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Vookie 12/3/22 12:10 PM

2023 Hoosier 100 Payout
 
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From the IRP Facebook page.

Hubie48 12/3/22 12:43 PM

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Love the purse

chrismattlin 12/3/22 12:58 PM

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Now that's the type of purse that Championship Cars deserve!

Love the work you're doing, Kasey Coler. :8:

Vookie 12/3/22 1:04 PM

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https://raceirp.com/hoosier-hundred/

flagboy55 12/3/22 1:13 PM

But 32 payout spots aren’t needed. What is it like 18 or 20 usually make the call? It’s also the Hoosier Hundred in name only

chrismattlin 12/3/22 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 559893)
It’s also the Hoosier Hundred in name only

I know that you don't prefer pavement racing, but....
We should never let the decisions of governments ruin our fun. Long live the Hoosier Hundred!

flagboy55 12/3/22 2:58 PM

Chris, let’s not get started on government. Using the name is illegitimate. But I’m sure it will carry on regardless of what I think. But since you brought up the government, I have a message for whoever in government thought it was a good idea to put limestone down at the Indy mile and to end Motorsport there. May you burn in hell for desecration of the hallowed grounds! 🔥 🔥🔥

BrentTFunk 12/3/22 5:32 PM

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After all the money and time Bob Sargent put in keeping not only the Hoosier Hundred, but Silver Crown racing going, I am fine with him try to get a return on his investment. I believe this will be the top paying Silver Crown race. I am fine with it. Sorry it isn't at the Indy Mile, but that is what happens when your state is controlled by the casino industry.

flagboy55 12/3/22 6:53 PM

Here’s the thing. I’m not going to go to a pavement race just because you put a name on it that is revered as a historically great race. Now I’m not against pavement as much as I might come across. What I don’t like is people telling me how wonderful it is when I actually saw it when it was. It’s not now. Sorry if I offended you, but actually not. But today we’re supposed to apologize for something that might offend someone

kendirt 12/3/22 8:29 PM

Like it or not, pavement racing is what's going to keep Silver Crown going in the long term. Don't think so and you don't understand where the money in the series already is.

From a guy who hasn't been to a pavement race of any kind in at least fifteen years...

flagboy55 12/3/22 8:45 PM

Ken, there’s got to be something behind it because I know what I see and I’m not going to buy a ticket to watch it. The same way I’m not buying a ticket to a nascar race or an Indy light race. There is money behind all kinds of stuff that we’re told there’s virtue in. I have my own mind and will decide for myself what is worth me spending my time on. If silver crown goes away, it won’t be because of what it did on dirt

Pancho Stapp 12/3/22 9:03 PM

the name is deceiving. I seen the post Hoosier Hundred payout and i got all excited only to click the link and get brought back to reality. Change the name. Call it the Harvest 100 or the Heartland 100 or anything else, it is not the Hoosier Hundred.

Vookie 12/3/22 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pancho Stapp (Post 559902)
the name is deceiving. I seen the post Hoosier Hundred payout and i got all excited only to click the link and get brought back to reality. Change the name. Call it the Harvest 100 or the Heartland 100 or anything else, it is not the Hoosier Hundred.

How about calling it" I Don't Give a F*** What They Call It 100". :deadhorse:

Pancho Stapp 12/3/22 9:34 PM

Works for me

Vookie 12/3/22 9:43 PM

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Who's There 100?

D Byrd 12/4/22 10:42 AM

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would expect a field of probably 28 cars, as there were 25 cars in the May race this year at IRP, and more pavement cars are being prepared for next year

DJlives 12/4/22 12:13 PM

Of classic USAC races including Hulman Classic, Hut Hundred, Night Before the 500, Turkey Night Grand Prix to name a few have been raced at different racetracks, TNGP, Hulman Classic and Night Before were contested on both dirt and pavement. We have a leadership group that has worked hard to revive the oval and have put money behind that. Seems worth supporting. As always if it isn't your cup of tea just don't go. Really simple

Charles Nungester 12/4/22 12:54 PM

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WV motor speedway would be a killer place for a Dirt Champ Car race. Fonda too. Problem is, neither are in open wheel territory.

