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boomer 10/10/23 10:19 AM

What was Robert saying about Grants tires during interview at the Burg?

Hubie48 10/10/23 11:01 AM

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https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/sho...d.php?t=124375

Post #6 in the thread, unless your just wanting to stir the pot :17:

RacingFan52 10/11/23 9:50 AM

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For cryin' out loud, Robert just made a statement. He neither mentioned cheating with tires nor Grant having a setup that no one else matched. He does run off with his mouth a bit but the guy is honest with what he thinks, which is hard to find these days.

berks co 10/11/23 12:32 PM

Exactly Ballou crying

leftrear 10/11/23 2:43 PM

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So I went back and listened to his rambling garbage again just to be sure. He first says Grant is the only one who's tires are in good shape. Then he goes on to say maybe one day things will be on a level playing field. Then he goes on to say maybe someday he will get some of those special tires or something. If this is not inferring cheating then I don't know what is.
In between those gems he took a swipe at the outgoing track promoters saying it's too bad after all their hard work they quit.

Sumofnoreturn 10/11/23 2:53 PM

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He is good for the sport...says what he thinks and is fast. I didnt care for him for a while but he has grown on me.

Charles Nungester 10/11/23 3:19 PM

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He also posted nice things about Crum on Facebook.

Gotta admit, when that first heat pushed off, He was the last one in that heat I would have picked to win it. And he did. (Crum)

Pitdad 10/11/23 5:05 PM

The sport needs hero’s and villains. Guy speaks his mind. Everybody dogs the boring NASCRAP interviews with all their corporate sanitized speech. This guy says something provocative and controversial, and everybody is up in arms! What about Hewitt or Sammy making bold statements in post race interviews? Everybody loves that… if they’re a Hewitt or Swindell fan. And the ones who aren’t hate it. But they show up at the next race to root for or against those guys. Important thing is, THE SHOW UP AT THE NEXT RACE. A little friction is good for fan following, and that sells tickets.

flagboy55 10/11/23 9:41 PM

Actually I had Crum in my Dirtdraft and expected him to win the heat. I must have been the only one. I’ve always been a Blu fan. I don’t agree with all he says, but he’s no fluke. He’s been competitive more often than not, and fun to listen to. I always am skeptical when a beat down like that happens, but to imply cheating, to me is a bit of a stretch. For my money there’s simply too much at stake, not only for JG, but USAC as well.

Charles Nungester 10/12/23 8:26 AM

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I didn't have Crum mainly because I haven't seen him in a sprint here and because there were two USAC champs and three Burg Champs in the race.

Not because the car and driver weren't good. They are.

NoDramazone2020 10/13/23 10:45 AM

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RB is an entertainer in the entertainment industry that is Sprint Car racing. He is always giving 100% when he gets on the track. Sprint car racing is better with him in it.

BrentTFunk 10/13/23 2:01 PM

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I like Robert. Robert does a lot of nice things for people away from the track. He is also really good with kids at the track. He is a hard worker, and it takes a lot to run his own team. He has had what has to be a frustrating season. I think that got the best of him when he made his comments.
There have been more higher paying races this year, and that is good for everyone. I would think that drivers would try to grow it, instead of hold things back. Those types of baseless accusations don't help anything. They definitely don't help bring people into the sport, or make a car owner or sponsor step up to help Robert.
As far as Justin goes, I think he is just that good right now, and his confidence is through the roof. He is a guy who works on his stuff, and really understands his car. Running 3 divisions on both dirt and pavement helps him. I think running Silver Crown helps with conserving tires, and keeping the car straight. He has more to lose than to gain by cheating.

Kart#51 10/14/23 9:51 PM

If you “sniff” around you might find the answer.

yeleyfan76 10/14/23 10:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk (Post 569205)
He has more to lose than to gain by cheating.

Agreed if you believe the governing body treats all of its competitors equally. I for one do not so your statement doesn’t work for me. Some believe it’s a level playing field others do not. We move forward and keep on racing.

BrentTFunk 10/15/23 6:01 PM

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Dq

flagboy55 10/15/23 8:48 PM

And thankfully we will take your advice my friend and keep racing. In the world we live in I’ve become skeptical of just about everything. But after the tiregate earlier, and the attention it brought, you would have to be completely corrupt to allow any sort of foul play. I’ve been wrong before, and quite sure I will be again, but I can’t believe any hijinx are playing out now.

