ELDORA SPEEDWAY - 2023 - $1 MILLION To Win Wing Sprints. $$$
 

ELDORA SPEEDWAY
ROSSBURG, OHIO

Now it's the Wing Sprint Cars to race for a MILLION.

2023 - $1 Million To Win Wing Sprints

$1,002,023 to win. $1.4 Million total purse

https://www.eldoraspeedway.com/2022/...d-sprint-cars/

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So do WoO give a exemption for this or include it in their four allowed?

The unsanctioned event, which features a winner’s purse of $1,002,023 from a total purse of $1.4 million, is a cooperative effort with the speedway’s official livestream partner, FloSports, a leader in sports streaming and original content, which will provide exclusive live streaming of the event.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So do WoO give a exemption for this or include it in their four allowed?

The unsanctioned event, which features a winner’s purse of $1,002,023 from a total purse of $1.4 million, is a cooperative effort with the speedway’s official livestream partner, FloSports, a leader in sports streaming and original content, which will provide exclusive live streaming of the event.

I’d bet a hot fudge sundae that this was discussed between eldora & WoO long before the announcement

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KUDOS to Flo for getting this involved. This should draw both fans at the track and viewers to FLO. Hopefully FLO will do some work to help other promoters bump up purses/defray costs for the other events they stream.

I hope this event really takes off and becomes an annual deal.

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[QUOTE=Charles Nungester;560367]So do WoO give a exemption for this or include it in their four allowed?

The unsanctioned event, which features a winner’s purse of $1,002,023 from a total purse of $1.4 million, is a cooperative effort with the speedway’s official livestream partner, FloSports, a leader in sports streaming and original content, which will provide exclusive live streaming of the event.[/QUOT

Charles,

Good question!! I can't see WOO counting this as one of their members four allowed. Think this will be an exception with the money involved even though some of it is provided by their livestream competitor, FloSports.


Bruce Eckel

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I honestly can't say if this is good for the sport or bad for the sport. Or just in General the sports going the way the Late Models did. With a ton of tracks getting ten to fifteen cars for regular shows and anyone who has backing to compete. just races big shows.

I also see fans attending less but bigger shows only. This is a week, Knoxville another. Add in A speedweek or two and you got four mini vacations June-sept

Racers, Heck we got twenty five races that pay 20 grand plus Ten of em 50K or more. Win one, thats more than five regular outlaw or all star wins.. I see some like Macri, Marks, Gravel, Koffoid and a few others just going $$ racing and hell with a points championship. But they may run some of that too cherry picking $$ and tracks they tend to run best at.


I also don't like that Flo $$ is going for select events only. It should be spread out and make each sanctions purse a bit bigger every night.

Sign of the times, I guess Im glad they're having it. Just not necessarily the way it's going. Last years KR attendees get first choice on ticks. Well this is basically a Nascar ticket license which went well. UNTIL tracks that had two year waiting list at one time can't fill the place anymore and people basically giving tickets for free in the parking lot.

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Just glad the sprinters are getting a chance. I bet we see a lot of nonwing guys trying to hit some wing shows this spring. Thats bad for racing in Indiana because most here just want to hate on the wings. Not many wing races even held in Indiana in 2023.

Originally Posted by 767:
Just glad the sprinters are getting a chance. I bet we see a lot of nonwing guys trying to hit some wing shows this spring. Thats bad for racing in Indiana because most here just want to hate on the wings. Not many wing races even held in Indiana in 2023.

I kinda doubt it. They know they have no chance of a good finish in this race and there are more high paying non-wing races this year than ever before. I think the non-wing guys are going to stick to what they do best and stay focused on that.

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I see Brady Bacon doing it for sure. He's not into the triple crown so much as he is doubling up. If there's a wing and non wing, A wing and a midget. A Non Wing and a midget shows.. Not sure what USAC has that week but a million to win twenty miles from his shop is a no miss.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I honestly can't say if this is good for the sport or bad for the sport. Or just in General the sports going the way the Late Models did. With a ton of tracks getting ten to fifteen cars for regular shows and anyone who has backing to compete. just races big shows.

