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Carson Macedo's crash at Knoxville tonight was horrible. I pray for Carson, his family, team, officials, and everyone involved. Thoughts and prayers go out to you all.

Sweet, Bayston, & Gio showed how professional they are in trying to help get Carson out of the inferno. Way to represent racing in such a professional manor gentlemen.

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Knoxville Raceway has posted that Carson was able to walk to the ambulance WITH ASSISTANCE but was being transported for further evaluation.

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The latest report that I saw was that Carson Macedo has been released from the hospital.

I rode out from Cincinnati. I went to fridays show and planned on Saturday but the forecast looked like rain so I left Saturday at noon so I didn’t see his crash.
Did the fire suppression system not work?
I saw that he was released this morning so that’s great.

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If you watch the crash, there appears to be a fire suppression bottle that is thrown from the car as it flipped. You can see it going off on the ground behind the car as the fire ignited.

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I saw a post from Jason Johnson Racing saying "...he was released and did walk out of the hospital early this morning." So, it looks like the Nomex must have done it's job.

Jerry

Burn on his neck, bruises and a fractured rib. He tweeted a little while ago with thanks and said time to strap back in and go fast again

Glad Carson is okay, but this new on board fire system is not the answer in this situation. Thankfully Knoxville has a great safety crew.

Originally Posted by PIT CART:
Glad Carson is okay, but this new on board fire system is not the answer in this situation. Thankfully Knoxville has a great safety crew.

PIT CART,

You're spot on. If not for the Knoxville safety team, this could have been a major disaster. Look how quickly and how many safety workers responded to the accident. How many other tracks could do what these responders did? This should be a wakeup call for all tracks. Study this video and learn! Thank you Knoxville team and the fellow drivers that responded.

Even with the great Knoxville safety crew, there seems to have been issues getting him out of the car. No one seemed to have anything to cut the belts with. Hopefully that is something they improve upon. This year has been awful with accidents that could have had a lot worse outcomes than they did.

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Yes, great safety crew!

But why & the HECK did they make him walk that far to ambulance???

Should show this video to all racers who wana wear two piece fire suits and not any nomex underwear...

...Maybe they should Ad more body panels to these cars...NOT

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Originally Posted by Grocery Guy:
PIT CART,

You're spot on. If not for the Knoxville safety team, this could have been a major disaster. Look how quickly and how many safety workers responded to the accident. How many other tracks could do what these responders did? This should be a wakeup call for all tracks. Study this video and learn! Thank you Knoxville team and the fellow drivers that responded.

When the world of Outlaws required the fire extinguisher on board, I made the comment else someplace else. that if they were concerned about the safety and were requiring the fire extinguisher. that they should also look at themselves. and get a traveling safety team and fire crew. like Knoxville or Medstar to my surprise, Got. my ass ripped. I was even told by one person. Why I expected the world of outlaws to have to come up with $1,000,000 to have a team like that travel with them. Now, just imagine if that would have happened last night at a track other than Knoxville. Where the corner workers were dressed in T shirts and shorts and had a 5 pound fire extinguisher. What a disaster it would have been. Instead of talking about a driver with minor burns on his neck, bruises and a broken rib. we probably would have been talking about the death of another driver in a terrible fire. I think it's high time the world of Outlaws. have a traveling safety team, fire crew with them at every race track. They go to. just for something like we've seen last night. usac. And the All Stars should have the same thing. Their driver's safety should be their number one concern. For everyone that thinks this is ridiculous. Ask Ask the drivers that went into that fire. To get Carson out. ask them if it's ridiculous to have a good safety team and fire crew. traveling with them. Ask them if they would like somebody like Medstar or Knoxville's team. See what they say. Somebody in T shirts or shorts with a 5 pound fire extinguisher. or someone in fire suits. and fire equipment that can put a fire out and save a driver's life. Do you wanna Rap my ass now? If you do find the video of last night and watch it a few times, Then think about it. Glen Murra

