Did USAC mess up or does blame go elsewhere?
 

Did USAC mess up or does blame go elsewhere?


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If the team turned in the transponder it’s on them - not USAC’s fault.

As a weekend warrior crew guy, I could see how someone could turn in the transponder in at the end of the night. Still don’t know all the facts in this case.

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Any bet USAC won't try to clarify the situation

I don’t understand the point of this whole post. Everything isn’t USAC’s fault. The team turned in the transponder the day the semi was scheduled to be ran. Why would anyone do that unless they weren’t going to compete later that day?

Why should they?

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If someone on the team said they were done, Then a Consi was cancelled for lack of cars. Then that car wants back in. Then the rest that didn't make it would have to be let in.

Sounds like a closed book. USAC did nothing wrong.

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Looks like Bill's Twitter page pretty much tells the hole deal.

https://twitter.com/billrose6_rose/s...30067891879939

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I agree 100% with Charles on this.

It seems like some people live to beat on USAC. That is sad.

Dude, you're a late model and modified guy. How many sprint car and midget races do you attend every year?

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More than you might think. Just this year

Knoxville - for the Nationals
Wilmot - 2022 Opener
Gas City - 2 night. Both regular races
Kokomo - 2 races. Memorial Day & 4th Of July Sunday
Lincoln Park - 1 race. Regular show
Hartford - 1 race. GLSS
8 as of now. It will be 9 after the Kokomo Klash.

These where the nights I wasn't already helping someone with their race car or had other commitments

I catch what I can when I'm not at another track in the pits helping a friend with their car. I don't ditch my friends just because I'd like to catch a race elsewhere.

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I would have liked to see Windom race. I think it could have offered another interesting facet to the race. Chris is a past champion and Rose is a long, long time USAC supporter, car owner and driver.

Dumb Move IMO

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Have you ever been to a USAC race. For whatever reason for a stock car guy you have a real ax to grind. How many hours a day are you on social media?

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Here's the problem. Windom is out of USAC and did not qualify and transfer to the feature. The rules exist for the new guy as well as the triple crown winner. or the thirty year supporter.

Kinda like the rules of today. Commit a crime, get no time..... SMH.

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[QUOTE=Charles Nungester;558010]Here's the problem. Windom is out of USAC and did not qualify and transfer to the feature. The rules exist for the new guy as well as the triple crown winner. or the thirty year supporter.

Please define out of Usac. He did run and win the midgets correct? I would think you are out of Usac because of retirement or suspension. It appears 8 other cars did not transfer from TT. Although due to an abysmal turnout of cars for the “heritage” division those 8 ran the A. If and only if it was made official by the team owner that they were done for the wknd and the statement by the sanction body is correct that the car was loaded up then there is no issue. I would like to know if Windom does not qualify for a past champ provisional. Especially if there were not even enough cars to fill the field.

The turnout of cars for 2 of the 3 divisions of Usac is a telling sign of where this event is headed. Kind of a shame as it used to be a marquee event on the schedule. Might be time to figure out how to keep what teams you have and try to build upon more.

An earlier comment was made about people getting on here with an axe to grind. That comment is probably true. USAC decided about 4 years ago to assert themselves as pioneers of rules and or conduct infringement. They wanted the attention as a group who did it by the book, and kept order. Since then these little things keep creeping up.( Don’t park a guy for wrecking the winner after the checkers because he didn’t like getting passed, 4 tire tests to keep their clique group from being suspended, this he said she said issue about transponder return.) People decided to watch what goes on and in this world of social media things are more out in the open then they ever were. USAC is getting the attention of people and it’s not always a good look. This board was designed for people to discuss the issues/events of the racing scene. For a long time USAC had the reputation of competence and order. Since about this time 4 years ago that has changed. Axe to grind could be accurate but it’s only because of leadership decisions. Hopefully next wknd its two nights of great sprint car racing, and it’s not riddled more questions than answers.

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Interesting discussion. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. USAC, and quite frankly, any sanction are in a no win situation. Every keyboard jockey has an opinion, notwithstanding having zero real insider knowledge of the circumstance. Anytime a sanction makes a decision the knee jerk reactions begin. I don’t know the true circumstances here, and neither so any of you. I know Rose has ran off and on with USAC for years. I also know he posted his side of the story on social media and many immediately formulated their opinion based on that post. USAC countered. I’m not sure what else people want here, it’s a done deal. USAC made their decision to scratch the hooligan based on the 66 cars withdrawal. After that, and since the race has been run, there’s little more to deal with. Everybody wants a pound of flesh, when it seems in this instance it is a situation of nuance in which it’s difficult to find anyone to be a “bad” guy.

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[quote=yeleyfan76;558019]I meant out of usac as in not running for points and having no provisional s. Windom and others are free to do what they want to do.

I thought the count was good for sprints and champ cars. Little down on sprints but two IN tracks and IRA raced against it.

Midgets, I think 2019 was my last actual being there, They had fourteen and two either blew or wrecked before features so they started twelve.