Puppy 12/4/22 5:26 PM

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"......THIS IS INDIANA, WE RACE ON DIRT HERE........":deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:








".......iT WAS TOO DUSTY, i'LL NEVER GO BACK......"
Bottom line? Someone will always be unhappy about SOMETHING, so just have the race and those that go will enjoy it....

jdull99 12/5/22 5:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJlives (Post 559917)
Of classic USAC races including Hulman Classic, Hut Hundred, Night Before the 500, Turkey Night Grand Prix to name a few have been raced at different racetracks, TNGP, Hulman Classic and Night Before were contested on both dirt and pavement. We have a leadership group that has worked hard to revive the oval and have put money behind that. Seems worth supporting. As always if it isn't your cup of tea just don't go. Really simple

Good points! When you consider the Fairgrounds and "IRP" are like 10 miles apart, this is fitting too. Gota race where a promoter will have you...

767 12/5/22 8:18 AM

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Because mile tracks put on such great racing, you guys should just go build a track to solve this problem! I'm sure fans will flock to your venue week after week :17: Has anyone done the math on this thing? $92,000 purse. At $25 per ticket, takes 3,680 people just to break even. Lets be honest that number is going to be hard to pull off. Hats off on the guys picking up strong sponsors in this tough economy. I am very impressed by this purse. As others have said, there were 25 cars in the spring. I predict there will be 37 cars for this event. For this kind of money, you will see new chassis built. Look how impressive the 19 team was at the last race. For what it is worth, I don't care 1 bit if the race is on dirt or pavement as long as they are racing!

kendirt 12/10/22 12:37 PM

Based on the number of pavement Silver Crown cars on display at PRI I'd guess they're going to do whatever they can to create interest in this race.

I'm not an asphalt guy but pavement Crown cars are sexy AF.

diversified 12/10/22 5:59 PM

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Winged dirt sprint car legend Wayne Johnson ran a pavement sprint car at the season ending 500 Sprint Tour race last October, he had a blast so he went out and bought a pavement Silver Crown car for this upcoming season!!!

flagboy55 12/10/22 6:09 PM

Just wanted to let everyone know that the biggest crowd for a silver crown race is the place where they would most likely get the same crowd without them!

fish 12/10/22 8:30 PM

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This page is facebook (which has some issues of its own) but it has moderators that actually moderate.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/dirt...acingofindiana

Jim Fisher

flagboy55 12/11/22 3:49 PM

Jim, again I ask. What do you think should be moderated?

jdull99 12/11/22 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 560218)
jim, again i ask. What do you think should be moderated?

:44:

fish 12/11/22 6:07 PM

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Lots of photos here and no trash talkers:

Check out Fisher's Pictorial.
https://www.facebook.com/FishersPictorial/

Or ask for an invite to Sprint Car Pictorial
https://www.facebook.com/groups/432297008120353

flagboy55 12/11/22 7:08 PM

OMG. Sprint Car Pictorial biggie rule LMAO 🤣

fish 12/11/22 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 560229)
OMG. Sprint Car Pictorial biggie rule LMAO ��


And that's as far as you'll ever get on that page. :5:

Sprint Car Pictorial:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/432297008120353

You can also check out my buddy Rick Rarer's twitter site, @SprintCarNews

Who are you?

flagboy55 12/11/22 7:45 PM

That kinda foolishness is why I won’t try to sign on. Nothing like putting ******** front and center

Stevensville Mike 12/11/22 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 767 (Post 559939)
Because mile tracks put on such great racing, you guys should just go build a track to solve this problem! I'm sure fans will flock to your venue week after week :17: Has anyone done the math on this thing? $92,000 purse. At $25 per ticket, takes 3,680 people just to break even. Lets be honest that number is going to be hard to pull off. Hats off on the guys picking up strong sponsors in this tough economy. I am very impressed by this purse. As others have said, there were 25 cars in the spring. I predict there will be 37 cars for this event. For this kind of money, you will see new chassis built. Look how impressive the 19 team was at the last race. For what it is worth, I don't care 1 bit if the race is on dirt or pavement as long as they are racing!

Let me see if I have this straight. I'll do a little MORE math:

For the sake of argument, let us say the track owner is in this event for that amount - $92K. Let us also say the ticket price will remain firm - $25.

