 

Don’t think this is a huge surprise, but nevertheless it’s official.

https://www.bradybaconracing.com/press/article/161535

I wish him luck. He’s been a great ambassador for USAC and a really great driver. I have no doubt he’ll be successful. I do hate to see so much talent leave for the wings though. There is more money in it, but there is also way more drivers going for it. It hasn’t worked out for all that make the switch.

Too bad Kyle Larson hasn’t invested a single penny into non-winged racing of any kind. As far as I’m concerned, he is the biggest threat/enemy of USAC. Look what he did to the All Stars. The one good thing is now the little twerp Brady won’t beat Dave Darland’s win record. I’d rather Justin Grant get it. Also little, but only runs without the ginormous crutch on the car.

Was really hoping Brady would beat Darland's record. He says he'll still run 15-20 USAC shows so it certainly could still happen.

So who ends up in the HRM #69?

I was hoping he'd stick around long enough to break the record.

The article says they're going to run 15-20 USAC races next year. I'm saying he needs two years running a partial USAC schedule to get the record. I don't think that would be an unrealistic timeline before they go HL or WoO full-time.

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Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
Too bad Kyle Larson hasn’t invested a single penny into non-winged racing of any kind. As far as I’m concerned, he is the biggest threat/enemy of USAC. Look what he did to the All Stars. The one good thing is now the little twerp Brady won’t beat Dave Darland’s win record. I’d rather Justin Grant get it. Also little, but only runs without the ginormous crutch on the car.

Wow, Guess you didn't read where Brady was running select USAC races as well. Probably mostly ones he can double up on.

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Originally Posted by Pancho Stapp:
So who ends up in the HRM #69?

Not sure, Rob intends to keep a team out there at least until their Hundred anniversary of HAR and possibly beyond which I think is 2028.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Not sure, Rob intends to keep a team out there at least until their Hundred anniversary of HAR and possibly beyond which I think is 2028.

Chuck, you being the most vocal IOW supporter of the HAR team, give us Your Reach for the Star , next chapter, Team HAR USAC Sprint Car Driver choice to replace Bacon in 2025, just for fun.

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Love to see Daison and Bacon go full wing. I think Bacon could eventually be a Tyler Courtney type driver (in terms of competitiveness) Daison will be solid as well. This does spell trouble for USAC / non wing racing though going forward, All of their top drivers are transitioning to wing and no one is here to replace them. Not sure how USAC will look 5-10 years from now. Trending down wards at the moment.

Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
Chuck, you being the most vocal IOW supporter of the HAR team, give us Your Reach for the Star , next chapter, Team HAR USAC Sprint Car Driver choice to replace Bacon in 2025, just for fun.

He also is the biggest supporter of Lawrenceburg Speedway.

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Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
Love to see Daison and Bacon go full wing. I think Bacon could eventually be a Tyler Courtney type driver (in terms of competitiveness) Daison will be solid as well. This does spell trouble for USAC / non wing racing though going forward, All of their top drivers are transitioning to wing and no one is here to replace them. Not sure how USAC will look 5-10 years from now. Trending down wards at the moment.

You don't have to gloat about it....:7:

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Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
Love to see Daison and Bacon go full wing. I think Bacon could eventually be a Tyler Courtney type driver (in terms of competitiveness) Daison will be solid as well. This does spell trouble for USAC / non wing racing though going forward, All of their top drivers are transitioning to wing and no one is here to replace them. Not sure how USAC will look 5-10 years from now. Trending down wards at the moment.

We won't know, they don't post their results on here anyways...

Originally Posted by revjimk:
You don't have to gloat about it....:7:

He speaks the truth tho…

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Just proves USAC is the stepping stone that it has built itself to be. The best move on to Nascar ranks, the next tier moves on to wing cars. Like it or not, drivers are always going to chase the money. Wings are far more popular across the USA. Its far easier to get good car counts and good paying races in the wing world. Non wing racing is great, but it's a regional Nitch. Nothing wrong with that either. Be proud you get to watch so many stars develop.

My .02 is that Daison will be more successful than Brady in the Wing World.

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Originally Posted by motorhead748:
He speaks the truth tho…

I never said he didn't
Just asked him to stop gloating about it
USAC is losing way too many of its top drivers :(

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Wow, Guess you didn't read where Brady was running select USAC races as well. Probably mostly ones he can double up on.