BrentTFunk 10/17/23 3:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76 (Post 569256)
Agreed if you believe the governing body treats all of its competitors equally. I for one do not so your statement doesn’t work for me. Some believe it’s a level playing field others do not. We move forward and keep on racing.

It is funny, as you are the only one who seems to think this over and over. Who are these other non believers? Anybody can make baseless accusations. That in no way makes them facts. I spoke to 4 drivers, 2 car owners, 1 promoter, 1 ex promoter, and 2 media members, and they all agreed on one thing. People like you like to stir things up because, you are jealous of people who are more successful than you.
It really is pathetic and is like a spoiled child. I wish you could find something to do that actually makes you happy. I doubt that thing exists. You seem okay with being miserable and try to make the world miserable with you. Either that or you think you are far more intelligent than everyone else. Which obviously you are not.
Do you remember when Robert was accused of having a big motor? Someone filed a protest, and officials proved him to have one smaller than some of his competitors. That is how you get things done.
I hope you find something to make you happy. I am sure you will come back with the same old recycled garbage. You will do everything , but produce facts.

yeleyfan76 10/18/23 9:14 AM

We were asked not to do this name calling stuff back and forth on the board anymore by another member on one of the previous posts. I have complied. Take a nap, you sound tired and now childish.
I am not the one who started the feelings of distrust here with Usac. They brought that on themselves.

flagboy55 10/18/23 6:37 PM

I have to interject in this exchange. Ironically I consider both 76 and Brent good friends. Not to get into ********, so I will try to avoid direct comparisons, but if you’re paying attention, you will notice that we’ve been lied to about things that affect all of us, not just us who come together here as race fan’s. Do I think a race series could be bought, I side with 76 and say yes. Do I think they have, I side with Brent and say no. We will never know. It’s hard to bite the hand that feeds. Considering the question that started this and the sponsor involved, I don’t think it’s out of the question to question it. I happen to believe in the integrity of someone in the club that it wouldn’t happen. In 76’s defense, he’s planning on driving to Oklahoma from Pennsylvania to watch the final weekend, how many other’s can say that?

Twister17 10/18/23 10:45 PM

Let me just settle this thread once and for all since nobody on here likes facts. Ballou hasn’t won a Usac race this year. I’m not sure if his +/- this year is garnering him a passing master. The obvious conclusion is everyone else is cheating.

Stevensville Mike 10/19/23 8:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twister17 (Post 569348)
Let me just settle this thread once and for all since nobody on here likes facts. Ballou hasn’t won a Usac race this year. I’m not sure if his +/- this year is garnering him a passing master. The obvious conclusion is everyone else is cheating.

Some settlement. This surely pleases all the Ballou fans.

Now you know why we have lawyers. :)

deadhorse30 10/19/23 11:33 AM

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I don't know why everyone is bagging on Ballou. Didn't Grant get DQ'd last year for tires? Grant is killing them right now and he's skeptical, I get it.

Coach 10/19/23 11:39 AM

It’s absolutely amazing to me that someone that doesn’t trust a racing sanctioning body would travel halfway across the country to watch that sanctioning body conduct races, must have more money than he knows what to do with. Just doesn’t make any sense

Charles Nungester 10/19/23 11:48 AM

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While I admit I think there's tons of money flying around (Motor Builders, Tire Brands, Shock makers) To keep their product legal or exclusive.

I got no reason to believe or think that one competitor is treated better than another.. I've seen em tech top three dozens of times and they certainly do it on larger payout races.

That being said. It still goes to Grant having a lot more to lose than gain by cheating Points lead, champ payout, not to mention the 20k win etc. Grants won in everything he's raced at Burg and Kokomo. At least at them two tracks. The driver has a ton to do with it. Tmez as well at burg.

yeleyfan76 10/19/23 2:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 569355)
It’s absolutely amazing to me that someone that doesn’t trust a racing sanctioning body would travel halfway across the country to watch that sanctioning body conduct races, must have more money than he knows what to do with. Just doesn’t make any sense