Originally Posted by ginblueearth:
When the world of Outlaws required the fire extinguisher on board, I made the comment else someplace else. that if they were concerned about the safety and were requiring the fire extinguisher. that they should also look at themselves. and get a traveling safety team and fire crew. like Knoxville or Medstar to my surprise, Got. my ass ripped. I was even told by one person. Why I expected the world of outlaws to have to come up with $1,000,000 to have a team like that travel with them. Now, just imagine if that would have happened last night at a track other than Knoxville. Where the corner workers were dressed in T shirts and shorts and had a 5 pound fire extinguisher. What a disaster it would have been. Instead of talking about a driver with minor burns on his neck, bruises and a broken rib. we probably would have been talking about the death of another driver in a terrible fire. I think it's high time the world of Outlaws. have a traveling safety team, fire crew with them at every race track. They go to. just for something like we've seen last night. usac. And the All Stars should have the same thing. Their driver's safety should be their number one concern. For everyone that thinks this is ridiculous. Ask Ask the drivers that went into that fire. To get Carson out. ask them if it's ridiculous to have a good safety team and fire crew. traveling with them. Ask them if they would like somebody like Medstar or Knoxville's team. See what they say. Somebody in T shirts or shorts with a 5 pound fire extinguisher. or someone in fire suits. and fire equipment that can put a fire out and save a driver's life. Do you wanna Rap my ass now? If you do find the video of last night and watch it a few times, Then think about it. Glen Murra

To your defense...I personally and members of my family and friends have been rescued by KPD, Howard County Sheriff Department, Galveston Volunteer Fire Department, etc. Although I appreciate and respect first responders, when it comes to racing the best example I see personally in person is The Lawrenceburg Fire and Safety Crew.

They travel to many many races in Indiana. They do an excellent job and I agree with a traveling safety crew. It does appear to help. Glad Carson is still alive, walking, and talking bc it sure as h*** could have been alot worse.

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Originally Posted by Grocery Guy:
PIT CART,

You're spot on. If not for the Knoxville safety team, this could have been a major disaster. Look how quickly and how many safety workers responded to the accident. How many other tracks could do what these responders did? This should be a wakeup call for all tracks. Study this video and learn! Thank you Knoxville team and the fellow drivers that responded.

They were saying the same thing 31 years ago......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8nOVrsHMTA

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Originally Posted by ginblueearth:
When the world of Outlaws required the fire extinguisher on board, I made the comment else someplace else. that if they were concerned about the safety and were requiring the fire extinguisher. that they should also look at themselves. and get a traveling safety team and fire crew. like Knoxville or Medstar to my surprise, Got. my ass ripped. I was even told by one person. Why I expected the world of outlaws to have to come up with $1,000,000 to have a team like that travel with them. Now, just imagine if that would have happened last night at a track other than Knoxville. Where the corner workers were dressed in T shirts and shorts and had a 5 pound fire extinguisher. What a disaster it would have been. Instead of talking about a driver with minor burns on his neck, bruises and a broken rib. we probably would have been talking about the death of another driver in a terrible fire. I think it's high time the world of Outlaws. have a traveling safety team, fire crew with them at every race track. They go to. just for something like we've seen last night. usac. And the All Stars should have the same thing. Their driver's safety should be their number one concern. For everyone that thinks this is ridiculous. Ask Ask the drivers that went into that fire. To get Carson out. ask them if it's ridiculous to have a good safety team and fire crew. traveling with them. Ask them if they would like somebody like Medstar or Knoxville's team. See what they say. Somebody in T shirts or shorts with a 5 pound fire extinguisher. or someone in fire suits. and fire equipment that can put a fire out and save a driver's life. Do you wanna Rap my ass now? If you do find the video of last night and watch it a few times, Then think about it. Glen Murra

I am not going to argue the point because I believe the same thing that you do. There are way too many tracks where fire safety is a joke. However, are you willing to pay $5 to $10 dollars more per show to pay for the traveling fire protection crew?

While there are some shows that are repeated money makers, there are plenty of shows where the promoters loose money. If we are going to increase the cost to produce the shows, we need to realize that the cost has to be passed on to someone.

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Originally Posted by Grocery Guy:
PIT CART,

You're spot on. If not for the Knoxville safety team, this could have been a major disaster. Look how quickly and how many safety workers responded to the accident. How many other tracks could do what these responders did? This should be a wakeup call for all tracks. Study this video and learn! Thank you Knoxville team and the fellow drivers that responded.

Burg, But as we've seen, some things are beyond any safety teams ability. these guys train and train, actually use binoculars and visual to check that safety gear is on drivers, gas caps are on.

So when your in the stands *$(#&$ about how long they're on the track cleaning up etc. Just put yourself in the drivers seat and be thankful for em.