I also see fans attending less but bigger shows only. This is a week, Knoxville another. Add in A speedweek or two and you got four mini vacations June-sept

Racers, Heck we got twenty five races that pay 20 grand plus Ten of em 50K or more. Win one, thats more than five regular outlaw or all star wins.. I see some like Macri, Marks, Gravel, Koffoid and a few others just going $$ racing and hell with a points championship. But they may run some of that too cherry picking $$ and tracks they tend to run best at.


I also don't like that Flo $$ is going for select events only. It should be spread out and make each sanctions purse a bit bigger every night.

Sign of the times, I guess Im glad they're having it. Just not necessarily the way it's going. Last years KR attendees get first choice on ticks. Well this is basically a Nascar ticket license which went well. UNTIL tracks that had two year waiting list at one time can't fill the place anymore and people basically giving tickets for free in the parking lot.

Ah c'mon..... $6,000 to start?
As my late father would say, "Quitcha bitchin"
Can't be anything but good! :22:

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Originally Posted by revjimk:
Ah c'mon..... $6,000 to start?
As my late father would say, "Quitcha bitchin"
Can't be anything but good! :22:

I’m with Charles. I can see goo & not so good with this. And yes the $6K to start is good but I’d rather see $500K to win $25K to start but that doesn’t get the headlines

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I honestly can't say if this is good for the sport or bad for the sport. Or just in General the sports going the way the Late Models did. With a ton of tracks getting ten to fifteen cars for regular shows and anyone who has backing to compete. just races big shows.

I also see fans attending less but bigger shows only. This is a week, Knoxville another. Add in A speedweek or two and you got four mini vacations June-sept

Racers, Heck we got twenty five races that pay 20 grand plus Ten of em 50K or more. Win one, thats more than five regular outlaw or all star wins.. I see some like Macri, Marks, Gravel, Koffoid and a few others just going $$ racing and hell with a points championship. But they may run some of that too cherry picking $$ and tracks they tend to run best at.


I also don't like that Flo $$ is going for select events only. It should be spread out and make each sanctions purse a bit bigger every night.

Sign of the times, I guess Im glad they're having it. Just not necessarily the way it's going. Last years KR attendees get first choice on ticks. Well this is basically a Nascar ticket license which went well. UNTIL tracks that had two year waiting list at one time can't fill the place anymore and people basically giving tickets for free in the parking lot.

I am glad that our racing family will renew our kr as usual. Our racing family member Bill has been to everyone of the king's royal racing events. Let the tradition continue and the Kodak moments and life time memories continues together. God bless America 🇺🇸. Thanks ☺️

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Originally Posted by revjimk:
Ah c'mon..... $6,000 to start?
As my late father would say, "Quitcha bitchin"
Can't be anything but good! :22:

Im not wrong, Outside of central PA, Where is 410 wing racing even healthy?

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Im not wrong, Outside of central PA, Where is 410 wing racing even healthy?

Ohio

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Im not wrong, Outside of central PA, Where is 410 wing racing even healthy?

I don't get it... what does "Outside of central PA, Where is 410 wing racing even healthy?" have to do with a Million Dollar race being a bad idea?
Like Kart said, its big in Ohio & Great Plains like Knoxville, Husets, etc.
& if a company is willing to invest in a multi million $ purse, isn't that a sign of pretty robust health?
You could ask the same question about 410 wingless... where is it healthy outside Indiana? Irrelevant....its healthy where people like it & enough people like it to keep it going. Thats healthy enough, right? :23:

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Originally Posted by revjimk:
I don't get it... what does "Outside of central PA, Where is 410 wing racing even healthy?" have to do with a Million Dollar race being a bad idea?
Like Kart said, its big in Ohio & Great Plains like Knoxville, Husets, etc.
& if a company is willing to invest in a multi million $ purse, isn't that a sign of pretty robust health?
You could ask the same question about 410 wingless... where is it healthy outside Indiana? Irrelevant....its healthy where people like it & enough people like it to keep it going. Thats healthy enough, right? :23:

Im not mad they're having a big race. Im just saying there aren't many weekly tracks left that get full field. Even Ohio struggles unless it's a $$ race and then sometimes not so much. Last waynesfield all star race got 20

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Im not mad they're having a big race. Im just saying there aren't many weekly tracks left that get full field. Even Ohio struggles unless it's a $$ race and then sometimes not so much. Last waynesfield all star race got 20

Last year on the night of the 4 crown, they had All Stars at Eldora, WoO at Sharon, plus local races at Atomic and another track or two, there were over 100 410s racing in Ohio that night. Granted some were National guys but most were from Ohio.

