Why don't Non Wing Drivers race Wing
 

At tri-state tonight for the outlaws i was expecting to see a couple non wing guys pop a wing on a track theyre familiar with and on their home turf. But aside from Brady Bacon no one else puts a wing on. why is that. But these same people do weekly shows that pay $1,500 - $2,000. Do they feel that they dont have a chance or what is it? Just making the feature pays what 3rd or 4th place would pay at a weekly show.

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Uh, Mmmmmm, forget it.

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Arent they at Granite City tonight?

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Why don't wing drivers race non wing?

Originally Posted by Vookie:
Why don't wing drivers race non wing?

Lack of purse $$$.

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Originally Posted by Vookie:
Why don't wing drivers race non wing?

not worth their time for $1500 or $2000. every week theres a winged race that pays At least $6000. (All Stars, PA or Woo)

Originally Posted by racefan20:
Arent they at Granite City tonight?

That’s what the schedule says
April 28 Granite City
April 29 Haubstadt

One big area we don't think about. It is called engine expense. Running a wing takes a very strong engine. And longevity of wing engine life is shortened. I have seen wing racers with many engines in the trailers. Ran my son doing both for 4 years. A half mile with a wing, engine life is expensive.
Lynn

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Really good top 10 run for Brady last night against a loaded World of Outlaw field

Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
At haubstadt tonight for the outlaws i was expecting to see a couple non wing guys pop a wing on a track theyre familiar with and on their home turf. But aside from Brady Bacon no one else puts a wing on. why is that. But these same people do weekly shows that pay $1,500 - $2,000. Do they feel that they dont have a chance or what is it? Just making the feature pays what 3rd or 4th place would pay at a weekly show.

Much more complicated and expensive than just mounting a wing. For example Bacon has a completely separate car for wing racing.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfan:
Lack of purse $$$.

Let's see how many try the for the $30,000 to win at the Smackdown.

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WoO different deal in many ways -- but once again All Star and USAC purses are nearly the same

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Id bet Bacon broke even on cost and made his $$ on the merch trailer. That's running tenth.

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Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
not worth their time for $1500 or $2000. every week theres a winged race that pays At least $6000. (All Stars, PA or Woo)

I guess my sense of humor doesn't translate well in the written form. :deadhorse:

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Id bet Bacon broke even on cost and made his $$ on the merch trailer. That's running tenth.

Brady wasn't allowed to have his trailer on WoO merchandise row. For that matter neither was Sunshine, Hunter Percent, and many other non-WoO racers.

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Because engine, car set up, driving style are all different.

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The defenders of the payout at the Chili Bowl tell us it's about the trophy but when it comes to sprint cars it's about the money not the trophy. :34:

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In reality sprint cars are specialized. Wing, non-wing, dirt, pavement, 305, 360, 410, steel block, crate. That unfortunately is how it is.

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
Brady wasn't allowed to have his trailer on WoO merchandise row. For that matter neither was Sunshine, Hunter Percent, and many other non-WoO racers.

Well that blows.

Mopar Million. Great show and we led alot of laps before the red. But 2 wing cars with non wings took home all the marbles.
Lynn

The defending usac sprint champ is going to put the wing on and run at haubstadt tonight according to twitter.

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Originally Posted by reeserx:
The defending usac sprint champ is going to put the wing on and run at haubstadt tonight according to twitter.

Finished tenth last night and not sure I think 15th with Hight Limit Tuesday.
He was allowed his T shirt trailer at High Limit.

Go bacon 🥓. God bless America. Have fun tonight guys. Thanks ☺️ ❤️

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Finished tenth last night and not sure I think 15th with Hight Limit Tuesday.
He was allowed his T shirt trailer at High Limit.

Justin Grant wasn't at Tri-City last night but will be at Haubstadt tonight.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Finished tenth last night and not sure I think 15th with Hight Limit Tuesday.
He was allowed his T shirt trailer at High Limit.

The defending usac champ is Justin grant, not bacon.

Originally Posted by Blackduce:
Mopar Million. Great show and we led alot of laps before the red. But 2 wing cars with non wings took home all the marbles.
Lynn

And it was the first time that the second place driver had ever ran without a wing.

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They both stuck it where it was almost impossible. Dickie was running about ten feet off the wall and they put it between him and the wall, Dickie said to me, I wish someone was waving me to go higher. But that's where the car was working best. If I hadn't giv'em the room, They possibly would have never got by me.