Thank you for your input sir. This point has been discussed before and maybe you didn’t know what was said. I don’t go to any of the races for Usac. I’ve stated before that the product on the track is what I go for. The race teams and fans from other areas that I have met along the way. Unfortunately for me Usac is my only viable option for Non Wing sprint cars. I supported Extreme last year as well in hopes that there would be more Non Wing sprint car racing across the country. It didn’t work out.
Your are now the second person to have evaluated me regarding my psyche and now my wealth. Who would have thought based on your statement and Dr Funk’s analysis that you guys would be so so worried about an individual from Pa whom you have never met and really don’t know. Robert Ballou made a statement after the race. Some agree with him and most others don’t. I appreciate all of this unwanted concern for me but I’m gonna be ok.
It’s sad but with all of the time and energy you two spent analyzing me you could have possibly brokered a deal between the OConners and a streaming service to offer a PPV option to see Dave Darlands final race. Something I’ll bet many fans across the country would have paid for if they weren’t able to attend. I would have jumped to the front of the line to congratulate you both. Sadly instead you chose the route to come after me. I wish I knew all the type people who could do it but I don’t. Congrats to Dave on a great career. If had all of the wealth I’m accused of maybe I could afford to go out and come home before leaving for Okla. I’m not so I can’t. 🤷*♂️
Please for your sake and mine worry about your plate and let me worry about my plate. Thanks again for the concern.

Coach 10/19/23 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76 (Post 569358)
Thank you for your input sir. This point has been discussed before and maybe you didn’t know what was said. I don’t go to any of the races for Usac. I’ve stated before that the product on the track is what I go for. The race teams and fans from other areas that I have met along the way. Unfortunately for me Usac is my only viable option for Non Wing sprint cars. I supported Extreme last year as well in hopes that there would be more Non Wing sprint car racing across the country. It didn’t work out.
Your are now the second person to have evaluated me regarding my psyche and now my wealth. Who would have thought based on your statement and Dr Funk’s analysis that you guys would be so so worried about an individual from Pa whom you have never met and really don’t know. Robert Ballou made a statement after the race. Some agree with him and most others don’t. I appreciate all of this unwanted concern for me but I’m gonna be ok.
It’s sad but with all of the time and energy you two spent analyzing me you could have possibly brokered a deal between the OConners and a streaming service to offer a PPV option to see Dave Darlands final race. Something I’ll bet many fans across the country would have paid for if they weren’t able to attend. I would have jumped to the front of the line to congratulate you both. Sadly instead you chose the route to come after me. I wish I knew all the type people who could do it but I don’t. Congrats to Dave on a great career. If had all of the wealth I’m accused of maybe I could afford to go out and come home before leaving for Okla. I’m not so I can’t. 🤷*♂️
Please for your sake and mine worry about your plate and let me worry about my plate. Thanks again for the concern.

No problem on the input, I’m not coming after you, it just doesn’t make any sense to me. Hope you have fun

jdull99 10/20/23 12:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76 (Post 569358)
Thank you for your input sir. This point has been discussed before and maybe you didn’t know what was said. I don’t go to any of the races for Usac. I’ve stated before that the product on the track is what I go for. The race teams and fans from other areas that I have met along the way. Unfortunately for me Usac is my only viable option for Non Wing sprint cars. I supported Extreme last year as well in hopes that there would be more Non Wing sprint car racing across the country. It didn’t work out.
Your are now the second person to have evaluated me regarding my psyche and now my wealth. Who would have thought based on your statement and Dr Funk’s analysis that you guys would be so so worried about an individual from Pa whom you have never met and really don’t know. Robert Ballou made a statement after the race. Some agree with him and most others don’t. I appreciate all of this unwanted concern for me but I’m gonna be ok.
It’s sad but with all of the time and energy you two spent analyzing me you could have possibly brokered a deal between the OConners and a streaming service to offer a PPV option to see Dave Darlands final race. Something I’ll bet many fans across the country would have paid for if they weren’t able to attend. I would have jumped to the front of the line to congratulate you both. Sadly instead you chose the route to come after me. I wish I knew all the type people who could do it but I don’t. Congrats to Dave on a great career. If had all of the wealth I’m accused of maybe I could afford to go out and come home before leaving for Okla. I’m not so I can’t. ��*♂️
Please for your sake and mine worry about your plate and let me worry about my plate. Thanks again for the concern.

I'm not picking sides...but this reply literally made me LOL (as in, it was great! Again, I'm not picking sides though). The biggest thing all series should be checking for is tire "prep" and traction control though (I'm not saying anyone has it, I'm just saying they all should check for it).

flagboy55 10/20/23 6:25 AM

Ding ding ding, Jason hit the nail squarely on the head. Every sanction body should be aggressively and transparently checking these things, especially traction control, something that goes against the soul of dirt track racing. I personally don’t think this is happening and I’ll tell you why I think that. I’ve never been to PRI, but I’m told you can go there and see plenty of companies selling this product. If there wasn’t money in it there wouldn’t be booth’s at the big industry show. If I’m wrong, please correct me

Joekocjan 10/20/23 8:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jdull99 (Post 569366)
I'm not picking sides...but this reply literally made me LOL (as in, it was great! Again, I'm not picking sides though). The biggest thing all series should be checking for is tire "prep" and traction control though (I'm not saying anyone has it, I'm just saying they all should check for it).