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Personally, I find it funny folks call me a stock car guy like there something wrong with that.
I don't consider myself that at all.
Folks questing weather I've actually seen a USAC race is even funnier. :5:
Been to both the Smackdown and Kokomo Grand Prix on multiple occasions.
Seen USAC races at Kokomo Speedway, Gas City I-69 Speedway, Lincoln Park Speedway, Santa Fe Sppedway, Illiana Motor Speedway, LaSalle Speedway, 34 Raceway Speedway (during pandemic), Lincoln Speedway (IL), Indianapolis Raceway Park (Thursday Night Thunder) just to name a few.
Saw a USAC race at Illiana years ago and now that track is closed.
Seen a few USAC races at Santa Fe Speedway on the southwest side of Chicago (93rd & Wolf Road) years ago and that track has been closed since late 1995.
Saw the USAC Midgets at Lincoln Speedway in Illinois that was part of a UMP Summer Nationals show (7-2-2017) a few years back and got to see one of the best races I have personally witnessed in years.
Christopher Bell got the win that night out dueling Spencer Bayston, Tyler Courtney, Shane Golobic, & Jerry Coons Jr.
Any more questions on weather I've seen a USAC race refer to what I just typed.
Seen an MSCS race at Shadyhill a few years back.
The series only time there.
I'd ask many of you if many here on IOW if you have gone out of your way to watch a late model or modified show?
When it comes to racing, I don't discriminate on what I choose to watch when I'm not helping a friend with their race car.
I try to support my local tracks as much I can (Shadyhill & Kankakee).
I wish Shadyhill raced some sort of Open Wheel class weekly but that's not really a possibility or feasible since there mostly fender cars in the region.
Would be awesome If they could get the USAC Midwest Thunder Midgets on the schedule a few times, but until they upgrade the fencing, I don't see them running an open wheel show other than the BMARA Badger Midgets.
I've seen a ton of USAC races over the years.
Kokomo is one of my favorite tracks just wish they races a few more times a year.
I don't have an ax to grind.
Just this year I finally made got to make my first trip to Knoxville for the Knoxville Nationals and seen a race I had on my bucket list for as long as I could remember since the TNN was covering the race in the 80's.
Left my house and 3:00am and got there just after 8:00am and was the 1st person in line for a pit pass for the Saturday show.
Never left that line for any reason since they only sold so many pit passes, I wanted to make sure was able to get down to the infield to watch the show.
I to witness history with Donny Schatz winning his 10th career Knoville Nationals crown with a late race pass on David Gravel and coming that much closer to tying Steve Kinser record of 12 wins.
I catch what I can going to races on a budget. :32:

Question: Is the transponder given to the teams and the teams keep it over the entire event and if turned in that is the team saying they are done for the event?

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This is IndianaOpenWheel.com ... I'm going to go out on a big limb and say the overwhelming answer is no.

If there were only late model/mortified cab cars to watch it would save me a lot of money as I would never attend another race in person. I have numerous friends in the cab car world and if that's your thing great but for me I would just as soon paint my bathroom wall then sit on the toilet and watch it until it totally dries.

No

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Love LM's myself. After working a bit on a sprint car I then went and worked two years on Bombers then LM's. Used to have both sprints and LM's at my home track.

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Went to 2 last year at Circle City and they were every bit as good as open wheel races. YMMV

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Just to clarify. Is this post not from a keyboard jockey and just a prophecy of truth?? Once again for the record. This board is designed for people to discuss their thought and opinion of a situation. Usac wanted a spot light when making some of their huge rules decisions in the past so now they are under a microscope for all decisions. Unfortunately it’s where we are. Perception is usually 9/10ths the reality and the general feeling about current leadership is not held in high esteem by many. Get over it. No one can make the perfect decision all of the time, but history teaches that when a habit of questionable decisions are made, those making the decisions are not simply accepted as correct.

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In my experience you always turned it in at the end of the night and they would recharge them, and you were giving another one the next day (for multiple day shows)

Always a bummer when an entrant tries to cyber bully a sanctioning body into a starting position instead of handling it like a professional. Windom had no qualifying time, why should he be allowed to run an A-main?

Well, it does say in the Silver Crown rule book (posted on page 1 of this thread) that any car not posting a time is lined up behind those who post a time in qualifying if no transfer races are ran.

Thank you for that clarification.

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Did Windom and Hans Lien talk after Buddy's midget wreck? (I know the seat woulda had to have been changed)

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Folks,

During the drivers' meeting Kirk told us the transponders could be kept for the weekend or turned in after the races Friday night and given back for Saturday - it was our choice.

Now, concerning the question at hand, as in life - timing is everything. If the transponder was turned in prior to the announcement that all cars start the feature and no consi race would be run, that would be a clear indication to me that the car was scratched whether the statement was made or not. The transponder would be needed for the consi race if they intended to run it. If this is the case I'm of the impression that the 66 car's argument does not hold water.

If, however, the transponder was turned in after the announcement then there is some ambiguity there and an argument could be made by the 66 car. But, it 's not like USAC advertised for 26 starters (fastest 20 in time trials and best 6 finishers in the consi )in the posted event information/entry prior to the race, then changed to 24 starters (fastest 16 in time trials and best 8 finishers in the consi) plus two provisionals to make a total of 26 starters during the driver's meeting after the teams had spent the resources to get to the track.

Tim Simmons

Just another opportunity for some to pile on USAC. In my opinion I guess they should’ve lined up the race and if the car didn’t make the call then say everyone makes the race. Would the car in question have made the call if the race went off as scheduled? But I have to also say, I don’t have a problem with them taking the car home and fixing it to start scratch on the field