He still had a grin as big as ever a half hour after the race. A hundred K for third!

Stevie and Steve Sr. Were the talk of the pits. Went over to their pit for a while and just listened. steve ran it wing style and then lowered the rear a bit. Both Him and Jac were on Goodyears. Anyway, Stevie said we usually run good here and I drove it the same, straight as possible. .

[QUOTE=Blackduce;563970]Mopar Million. Great show and we led alot of laps before the red. But 2 wing cars with non wings took home all the marbles.

How is this one off related to this thread?

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Originally Posted by Blackduce:
Mopar Million. Great show and we led alot of laps before the red. But 2 wing cars with non wings took home all the marbles.
Lynn

Actually Jac ran a lot without a wing. Wasn't like it was first time. Saw him win in the Vance car at Eldora with USAC. Had a picture of him that day on the cover of Open Wheel magazine. In the article he was said he enjoyed non wing more. Remember him years later running the 3 day national open at Terre Haute. Told me he would love to have a ride for Salem the next day.

My guess is cost. Racers will race anything if you let them. Chase Stocken put a wing on a few years ago and got denied because the lower frame rails of his car did not meet current wing car tech. Other reasons there is no longer such thing as slapping a wing on
is setup and motor. Wing motor power band is not the same as a normal sprint car. Me
personally, I wouldn’t want the brutal wear and tear of a wing race on my equipment.

I think that was Stevie Smiths first time in a non-winged car.

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It's a lot different than just putting a wing on a car. Front Axle is shorter on a winged car, both run different birdcages, completely different setup and winged cars have thicker bottom rails, just to name a few items, the list goes on just a few big key factors. Also the engine is setup different for winged cars.
Also some drivers probably just don't care for winged racing. I started out winged racing, ran without the wing and never wanted to run a wing since. I have a few times since then, but in reality, I never really want to run a winged race again. I'd consider it if someone put me in a car, but still don't know if i'd want to.

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Well, I guess Bacon just showed 'em! :22:
I saw him win a wing race several years ago at Pa. Speedweek, at Path valley, which is a small 1/4 mile. I figured he was gonna win that one cause he's a short track guy compared to most Pa. wingers....

Actually quite a few former non-wing guys are running wings now. Do your homework. The rest only have non-wing cars available. As for the Stevie Smith discussion, impressive but the track was also the most hard slick I’d ever seen it. The Lap times were really slow. When it’s like that Eldora isn’t that hard to drive. They were not running on the wall either. They were running through the middle of the track.

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I think people need to be realistic with expectations. When the top wingless drivers recently decided to go full time winged racing, they all took their lumps. BC, SunShine, Windom all took more than there share of lumps to go winged racing. It was a lot of B mains and DNQ's for a while before they started to have consistent success. To think that converting from one to another discipline is easy is not correct.

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Sunshine took to it like a duck to water. I mean Kings Royal and two All Star championships within first three years.. Didn't he win Silver cup too?

Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
Actually quite a few former non-wing guys are running wings now. Do your homework. The rest only have non-wing cars available. As for the Stevie Smith discussion, impressive but the track was also the most hard slick I’d ever seen it. The Lap times were really slow. When it’s like that Eldora isn’t that hard to drive. They were not running on the wall either. They were running through the middle of the track.

They were running the wall in 1&2 and the middle in 3&4. Jac banged the wall coming off of 2 and broke the ladder with just a few laps to go, that’s why Stevie caught him at the end.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
They both stuck it where it was almost impossible. Dickie was running about ten feet off the wall and they put it between him and the wall, Dickie said to me, I wish someone was waving me to go higher. But that's where the car was working best. If I hadn't giv'em the room, They possibly would have never got by me.

He still had a grin as big as ever a half hour after the race. A hundred K for third!

Stevie and Steve Sr. Were the talk of the pits. Went over to their pit for a while and just listened. steve ran it wing style and then lowered the rear a bit. Both Him and Jac were on Goodyears. Anyway, Stevie said we usually run good here and I drove it the same, straight as possible. .

Stevie was on Goodyears and Jac was on Hoosiers.

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Originally Posted by kinser:
Stevie was on Goodyears and Jac was on Hoosiers.

Thank you!

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and years one and two???