Joe from RMS. USAC took our ignition box, pumped our engine, and took tire samples (which were bought at the track each day) all three nights at the BC. At minimum after every race they take tire samples and check the ignition boxes for at least the winner.

leftrear 10/20/23 10:09 AM

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No amount of reasoning will satisfy a conspiracy theorist. They are always smarter than everyone else!

BrentTFunk 10/20/23 2:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76 (Post 569358)
Thank you for your input sir. This point has been discussed before and maybe you didn’t know what was said. I don’t go to any of the races for Usac. I’ve stated before that the product on the track is what I go for. The race teams and fans from other areas that I have met along the way. Unfortunately for me Usac is my only viable option for Non Wing sprint cars. I supported Extreme last year as well in hopes that there would be more Non Wing sprint car racing across the country. It didn’t work out.
Your are now the second person to have evaluated me regarding my psyche and now my wealth. Who would have thought based on your statement and Dr Funk’s analysis that you guys would be so so worried about an individual from Pa whom you have never met and really don’t know. Robert Ballou made a statement after the race. Some agree with him and most others don’t. I appreciate all of this unwanted concern for me but I’m gonna be ok.
It’s sad but with all of the time and energy you two spent analyzing me you could have possibly brokered a deal between the OConners and a streaming service to offer a PPV option to see Dave Darlands final race. Something I’ll bet many fans across the country would have paid for if they weren’t able to attend. I would have jumped to the front of the line to congratulate you both. Sadly instead you chose the route to come after me. I wish I knew all the type people who could do it but I don’t. Congrats to Dave on a great career. If had all of the wealth I’m accused of maybe I could afford to go out and come home before leaving for Okla. I’m not so I can’t. 🤷*♂️
Please for your sake and mine worry about your plate and let me worry about my plate. Thanks again for the concern.

How would a fan broker a deal between a track and a streaming service at this late of a date? I think if the parties involved thought it would be profitable, they would have done it. I really hope you have fun in Oklahoma. I am on the fence being able to go. I have some obligations that Friday that I need to honor.
The reason you are going is because USAC offers best paying and best run programs. They get quality cars and should get decent local support. I am glad to that have worked to get into new areas, and have brought in good sponsors to keep the racers going. They have a pretty good field of teams hitting all the races.
As a guy who saw Dave when he started I hope it is a good safe night. I still remember him beating Bobby Kinser for his first win. I was also at his most recent win.

yeleyfan76 10/22/23 7:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk (Post 569383)
How would a fan broker a deal between a track and a streaming service at this late of a date? I think if the parties involved thought it would be profitable, they would have done it. I really hope you have fun in Oklahoma. I am on the fence being able to go. I have some obligations that Friday that I need to honor.
The reason you are going is because USAC offers best paying and best run programs. They get quality cars and should get decent local support. I am glad to that have worked to get into new areas, and have brought in good sponsors to keep the racers going. They have a pretty good field of teams hitting all the races.
As a guy who saw Dave when he started I hope it is a good safe night. I still remember him beating Bobby Kinser for his first win. I was also at his most recent win.

Actually Brent I was thinking it would be you. You boast about all of the people you know. You tell everyone all of the things you accomplished. You are it!! You are a Kokomo guy. You saw Dave’s first win! You should have been the one to handle brokering a deal. I guess you are only a just guy who goes to the races and have opinions that differ from me. Oh well. Travel safe if you go to Oklahoma.

Charles Nungester 10/22/23 9:36 PM

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make it stop, make it stop, make it stop, :15:

captrat 10/22/23 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76 (Post 569437)
Actually Brent I was thinking it would be you. You boast about all of the people you know. You tell everyone all of the things you accomplished. You are it!! You are a Kokomo guy. You saw Dave’s first win! You should have been the one to handle brokering a deal. I guess you are only a just guy who goes to the races and have opinions that differ from me. Oh well. Travel safe if you go to Oklahoma.