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Originally Posted by ginblueearth:
When the world of Outlaws required the fire extinguisher on board, I made the comment else someplace else. that if they were concerned about the safety and were requiring the fire extinguisher. that they should also look at themselves. and get a traveling safety team and fire crew. like Knoxville or Medstar to my surprise, Got. my ass ripped. I was even told by one person. Why I expected the world of outlaws to have to come up with $1,000,000 to have a team like that travel with them. Now, just imagine if that would have happened last night at a track other than Knoxville. Where the corner workers were dressed in T shirts and shorts and had a 5 pound fire extinguisher. What a disaster it would have been. Instead of talking about a driver with minor burns on his neck, bruises and a broken rib. we probably would have been talking about the death of another driver in a terrible fire. I think it's high time the world of Outlaws. have a traveling safety team, fire crew with them at every race track. They go to. just for something like we've seen last night. usac. And the All Stars should have the same thing. Their driver's safety should be their number one concern. For everyone that thinks this is ridiculous. Ask Ask the drivers that went into that fire. To get Carson out. ask them if it's ridiculous to have a good safety team and fire crew. traveling with them. Ask them if they would like somebody like Medstar or Knoxville's team. See what they say. Somebody in T shirts or shorts with a 5 pound fire extinguisher. or someone in fire suits. and fire equipment that can put a fire out and save a driver's life. Do you wanna Rap my ass now? If you do find the video of last night and watch it a few times, Then think about it. Glen Murra

This whole "traveling safety team" is a much more complex issue than most would comprehend. There is a lot of ******** involved. You have to take into consideration individual city, county and state requirements regarding training levels, licensing of those providing these services, fire-fighter union agreements, etc. Whatever level of training this traveling crew might have, may be acceptable in one county or state, but not in the next one they travel to.

Do you ever notice when you are at a race track that has a standby ambulance, and a driver gets injured and requires transportation to the hospital, the ambulance treats and loads the patient, and then retreats back to the infield to sit on their hands until the full fire department contingent arrives from the closest (or not so closest) neighboring town? That is all due to contractual obligations on who can and who can't.

I'm aware of at least one area of the country that requires any entity who provides EMS/Rescue service to have a physician medical director on staff. What physician would be licensed in multiple states to provide oversight to this traveling safety team?

As far as whether this team only provides fire fighting and extrication services and not actual patient care, there is an overlap involved in both services, and when the lawyers get involved in who did what, it will get interesting very quickly.

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I'll substitute the phrase "political action" for the deleted word.

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Originally Posted by dsc1600:
Even with the great Knoxville safety crew, there seems to have been issues getting him out of the car. No one seemed to have anything to cut the belts with. Hopefully that is something they improve upon. This year has been awful with accidents that could have had a lot worse outcomes than they did.

Saw a video from the infield after the fire was out. Had to be 20 members of the safety crew around the car. And not one could cut the belts, someone ran into the pits to get something. I couldn't believe they didn't have anything all EMT have one on their belt.

The biggest issue is the left side body panel that makes it impossible for anyone to reach in and release the belts. Cutting them off is not the answer.

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Originally Posted by cornerthree:
Saw a video from the infield after the fire was out. Had to be 20 members of the safety crew around the car. And not one could cut the belts, someone ran into the pits to get something. I couldn't believe they didn't have anything all EMT have one on their belt.

If you watch Sweet, he was making cutting motions with his hands while yelling.

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
I am not going to argue the point because I believe the same thing that you do. There are way too many tracks where fire safety is a joke. However, are you willing to pay $5 to $10 dollars more per show to pay for the traveling fire protection crew?

While there are some shows that are repeated money makers, there are plenty of shows where the promoters loose money. If we are going to increase the cost to produce the shows, we need to realize that the cost has to be passed on to someone.

Yes.

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Should not have to cut belts, but if you do, should have tool handy on all safety vehicles to do so if necessary.

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
Should not have to cut belts, but if you do, should have tool handy on all safety vehicles to do so if necessary.

Yeah, I can't understand why they couldn't get his harnesses undone. But they should have had something to cut the belts if that was the case. And I don't understand why nobody had that either. I find it interesting that. there's still naysayers about the traveling safety teams but at least I'm not getting my ass ripped as bad as I did before when I brought up the subject and not being told it would cost $1,000,000. by some Joker I certainly think sanctioning bodies like the World of Outlaws, All Stars or USAC. Can't afford to have a traveling safety team without raising the price of tickets. That's really sad when somebody brings up. It has to be this law, and it has to be that law. Is that more important than somebody's life? And I have seen the. safety team that travels with the IRA Sprint cars. I wonder if they have to jump through all these legal hoops that the gentleman. on here was talking about or if he's just full of BS. Sorry I put it that way, but that's what it appears to me. I know there are many. pit crew people out of the World of Outlaws. that are fed up with this But out of fear of reprisal from the World of Outlaws, Are basically keeping their mouth shut? It's truly sad that it has to be that way. After seeing what happened Saturday night. the outlaws should have somebody. ready to go before. they race this weekend. or at least if I was running the World of Outlaw Group I would certainly have somebody ready to go. I would not want the death of a driver on my conscience because I. did. Not have a safety team there to protect them. We'll see if they do anything. My guess is they won't. They'll just keep pocketing the money. And not worry about the safety of their drivers. Hopefully the owners and the drivers will stand up for their safety and do something about it. If they don't, they're fools. Glen Murra