Originally Posted by dsc1600:
Last year on the night of the 4 crown, they had All Stars at Eldora, WoO at Sharon, plus local races at Atomic and another track or two, there were over 100 410s racing in Ohio that night. Granted some were National guys but most were from Ohio.

That’s not terribly uncommon throughout the season. On many Saturday nights you can have 4-5 track’s running winged 410’s and most with a full field or close to it.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Im not mad they're having a big race. Im just saying there aren't many weekly tracks left that get full field. Even Ohio struggles unless it's a $$ race and then sometimes not so much. Last waynesfield all star race got 20

Have you been to waynesfield lately? That used to be one of the most exciting tracks to spectate at…. Not so much anymore. Idk if it’s the track prep or what but since they quit running weekly it’s not as good

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Im not mad they're having a big race. Im just saying there aren't many weekly tracks left that get full field. Even Ohio struggles unless it's a $$ race and then sometimes not so much. Last waynesfield all star race got 20

I still don't get your point
Why does a midweek Big $$ race detract from weekly shows?
Teams will see it as an incentive to practice, tune up & get better at their local tracks so they can win the big ones... there aren't that many on the schedule. Nobody can just sit around all summer, wait for the big races & expect to win. None of the "Chili Bowl Only" midget teams stand a chance at that event against guys who race all year....

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Originally Posted by motorhead748:
Have you been to waynesfield lately? That used to be one of the most exciting tracks to spectate at…. Not so much anymore. Idk if it’s the track prep or what but since they quit running weekly it’s not as good

No, I quit going when they started cutting the cushion off and just having rubbered down tracks.

Still I guess, better than not running at all. Think Mr. Shobe is done unless he can find a buyer.

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The money for the racers is a great thing. I, like Charles am a bit concerned. Not with one race but with the set up of what is to occur. FLO seems to be the tail wagging the dog here. How will this affect races as we move into the future as far as scheduling is concerned? How many owners and drivers will skip the weekly races to make sure their drivers and cars health is at peak for the big money? Granted, there may be no issues with any of this and it may just end up being something positive for sprint car racing overall. Unintended consequences arise with every change, some positive and some negative. I suppose we shall see.

This race is nothing more than buying a lottery ticket. It probably won't happen again, but Tony can say he has the highest paying race in sprint car history. You knew he was going to do something, he has been trying for the last few years to have the highest paying race. He wasn't going to let Tod Quiring have that claim at Husets($250K to win).

The days of weekly racing having full fields is dying. Has been for quite some time and it has nothing to do with streaming. Its not just wing racing either, its non wing too(Did the Burg even have a full field for any show beyond USAC???, one maybe?).

When top tier outlaw teams are estimating the cost to be $10K every time they drop the trailer door, what does that tell you? Its a wealthy person's sport and the days of the do it yourself and at home garage motors is long gone. Racing has become a big time industry. Just think about where PRI started and where it is today...... That speaks volumes and tells you the little guys are gone or are in the back. Motor rebuilds are $10K after 10 races and that's if nothing broke. If something breaks its 15K or more depending on the damage.

If a top tier outlaw team is spending $10k every time they drop the trailer door, what is the top tier USAC teams spending nightly, $3-5K? There is no wonder why the non wing guys want to race for more money, benefits...etc.

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Originally Posted by Kart#51:
This race is nothing more than buying a lottery ticket. It probably won't happen again, but Tony can say he has the highest paying race in sprint car history. You knew he was going to do something, he has been trying for the last few years to have the highest paying race. He wasn't going to let Tod Quiring have that claim at Husets($250K to win).