This is about much more than Brady.

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Is Spridge going along too? Into a management position where Bacon races so that if the rules need to be broken, it’ll be swept under the rug like this year?

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Blah, Blah, Blah blah blah blah, USAC's done, over, nobody wants to run it, Blah.
The champions always move on or retire yet it continues and is still the best racing in the overall scheme of things. it also makes it more incentive for locals to run the shows when they could crack the top five possibly and not hope to crack the top ten

In either discipline they're going to have to compete against top teams. While each takes huge sums of money to run full time. It's still probably half to run USAC. I've seen many leave and basically not be able to continue due to fundage. Not finishing well getting fired because either the car owner sees someone else as better or someone else can bring backing.

I got no idea who HAR will hookup with or if. All I know is that Rob said it was his desire to at least make the 100 mark. And I couldn't tell you even if I did until they release the info themselves.. Several guys out there that would like to try full time or all full time USAC but need more to be competitive.

The rumors of USAC's demise have been greatly exaggerated...for decades.

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That’s a lot of Blah :3:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76:
Is Spridge going along too? Into a management position where Bacon races so that if the rules need to be broken, it’ll be swept under the rug like this year?

That right there is too funny!

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Originally Posted by Chief Wahoo:
That’s a lot of Blah :3:

I've been told Im "Full of it" more than once.

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76:
Is Spridge going along too? Into a management position where Bacon races so that if the rules need to be broken, it’ll be swept under the rug like this year?

You think Spridge was with him when he won his two WoO races? Or made the A-mains at Knoxville and the King's Royal this year?

Seems like people don't get that he's already fast in a winged car.

I’ll guess CJ Leary in the 69 next year.

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76:
Is Spridge going along too??

We can dream, can’t we?

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Blah, Blah, Blah blah blah blah, USAC's done, over, nobody wants to run it, Blah.
The champions always move on or retire yet it continues and is still the best racing in the overall scheme of things. it also makes it more incentive for locals to run the shows when they could crack the top five possibly and not hope to crack the top ten

In either discipline they're going to have to compete against top teams. While each takes huge sums of money to run full time. It's still probably half to run USAC. I've seen many leave and basically not be able to continue due to fundage. Not finishing well getting fired because either the car owner sees someone else as better or someone else can bring backing.

I got no idea who HAR will hookup with or if. All I know is that Rob said it was his desire to at least make the 100 mark. And I couldn't tell you even if I did until they release the info themselves.. Several guys out there that would like to try full time or all full time USAC but need more to be competitive.

I respect your opinion but to say the top USAC teams are spending half what wing guys are is false. The top USAC teams are buying the same top of the line motors as winged teams, new tires every time they hit the track, full time crew guys, fleet of cars, etc. USAC will be fine, new guys will fill the void but they need to find a way to bolster purses, tow money, and other perks through series sponsorships or other avenues.

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Originally Posted by staggerman:
I respect your opinion but to say the top USAC teams are spending half what wing guys are is false. The top USAC teams are buying the same top of the line motors as winged teams, new tires every time they hit the track, full time crew guys, fleet of cars, etc. USAC will be fine, new guys will fill the void but they need to find a way to bolster purses, tow money, and other perks through series sponsorships or other avenues.

I think you might be surprised at what the top wing teams are spending compared to the top non-wing teams. You win more, you spend more. Sadly the wing schedule is at least 1/2 or more of tracks that are in the half mile range. That extra speed kills cars. Just before Eldora when Day crashed, they were talking about that being his last chassis. That guy is a top 10 earner this year, probably top 5. Now that the HiLimit guys are allowed to run as much as they want, you see them at several other shows.

As far as USAC goes, it is keeping itself relevant. They are doing good enough to grab solid young talent. Several of those guys do move on, but you do get some that come back. Its nice that the series is good enough for those guys to come back to. Think about it, Bacon's career was pretty much over when he came back. Now he has a chance to step up again. At the same time think about Pursley. Thank God the usac community is very close. How many other series would a car owner take a chance on a guy after that type of injury (well without bringing a wheel barrel full of cash)?

