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Static 4/23/22 12:34 PM

Burg 4/23
 
Any idea how many sprints tonight?

Charles Nungester 4/23/22 1:24 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
Can't say 15-25. Unless some would rather come here and run a feature rather than a consi.

Going to be a great night either way, beautiful day to be at a race track.

oppweld 4/23/22 1:27 PM

If your looking for most cars I'd look to the BOSS show at Montpelier. The other 3 I'd say mid teens low twenties.

Static 4/23/22 2:03 PM

Thanks

racefan20 4/23/22 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by oppweld:
If your looking for most cars I'd look to the BOSS show at Montpelier. The other 3 I'd say mid teens low twenties.


Two races at putnamville 2 30 plus car counts


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Charles Nungester 4/23/22 2:45 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
the first one was the only track running. The second, I heard a lot of stuff got damaged and not necessaraly by wrecks. Still the closest to indy and most of the sprint teams in the state.

Think BoSS will do well. Problem is, it was drawing cars into non wing racing. Not sure anymore. Waynesfield had a solid following of NW cars and some went to Boss. but it's been three or four years since they ran regular, Many strap a wing on and run Fremont Attica.

I wish everyone well.

I just say fans and teams alike need to support tracks that schedule regular sprint car racing. If you got experience, there are some tracks a non spec 305 and 360 can compete, even steel blocks.. If a tracks super tacky, You can't but I seen Dallas run seventh with a Attica 305 at Eldora, Justin Clarke make the feature with a Racesaver 305 at Atomic and Hockett come from 21st to 3rd at Eldora with a ASCS 360

Everyone have fun. We go to watch and enjoy each other in our racing families.

DaleDuBois 4/23/22 3:00 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
How many Sprints, I'd say 34. I don't remember ever that they had less than 20.

Wallsracing 4/23/22 6:23 PM

33 boss sprints at Montpelier 27 at Paragon 15 steel block at Paragon 18 here at putnamville...

oppweld 4/23/22 7:36 PM

18,hmmm a little shy that 30 average.

Leohr46 4/23/22 8:47 PM

Paragon paid more than LPS and has open tire rule. Oh and you dont have to pay to use your quad to more the car around.

cowboyhar69 4/23/22 9:49 PM

Burg car count?

kinser 4/23/22 9:51 PM

Originally Posted by cowboyhar69:
burg car count?

16

LUCKYONE 4/23/22 10:18 PM

Who won Thanks

kinser 4/23/22 10:32 PM

Boespflug 1st Kendall 2nd

Charles Nungester 4/23/22 11:02 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
Boespflug kept his car under him and won from sixth. Hard track to get grip on everyone else got sideways or in the wall at some point. Was a hard wind blowing all night and bright sun. Moffatt spun while running third and didn't loose his position, Think it was Abrahms then Bodine for fifth.

kinser 4/23/22 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Boespflug kept his car under him and won from sixth. Hard track to get grip on everyone else got sideways or in the wall at some point. Was a hard wind blowing all night and bright sun. Moffatt spun while running third and didn't loose his position, Think it was Abrahms then Bodine for fifth.

They need to start doing some track prep instead of just watering over the black slick from the week before.

wildman92 4/23/22 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by kinser:
They need to start doing some track prep instead of just watering over the black slick from the week before.

At least once a year, Ballou picks up all the rocks. What more do you want?! 🤣🤣

IndianaSprintFan 4/24/22 12:49 AM

The place has turned into a joke. It was our favorite place to as little as 5-6 years ago.

Kendall2020 4/24/22 12:50 AM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
Four tracks racing within two hours of Indy. We are in the midst of the worst economy in decades and four tracks raced tonight with a top 5 or so at each track that could make races anywhere. let's hope come mid summer there are car counts to be worried about. Some guys tonight couldnt buy new tires this week, thats a bigger worry than car counts. we killed a D10 left rear in group qualifying and two new rears in the main!Hopefully things improve on that front. For now we all have to keep supporting all tracks while we can, or run out of money, lol!

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 12:56 AM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
Always kinda loved that they say practice at six and racing at seven and most times are right on, But sometimes Packing the track hours before and just watering. here and there don't work.

I said that very question to myself when they started practice, This is just what they need with a tire shortage.

I had a good night, you guys put on good racin. But wait on packing the track, if ya need help let the cars pack a few laps.

IndianaSprintFan 4/24/22 1:08 AM

Promoters could help quite a bit with the tire shortage. Just saying.

badcoupe 4/24/22 1:53 AM

Between their lack of track prep and how they treat many participants over their criticisms of lack of track prep they’re killing theirselves. Been praying for a new promoter for years or at least them to hire someone to do it. I know lots who won’t race there across all divisions due to this.

kinser 4/24/22 6:46 AM

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Always kinda loved that they say practice at six and racing at seven and most times are right on, But sometimes Packing the track hours before and just watering. here and there don't work.

I said that very question to myself when they started practice, This is just what they need with a tire shortage.

I had a good night, you guys put on good racin. But wait on packing the track, if ya need help let the cars pack a few laps.

There was no need to pack the track. It was never cut up from the week before

DaleDuBois 4/24/22 8:48 AM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
This looks like the beginning of the end for LPS if they don't change some things. To start with, the tire shortage. If not a sanctioned race, open tire rule in all classes. When I seen the track I knew they had just watered last weeks surface, tear up the track and start over. And what is this about paying for your quad to push your race can around. With a tire rule in all classes is nuts as most of these racers who race at LPS don't give a crap about the sanctions except the USAC sprints. So they should be running the mods, super stocks and bombers with out a tire rule as those that race LPS want to race without it costing big bucks for tires and the same for the sprints.

