Details on the High Limit Racing charter system by 2026.
 

Details on the High Limit Racing 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺 that is set to be fully implemented by 2026:

-10 total charters will be handed out
-Five will be given to the top 5 finishing teams in points in '24
-The next five will be given to the highest finishing teams in points that don't already have a charter in '25
-In 2026, teams with a charter will receive 50% of High Limit's streaming revenue annually.

I wondered if this would be the end result, I certainly hope not
Bob

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The USAC banquet last night said something about 140,000 viewers on Flo for the BC 39. And a average of something like 30-40k watching all USAC events.

Im just a dummy but a calculator says 21 million in subscriptions based on BC 39 alone. I know they got there cost to cover, Servers, crews and announcers but if just two of those million went split between purses and tracks, Racing would be in a lot better shape. I know they're helping some. But it's also hurting others. The CRA tracks wouldn't do what the did if it wasn't.

30-40k per race is fantastic… IMO, some track promoters should take note on that kind of exposure.

On the 21 million subs, I don’t understand your math? That would be great, and if it was true, yes, there should be some $ to tracks.
But i just can’t figure out how arrived at that number?

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Originally Posted by Crankin:
30-40k per race is fantastic… IMO, some track promoters should take note on that kind of exposure.

On the 21 million subs, I don’t understand your math? That would be great, and if it was true, yes, there should be some $ to tracks.
But i just can’t figure out how arrived at that number?

Each subscription is $150 right Times 140.000 viewers. for the BC39, means Flo Racing has at least 21million in subscribers.. Im guessing it's way higher than that, But thats what watched the BC39

Would love to know the Chili Bowl's viewership even though that's not USAC

Remember it's Flosports, not just racing.

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Originally Posted by Aurora78:
Remember it's Flosports, not just racing.

Right and I get it. But just looking for ways the get some of the $$$ to the tracks and racers. If you watch the interview with Don of Perris. He loses on it. Either better compensation or a local blackout is needed

I don't remember those kind of complaints when Speedshift (Which Flo Bought) was charging full event price to stream.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
The USAC banquet last night said something about 140,000 viewers on Flo for the BC 39. And a average of something like 30-40k watching all USAC events.

Im just a dummy but a calculator says 21 million in subscriptions based on BC 39 alone. I know they got there cost to cover, Servers, crews and announcers but if just two of those million went split between purses and tracks, Racing would be in a lot better shape. I know they're helping some. But it's also hurting others. The CRA tracks wouldn't do what the did if it wasn't.

Is that 140,00 unique viewers through the four day event? Meaning 140,000 different individuals. Or is that a 140,000 viewers all together? Same viewer, four nights equals four viewers.

Originally Posted by Offroadrace_814:
Is that 140,00 unique viewers through the four day event? Meaning 140,000 different individuals. Or is that a 140,000 viewers all together? Same viewer, four nights equals four viewers.

Very difficult to impossible to have any understanding of viewing from the very very limited information released.

I for example am only able to watch a hand full of Silver Crown Races 'Live' due to the time difference but I watch 100% of full USAC event replays.

How does my viewing habits register as an overseas viewer?

When watching a High Limit replay I just fast forward to the feature, how would that be recorded?

Or when navigating FloRacing home screen blind trying to avoid spoilers, and I accidentally click on a event that I watch no more than say 5 seconds of before exiting does that register as a view?

So many variables.

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable

😀

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Originally Posted by Offroadrace_814:
Is that 140,00 unique viewers through the four day event? Meaning 140,000 different individuals. Or is that a 140,000 viewers all together? Same viewer, four nights equals four viewers.

Very good point. I supposed I can go back watch Kevin Millers portion on the banquet which is on flo and see if he mentions that.

I was way off. Kevin said that over 50k viewers per night on any given night of USAC Midgets, Sprints or Crown AVG. And 140k viewers for the BC39 (Does not specify unique)

I've seen the steady improvement in payouts and bigger races and I hope flo becomes a billion dollar industry (if it already isn't) But without the tracks putting on the races or the racers and owners themselves. None of it happens.

I also think there's a ton of room to grow it. Pay for advertising on the drag racing-motocross, snow mobile streams. Emphasize that watching the stream is nothing compared to viewing it in person,

Anyway, just looking for ways to grow it and keep sprint and midget racers racing longer

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I have been a huge fan of sprint car racing all my life. My only experience above the fan level has been in the sponsor area and as a "gofer" for 2-3 years for a couple teams. I found out how devoted folks were to the sport. I am all for somehow making things more affordable for those involved. A fact of life is that the higher you go up the ladder, the less it remains a hobby and the more it becomes a business. It seems to me that Nascar is the top rung of this ladder and my impression is that the owners there do not intend to spend any of their own money anymore. Sponsorships pay the bills and some of the teams look like they've made a good living off the sponsors. When the word "charter" was mentioned at the top of this thread, I suddenly smelled a foul odor coming from my computer. Oh no! I can see standardized chassis, motors, gears, shocks, etc. coming down the pike later on. Identical cars! High Limit and FLO will be all about "the show" if they go down this road. WoO turned me off because I thought they headed in this direction. High Limit seems like they might be planning to go farther than WoO and mimicking Nascar's business model. This is why I follow USAC and other MSCS type organizations. People are racing because they LIKE it. I don't have all the answers, maybe none of them, but "business" seems to ruin every sport as that particular sport climbs the ladder of $$$$$$$$$$$. If it all keeps tracks and teams going, I guess I'm for it, but I don't like it.

Me, I'm still waiting to hear from the local guys who entertain us on a weekly basis,to see how many of them feel like it will be a benefit to them, or if they can take the move or look for something else, perhaps when we know how they feel, we can make a decision on what our plans might be, my hope is they will stay as they are, and grow their own base and be better paid in return
Bob

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Very good point. I supposed I can go back watch Kevin Millers portion on the banquet which is on flo and see if he mentions that.

I was way off. Kevin said that over 50k viewers per night on any given night of USAC Midgets, Sprints or Crown AVG. And 140k viewers for the BC39 (Does not specify unique)

I've seen the steady improvement in payouts and bigger races and I hope flo becomes a billion dollar industry (if it already isn't) But without the tracks putting on the races or the racers and owners themselves. None of it happens.

I also think there's a ton of room to grow it. Pay for advertising on the drag racing-motocross, snow mobile streams. Emphasize that watching the stream is nothing compared to viewing it in person,

Anyway, just looking for ways to grow it and keep sprint and midget racers racing longer

Not sure how you grow it if there is a corresponding drop or stagnation in actual attendance. AUto racing also has to show some type of community benefit in order to be accepted. The old rule of 1 dollar spent turns over three times, still is valid. If you don't have people coming to the track, there is also less money funneled into the local economy. FLO racing benefits USAC, but no one can seem to say that in exchange for FLO coming in and taking over your race track, the promoters are seeing a financial gain.

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Originally Posted by B99:
Not sure how you grow it if there is a corresponding drop or stagnation in actual attendance. AUto racing also has to show some type of community benefit in order to be accepted. The old rule of 1 dollar spent turns over three times, still is valid. If you don't have people coming to the track, there is also less money funneled into the local economy. FLO racing benefits USAC, but no one can seem to say that in exchange for FLO coming in and taking over your race track, the promoters are seeing a financial gain.

Nascar now is running commercials, SEE IT! Hear it, Feel it. Live in person. Get your tickets at.......

Im just throwing ideas out there. It's between the tracks, USAC and Flo on how to do it.