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Originally Posted by ginblueearth:
Yeah, I can't understand why they couldn't get his harnesses undone. But they should have had something to cut the belts if that was the case. And I don't understand why nobody had that either. I find it interesting that. there's still naysayers about the traveling safety teams but at least I'm not getting my ass ripped as bad as I did before when I brought up the subject and not being told it would cost $1,000,000. by some Joker I certainly think sanctioning bodies like the World of Outlaws, All Stars or USAC. Can't afford to have a traveling safety team without raising the price of tickets. That's really sad when somebody brings up. It has to be this law, and it has to be that law. Is that more important than somebody's life? And I have seen the. safety team that travels with the IRA Sprint cars. I wonder if they have to jump through all these legal hoops that the gentleman. on here was talking about or if he's just full of BS. Sorry I put it that way, but that's what it appears to me. I know there are many. pit crew people out of the World of Outlaws. that are fed up with this But out of fear of reprisal from the World of Outlaws, Are basically keeping their mouth shut? It's truly sad that it has to be that way. After seeing what happened Saturday night. the outlaws should have somebody. ready to go before. they race this weekend. or at least if I was running the World of Outlaw Group I would certainly have somebody ready to go. I would not want the death of a driver on my conscience because I. did. Not have a safety team there to protect them. We'll see if they do anything. My guess is they won't. They'll just keep pocketing the money. And not worry about the safety of their drivers. Hopefully the owners and the drivers will stand up for their safety and do something about it. If they don't, they're fools. Glen Murra

You know they could easily meat in the middle. WOO and ALL Stars both have traveling officials that utilize SxS or 4 wheelers. I watch more all stars than WOO, but those officials are in what appears to be fire suites (I'm sure they are the lowest level). I think you could have a custom box on a sxs with some tools in it. Probably mount 2 large water fire extinguishers on there. If you go back and watch the video there is a sxs from the infield at the car before the field stops rolling (not sure if that was WOO or Track equipment). Reaction time was good.

Now on the bad side of things. The safety side is much more than just having a trained team. That team comes with alot of liability. You have to remember series like WOO run over 80 nights per year. When talking about travel you can easily double that number. once you commit to having a team like that, you have to fully staff it with trained team members.

I don’t know what the answers are, but like plenty of you have brought up, and implied by 767 in the last post, lawyers are probably part of the reason why this has not already been addressed

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It all comes down to what are the requirements to get insurance coverage. When I worked with ARDC we raced at a few tracks in the south. At one track I was told that we could run our warmup/practice after one of their late model divisions. When I noted I did not see an ambulance or fire truck at the track I was informed they were not required until the races began. When I asked about what were the late model doing running at speed I was told they were "practicing, not racing." Needless to say we did not "practice" or race until the required equipment was present. If I remember correctly a USAC Eastern Storm event was delayed until an EMT that was certified to perform a certain task was present, I am not sure if I am 100% correct on that, but I kind of recall something like that happening. Many have expressed that thank goodness that this accident happened at Knoxville and not at some other track. Could the speed the cars reach at Knoxville and not at other track have any influence on how the event unfolded. The State Police regulate racing in New Jersey. You can bet that this issue with the fire bottle becoming dislodged is being looked at by NJSP.

Saw a post that implied Carson will be back in the saddle this weekend. Has anyone else heard this? Absolutely wonderful news if true

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If the fire is too hot to undo the belts, its too hot to reach in and start cutting. Have YOU ever tried to undo someone's belts while standing in fire? Listen to what Sweet said, it was just too hot.... Besides, do you want someone that is on fire reaching around your groin area trying to snip things real fast??? I think not!!!!

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
Saw a post that implied Carson will be back in the saddle this weekend. Has anyone else heard this? Absolutely wonderful news if true

There was a picture on Twitter with him at the shop with his helmet on. It gave some vague comment that he was getting ready to come back. It was on the Jason Johnson Racing Twitter feed.

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Ok so if the belts would not come loose, why would that be? Only time I have trouble getting someone out was when there car was upside down. Once we righted the car, the belts came right loose. His car ended up on its wheels.