The owner will more than likely attempt to find sponsorship of this race from somewhere. For example, Federated Auto Parts. Say they throw in enough sponsor $$$ to make it the Federated Auto Parts 100. This cuts down the track owner's amount thrown into the purse. Federated puts up signs, gives away can coolers, etc., and goes the advertisement way, maybe gets a cut of the t-shirt money for their name/logo is on the shirt, which is how I assume business advertising works - for the most part.

3680 people were required at $92K to break even. If you cut that required number of fans to 3000, you are bringing the track owner's portion of the purse down to $75K. So to make the math work, Federated Auto Parts will have to pony up $17K. That's a lot. Good luck with THAT.

Now maybe you can get Hoosier Tire or VP Fuel to throw in a few thou and chop Federated's overhead for this race down a bit. What are Hoosier and VP getting in return? Maybe a few more smaller sponsors can kick in? Any way it is sliced up, we are still targeting $17K to cover the fans count of only 3000 - down 680 from 3680.

The math IS staggering, I must say, 767.

But if you can get all of the fans to spend $5 at the concession stands, our target fan base is now down to 2500 to break even (with the $17K from the sponsors).

My head is starting to hurt thinking about this. Thanks for bringing these figures to the forefront of this topic. The numbers are definitely sobering.

fish 12/11/22 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 560235)
That kinda foolishness is why I won’t try to sign on. Nothing like putting ******** front and center

You wouldn't get any further than trying to sign in. And that's a good thing.

flagboy55 12/11/22 8:40 PM

We’ll mr Fish. I would to like to say God Bless you, and you may leave now. Nothing keeping you to be appalled by scourge like 76 and myself but you

fxstsb 12/12/22 1:51 AM

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Too late for the Biggie Rule; the overthrow already happened.

767 12/12/22 8:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike (Post 560236)
Let me see if I have this straight. I'll do a little MORE math:

For the sake of argument, let us say the track owner is in this event for that amount - $92K. Let us also say the ticket price will remain firm - $25.

The owner will more than likely attempt to find sponsorship of this race from somewhere. For example, Federated Auto Parts. Say they throw in enough sponsor $$$ to make it the Federated Auto Parts 100. This cuts down the track owner's amount thrown into the purse. Federated puts up signs, gives away can coolers, etc., and goes the advertisement way, maybe gets a cut of the t-shirt money for their name/logo is on the shirt, which is how I assume business advertising works - for the most part.

3680 people were required at $92K to break even. If you cut that required number of fans to 3000, you are bringing the track owner's portion of the purse down to $75K. So to make the math work, Federated Auto Parts will have to pony up $17K. That's a lot. Good luck with THAT.

Now maybe you can get Hoosier Tire or VP Fuel to throw in a few thou and chop Federated's overhead for this race down a bit. What are Hoosier and VP getting in return? Maybe a few more smaller sponsors can kick in? Any way it is sliced up, we are still targeting $17K to cover the fans count of only 3000 - down 680 from 3680.

The math IS staggering, I must say, 767.

But if you can get all of the fans to spend $5 at the concession stands, our target fan base is now down to 2500 to break even (with the $17K from the sponsors).

My head is starting to hurt thinking about this. Thanks for bringing these figures to the forefront of this topic. The numbers are definitely sobering.

I'm just guessing here, but I would think the track will need to bring in at least 25k to 30k in sponsorship. Most places have a decent amount of overhead. Also it is not cheap to advertise in Indy. We also have to be honest with ourselves, IRP is not a charity. It is here to make money. Honestly I am impressed with the SC turnaround. Car Counts are good. Equipment quality seems to be improving. Very nice mix of drivers. Over the last 2 seasons, I have went from casual observer to watching every race. Most races actually had good racing somewhere in the field the entire race.

Stevensville Mike 12/12/22 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 767 (Post 560252)
I'm just guessing here, but I would think the track will need to bring in at least 25k to 30k in sponsorship....

Thanks for the eye opening numbers, sir. A very informative post it was. I have to admit, I never really thought about it with respect as to how much percentage-wise a sponsor would bring in. I am sure it varies.

But, I always did know that selling hotdogs can make up a lot of ground for a track owner.

Especially when re-working the track is in progress. :)


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