Please move to Hoseheads. Your history of personal vitriol is better suited there. If you do not want to move then try to respond in an unemotional coherent way on future posts. The empirical evidence of your posts is evidence. Stir the pot elsewhere..

revjimk 10/23/23 12:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by captrat (Post 569444)
Please move to Hoseheads. Your history of personal vitriol is better suited there. If you do not want to move then try to respond in an unemotional coherent way on future posts. The empirical evidence of your posts is evidence. Stir the pot elsewhere..

I think its pretty funny ;)
I have no position in this argument...
I'm a friend of Professor Funk, & I know he's a Ballou fan. He usually sides with USAC tho
If Ballou's accusations were more specific, I might have an opinion :3:

Midget98 10/23/23 11:13 AM

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A real quick way to make all of this go away is just to let people do whatever they want with their tires. We already know that Hoosier doesn't really care about the quality of their product. Why should they? If you want to race, you have to buy from them. Also, the "little guy" might be able to make a take-off tire actually work a little better. Just let people cut, sipe, soak, or whatever they want. If their tire only lasts 8 laps, fine. If they find some magical formula to let it grip better and still make a whole feature, great. Secrets don't stay secrets very long in the racing world, so any advantage will be short lived. Some will say, "What about the cost?" Well, let's put this in perspective. The cost of racing is immense even before you add in the half million dollar haulers. The cost of tires, while not negligable, is nothing in comparison to what it costs just to field a car and get it to the track. If you're really that concerned with tire costs, you put a one right rear per night rule in and let people do whatever they want with that one right rear. Let's put this whole tire testing garbage to bed and just open it up. I hate the Hoosier monopoly and always have, but if you have to run their junk, let people try to make them a little better.

revjimk 10/23/23 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Midget98 (Post 569450)
A real quick way to make all of this go away is just to let people do whatever they want with their tires. We already know that Hoosier doesn't really care about the quality of their product. Why should they? If you want to race, you have to buy from them. Also, the "little guy" might be able to make a take-off tire actually work a little better. Just let people cut, sipe, soak, or whatever they want. If their tire only lasts 8 laps, fine. If they find some magical formula to let it grip better and still make a whole feature, great. Secrets don't stay secrets very long in the racing world, so any advantage will be short lived. Some will say, "What about the cost?" Well, let's put this in perspective. The cost of racing is immense even before you add in the half million dollar haulers. The cost of tires, while not negligable, is nothing in comparison to what it costs just to field a car and get it to the track. If you're really that concerned with tire costs, you put a one right rear per night rule in and let people do whatever they want with that one right rear. Let's put this whole tire testing garbage to bed and just open it up. I hate the Hoosier monopoly and always have, but if you have to run their junk, let people try to make them a little better.

Sounds reasonable to me, but I don't know diddley about sprint car tires....

ossuks 10/23/23 11:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revjimk (Post 569452)
Sounds reasonable to me, but I don't know diddley about sprint car tires....

Add $325 per tire for the super soaker in southern Indiana to your tire bill! Not $325 total, that is the cost when you deliver your tire.

kinser 10/24/23 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midget98 (Post 569450)
A real quick way to make all of this go away is just to let people do whatever they want with their tires. We already know that Hoosier doesn't really care about the quality of their product. Why should they? If you want to race, you have to buy from them. Also, the "little guy" might be able to make a take-off tire actually work a little better. Just let people cut, sipe, soak, or whatever they want. If their tire only lasts 8 laps, fine. If they find some magical formula to let it grip better and still make a whole feature, great. Secrets don't stay secrets very long in the racing world, so any advantage will be short lived. Some will say, "What about the cost?" Well, let's put this in perspective. The cost of racing is immense even before you add in the half million dollar haulers. The cost of tires, while not negligable, is nothing in comparison to what it costs just to field a car and get it to the track. If you're really that concerned with tire costs, you put a one right rear per night rule in and let people do whatever they want with that one right rear. Let's put this whole tire testing garbage to bed and just open it up. I hate the Hoosier monopoly and always have, but if you have to run their junk, let people try to make them a little better.

I can’t get the pic to upload or I’d show you what everyone is paying too dollar to Hoosier for. Brand new right rear tire and it’s 2” smaller on the inside of the tread than it is on the outside of the tread. Brand new and junk.

Blackduce 10/24/23 9:44 AM

Where is American Racer or McCleary when we need them. Serious, those tires made things alot of fun. I think rr was $145. Why does this not return?
Lynn


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