The days of weekly racing having full fields is dying. Has been for quite some time and it has nothing to do with streaming. Its not just wing racing either, its non wing too(Did the Burg even have a full field for any show beyond USAC???, one maybe?).

When top tier outlaw teams are estimating the cost to be $10K every time they drop the trailer door, what does that tell you? Its a wealthy person's sport and the days of the do it yourself and at home garage motors is long gone. Racing has become a big time industry. Just think about where PRI started and where it is today...... That speaks volumes and tells you the little guys are gone or are in the back. Motor rebuilds are $10K after 10 races and that's if nothing broke. If something breaks its 15K or more depending on the damage.

If a top tier outlaw team is spending $10k every time they drop the trailer door, what is the top tier USAC teams spending nightly, $3-5K? There is no wonder why the non wing guys want to race for more money, benefits...etc.

I agree about a 95% with you. Just look at a LM example. Florence, Burg and Brownstown are all within a hundred miles raced on the same night, and all had full field. Brownstown used to have a forty car average of LMs Florence thirty plus and Burg about 25. Now one of the tracks hasn't run LMs in years and the other two are alternating dates. Now even ten grand to win races for LM's sometimes don't get a full field.

What I am saying is that when people have the choice of seeing maybe six to ten shows in person all the stars will be at. Why bother going 15-20 times to the local track at all?

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I agree about a 95% with you. Just look at a LM example. Florence, Burg and Brownstown are all within a hundred miles raced on the same night, and all had full field. Brownstown used to have a forty car average of LMs Florence thirty plus and Burg about 25. Now one of the tracks hasn't run LMs in years and the other two are alternating dates. Now even ten grand to win races for LM's sometimes don't get a full field.

What I am saying is that when people have the choice of seeing maybe six to ten shows in person all the stars will be at. Why bother going 15-20 times to the local track at all?

I agree. The fight for the entertainment dollar is fierce and its only going to get worse. How many empty seats do you see at NBA, NFL and MLB. More isn't always better and now there are more choices to choose from. The tracks are getting squeezed hard in the macro picture as the dollar can only get split so many ways. I haven't been to a true weekly show in years. I go to big events because I have two very athletic and active kids that are go go go all summer. Something has to give, at the same time, FLO and DirtVision allow me to still watch what I'm passionate about when I get home on a Saturday night worn out from kids sports, which are brutally expensive if you do any travel clubs.

I think this is good overall to bring more attention to the sport, and Tony getting his feather in his cap for the highest paying race. My biggest thoughts are if the Outlaws would grant their teams exemption for this one. I absolutely believe they will because it’s just a complete disservice to your teams to not let them complete in the biggest race in history. Couple other things come to mind. Curious who will officiate the event? My guess would probably be the Allstars but if I’m not mistaken the USAC gang did the High Limit at LPS. And a scenario we will never see but would love to would be running this race wingless. Just wonder how many of the big time wingers would step out of the shade and into the light for one million clams? One can only wonder

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I have said for years that we suffer from over saturation. When I was a kid weekly shows were between Mother's Day and Labor day. At the end of the year if a team had a good year, they would run a couple of special shows. Now you can run weekly from April to October.Tough for the small teams to run that many shows. I think that effects car counts more than a mid week $1million to win race.

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My other point was Flo is putting all the $$ into thirteen events. . I don't know what the sanctions get but if it is indeed only a grand per show to tracks. That's a travisty. USAC and some other shows is what Speedshift started with. Sold to Flo. Now the sanctions and tracks that built it are suffering instead of gaining.

Then again, I see the draw of 500k Kyle Larson followers. Kyle's racing on Flo, That's good for 20-100k subscribers at 150 each.

A buddy of mine went out to Eldora today to get his King Royal and the Million dollar race ticket. The reserved ticket for the Million was $80.00 if they get 20,000 people that would would be 1.6 Million. With consessions and camping and Flo I think Tony will make a profit.

Brent, I couldn’t agree more about the length of the regular season. I understand too, that the tracks are also trying to get as much in as possible in part to help try to make up for weather problems during the season. In a perfect world, we could have a great regular season, ending Labor Day and then specials that don’t schedule against each other as the season winds down. But as we’re realizing, there’s no perfect world