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 9:27 AM

Re: Burg 4/23
 

Originally Posted by DaleDuBois:
This looks like the beginning of the end for LPS if they don't change some things. To start with, the tire shortage. If not a sanctioned race, open tire rule in all classes. When I seen the track I knew they had just watered last weeks surface, tear up the track and start over. And what is this about paying for your quad to push your race can around. With a tire rule in all classes is nuts as most of these racers who race at LPS don't give a crap about the sanctions except the USAC sprints. So they should be running the mods, super stocks and bombers with out a tire rule as those that race LPS want to race without it costing big bucks for tires and the same for the sprints.


Not trying to be mean, But PAY ATTENTION! This isn't about LPS

DaleDuBois 4/24/22 9:43 AM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
If it fits, use it.

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 11:07 AM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
Going to say a couple things, Can't speak for anyone else and some just want to bad mouth.

Can't defend and will not the track, it was abrasive and IMHO like others said, Just not worked the way it should be. Best that track ever is is after a hard rain on raceday You could see it even before they hot lapped with dust on top of it.
Wish for better track prep myself. I kinda get it, Keeping the track packed allows for iffy weather running. But in the case like yesterday. It should have been ripped at noon. Soaked several times and start packing at 430 (Yeah I've never done it) and there was a wind that may have made all that moot anyway.

Another thing needs addressed is the stands need a good scrubbing. Bottom of handrails etc.

Now for the truth as I see it. The promoters have never been nothing but nice to me. Nice to our car club. Nice to the community I've seen them help racers in tons of ways, To getting a car in a hauler with a broke elevator lift to paying out when a car couldn't take the green. To starting everyone instead of running a consi to eliminate two cars. To running when most tracks would have called it on forecast alone. To running when it rained all around the track but not there. To running when it thunderstorm at 3pm (Several times) To letting rigs in early vs .

The track has the best safety team within 500 miles of Indy period, Not knocking any others, But they are stellar, trained, track has helicopter access if needed. The safety team helps promote, back and helps elsewhere when they can.. track is well staffed, Huge variety of food.

I hear all the talk, Not sure anyone else put in bids, I know at least once there were no competing bids. And it would probably take half a million in equipment both track and concession leases to open it back up if it closed.

I like the track. Even slick, it's fast vs 30mph corners of a short dry slickie. I can see the run around the bottom type racing at a dozen tracks in a dozen type of classes A sprint, And even Mods ripping the lip is my kinda action.

So don't say I can't be critical.

I support it because I love it. Like I said they've been nothing short of great to me and most I know.

Work the track better :)
The end.

cmiracingvids 4/24/22 11:30 AM

Sooo…who won??

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 12:03 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 

Originally Posted by cmiracingvids:
Sooo…who won??

Go back a page or two.

But
Boespflug
kendall
Moffatt
Abrams
Bodine.

Barr ran great but tagged the wall. Got back out but wasn't able to go good with bent birdcage.
Cling was fast but couldn't keep the car under him (Not the only one)

Id say Boespflug may have been the fourth fastest car there but stayed smooth. kept the car under him and won from sixth. Also got the BC hard charger.

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 12:13 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 

Originally Posted by DaleDuBois:
If it fits, use it.

Burg don't charge to use a quad.

mscs20 4/24/22 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Burg don't charge to use a quad.

No stupid membership fee or transponder rental either.

Milly 4/24/22 5:02 PM

😂😂

kinser 4/24/22 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by Milly:
You can’t be talking about LPS when you said they just watered over last weeks surface????? I know for a fact they work the track all week long. Get you information straight on what track post you are on. 😂😂

This post is about the burg so I do have my info straight.

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 5:27 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 
I think we'd all be surprised to know how close many tracks including the successful ones are to closing the gates> Their cost have gone up 30/50% too not including the purse. Hell my electric bill at home has doubled in two years. and my tank has gone from 24 dollars to fifty to fill..

I've had three promoters tell me they don't make a dime and usually lose on a regular show and lose big if the show starts but can't be completed. All those fans and teams get back in for free but the leases utilities, insurance payroll and prep cost etc all still have to be paid.

oldfan49 4/24/22 10:06 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I think we'd all be surprised to know how close many tracks including the successful ones are to closing the gates> Their cost have gone up 30/50% too not including the purse. Hell my electric bill at home has doubled in two years. and my tank has gone from 24 dollars to fifty to fill..

I've had three promoters tell me they don't make a dime and usually lose on a regular show and lose big if the show starts but can't be completed. All those fans and teams get back in for free but the leases utilities, insurance payroll and prep cost etc all still have to be paid.


Go to the "mostly motorsports" podcast and listen to the interview with the promoter of Bulls Gap tell how he lost money on the Kyle Larson race and why he closed the track down after that race

Charles Nungester 4/24/22 11:07 PM

Re: Burg 4/23
 

Originally Posted by oldfan49:
Go to the "mostly motorsports" podcast and listen to the interview with the promoter of Bulls Gap tell how he lost money on the Kyle Larson race and why he closed the track down after that race

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-m...orts-89320713/

flagboy55 4/26/22 12:05 AM

I listened to some of the interview on this podcast with the current promoter Vic Hill. While I have not yet finished it it sounds like there’s plenty more to the reason it wasn’t profitable for him. Lot’s of infrastructure issues


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