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Blah, Blah, Blah blah blah blah, USAC's done, over, nobody wants to run it, Blah.
The champions always move on or retire yet it continues and is still the best racing in the overall scheme of things. it also makes it more incentive for locals to run the shows when they could crack the top five possibly and not hope to crack the top ten

In either discipline they're going to have to compete against top teams. While each takes huge sums of money to run full time. It's still probably half to run USAC. I've seen many leave and basically not be able to continue due to fundage. Not finishing well getting fired because either the car owner sees someone else as better or someone else can bring backing.

I got no idea who HAR will hookup with or if. All I know is that Rob said it was his desire to at least make the 100 mark. And I couldn't tell you even if I did until they release the info themselves.. Several guys out there that would like to try full time or all full time USAC but need more to be competitive.

Wasn't Bacon basically renting the Hoffman name?

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Originally Posted by Dale:
Wasn't Bacon basically renting the Hoffman name?

I got no idea how the deal worked. HAR may buy the rollers. I do know that during their 2014 championship season they used one chassis. They had a second car but only used it once after he flipped in qualifying it was just precaution chassis was fine.


What I meant was twice the cost. Rebuild are at least twice as fast, maybe three times more often Winged. Fuel. A winged car easily uses a third more. They don't even run 25 lappers at Knoxville anymore for reg shows. While they may be using the same motors in usac, They're torque curve is different and if your woo or HL your travel is a ton more than usac.

I still think USAC is a really good option for guys that want to be home more. It’s a national series, but the schedule is definitely Midwest centered, kinda like the All Stars were centered in OH/PA. Everyone wants USAC to pay more, but that money has to come from somewhere. I figure Flo is bankrolling the High Limit shows to some extent. They could help out if they wanted. In any case, I will still go to non wing shows, they are often better racing, and I’ll go to wing shows too.

Winged racing has always paid more but there was probably a time when if you could win consistently in USAC amongst the 3 divisions coupled with the better access to pavement opportunities made USAC a great option.

Those days are long gone and it’s looking more and more like USAC is a feeder division to WoO and High Limit.

I just watched T-Mez TV's latest episode.

He put it out there that he's down to do more wing racing than he already has been.

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The progression from sprint cars to NASCRAP and winded cars has been the norm for quite a time. And the demise of USAC has been there all that time. But every time a Larson or Bell or Sunshine moves on a new crop od superstars show up.
People always say USAC is an Indiana thing but when USAC or back when the SCRA comes to Ok, Ks, Mo area stands were packed to the point that one year the fire Dept made Lakeside quit selling tickets.
Biggest problem is sprint car fans come for the racing. Most NASCRAP, winged car, and late model fans come for the party, a lot of them I ask don't even know who won the race the next day.
USAC is way behind in their marketing strategy.

I wasn't aware USAC had a marketing strategy 🤣

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Originally Posted by kendirt:
You think Spridge was with him when he won his two WoO races? Or made the A-mains at Knoxville and the King's Royal this year?

Seems like people don't get that he's already fast in a winged car.

We were to believe he was fast in a non wing car too. That doesn’t change what happened in Macon. This will be the third go round for him leaving for winged racing. I hope he is semi successful so he doesn’t feel the need to return.

My favorite racing club has always had its ebb’s and flow’s. It’s always been a feeder system providing the greatest race car drivers of all time. The landscape and destination’s have changed too. Since the Outlaws put forth the propaganda of the Greatest Show On Dirt, they’ve become the most popular form of Sprint Car racing. Hell, kids growing like Pursley probably never even saw Hewitt or Shuman, Vogler, not to mention the giant’s of racing. But they did see Schatz and were exposed to the propaganda machine, and therefore it’s not unreasonable to see a younger crop of racer’s aspiring to be an Outlaw, and now also maybe a High Roller. I thought I would miss Big Daddy and Sunshine, turns out I really didn’t. My biggest disappointment with the current turnover is not getting to see what Daison could do running all 3 divisions for a couple years. Brady has already accomplished a ton in USAC. So good luck to them both, we’ll be watching. Meanwhile USAC might have a down year or two, but it’ll come back, always does

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Rodgers, Moles, Drake, If Swanson can find a full time ride. Think Leary and Grant are still good for a couple more years. Possibly Kayala. TALL, Cale Coons? Im sure there's a few Im missing.