With the world racing group going wingless USAC needs to come back at them with a winged series. No it will never be as big as WOO or the all stars but it’d be great to bring winged racing to these predominantly non wing tracks (Kokomo Gas city Paragon Lincoln park etc) would be great for the area since that seems to be the direction sprint car racing is going and to train the non wing guys winged racing.

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Gtfoh !

That's a big fat NO!

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I'll have what he's smokin....... Maybe The WOO itself would go Non winged then.

BTW, USAC tried Wings late eighties on promoters option.

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See USAC results I believe in 1987 promotors had the option of their USAC race being wing or non-wing.

The World of Outlaws have a brand identity that resembles Hershey in chocolate no one is going to win a war with them on the wing side. See USA Sprint Car series that tried and even lured Sammy, The King, and Wolfgang to run it. It failed and made Ted Johnson and the WoO even stronger.

The All-Stars had shows at Circle City and Kokomo last season. They were so successful that ... wait for it ... they didn't reschedule them this season.

For me personally I like my sprint cars like the ladies, topless.

Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
See USAC results I believe in 1987 promotors had the option of their USAC race being wing or non-wing.

The World of Outlaws have a brand identity that resembles Hershey in chocolate no one is going to win a war with them on the wing side. See USA Sprint Car series that tried and even lured Sammy, The King, and Wolfgang to run it. It failed and made Ted Johnson and the WoO even stronger.

For me personally I like my sprint cars like the ladies, topless.

I didn’t mean for them to compete directly. I was thinking the series stay indiana/Illinois and help guys go to the next level (all stars and WOO) like BOSS and USAC now.

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Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
I didn’t mean for them to compete directly. I was thinking the series stay indiana/Illinois and help guys go to the next level (all stars and WOO) like BOSS and USAC now.

MOWA has Illinois pretty much to itself with 410 wing stuff. Only 410 engines west of the Mississippi, (excluding Northern Kalifornia), go to either Knoxville or Farmington, MO Saturday nights. Huset's is trying to get a weekly 410 deal established again on Sunday nights. Any further west and it's all 360 engine wing stuff like ASCS National and all their regional series.

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:

The All-Stars had shows at Circle City and Kokomo last season. They were so successful that ... wait for it ... they didn't reschedule them this season.

I was at both All Star races at Circle City. I have no idea how they didn't make any money. That place was totally packed both nights. If you notice the promoter isn't promoting the USAC races either. He's leased that out to T/E. The Kokomo race was the Rudeen race was promoted by Ronk and Stubegen who have now taken on THAT. The Rudeen race moves every year for awareness of the cause and I believe it went to I-70 for this year.

I do agree, that there is little to no appetite for winged racing in Indiana either from the promoters or fans. Its the wrong entrée in a non wing saturated fan base and I believe the perceived price point is too high as well. Again, the only winged race will be the Memorial Day standing date at Lawrenceburg for the WoO, which has been well attended in the past. I think there is a spot in the calendar in late September to run another "Hoosier Fall Classic", but I think the risk is too great for the promoters.

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Maybe USAC should raise the purses. These drivers got to go where the money is. I believe USAC has been paying basically the same for over thirty years, for a basic show. Sure it might be a little more at the gate, but you got to pay to play. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by rimrider69:
Maybe USAC should raise the purses. These drivers got to go where the money is. I believe USAC has been paying basically the same for over thirty years, for a basic show. Sure it might be a little more at the gate, but you got to pay to play. Just saying.

Actually the purse is higher than it was 30 years ago. Last I knew it was $5000 to win, 500 to start. There are more $10,000 to win shows than I ever remember. There are 2 in 5 days in May. I realize it's not King's Royal or Knoxville Nationals money, but it's not what it paid 30 years ago.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Actually the purse is higher than it was 30 years ago. Last I knew it was $5000 to win, 500 to start. There are more $10,000 to win shows than I ever remember. There are 2 in 5 days in May. I realize it's not King's Royal or Knoxville Nationals money, but it's not what it paid 30 years ago.

Year Races Total Pay AVG Pay per Race
2010 39 $914,325.00 $23,444.23
2011 36 $870,200.00 $24,172.22
2012 39 $956,975.00 $24,537.82
2013 33 $835,300.00 $25,312.12
2014 32 $799,100.00 $24,971.88
2015 39 $983,500.00 $25,217.95
2016 43 $1,146,550.00 $26,663.95
2017 38 $944,500.00 $24,855.26
2018 41 $1,041,280.00 $25,397.07
2019 36 $992,349.00 $27,565.25
2020 27 $755,200.00 $27,970.37
2021 43 $1,202,700.00 $27,969.77
Increase in pay 2010 vs. 2021 16%

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Originally Posted by spankytoo:
Year Races Total Pay AVG Pay per Race
2010 39 $914,325.00 $23,444.23
2011 36 $870,200.00 $24,172.22
2012 39 $956,975.00 $24,537.82
2013 33 $835,300.00 $25,312.12
2014 32 $799,100.00 $24,971.88
2015 39 $983,500.00 $25,217.95
2016 43 $1,146,550.00 $26,663.95
2017 38 $944,500.00 $24,855.26
2018 41 $1,041,280.00 $25,397.07
2019 36 $992,349.00 $27,565.25
2020 27 $755,200.00 $27,970.37
2021 43 $1,202,700.00 $27,969.77
Increase in pay 2010 vs. 2021 16%

This doesn't even cover inflation at 2.5% per year. No wonder every driver the last two nights has been saying they are happy they are running for more money and have more races. I think Bacon said something about putting food on the table last night. Pretty clear they think they are underpaid.

Too many wing’s series as it is.

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Originally Posted by spankytoo:
year races total pay avg pay per race
2010 39 $914,325.00 $23,444.23
2011 36 $870,200.00 $24,172.22
2012 39 $956,975.00 $24,537.82
2013 33 $835,300.00 $25,312.12
2014 32 $799,100.00 $24,971.88
2015 39 $983,500.00 $25,217.95
2016 43 $1,146,550.00 $26,663.95
2017 38 $944,500.00 $24,855.26
2018 41 $1,041,280.00 $25,397.07
2019 36 $992,349.00 $27,565.25
2020 27 $755,200.00 $27,970.37
2021 43 $1,202,700.00 $27,969.77
increase in pay 2010 vs. 2021 16%

2010 $23,444.23= 30,227.55 2022

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Originally Posted by Kart#51:
This doesn't even cover inflation at 2.5% per year. No wonder every driver the last two nights has been saying they are happy they are running for more money and have more races. I think Bacon said something about putting food on the table last night. Pretty clear they think they are underpaid.

Think you missunderstood his statement as he was happy to have a couple more races in FL to run in only a couple extra days. If you got only three races scheduled in FL. One gets rained out and you do bad one night, You don't make the cost of the trip. let alone car cost, He took the Wedgewood car to run the Extreme races and the Hoffman Car to run the USAC. Thanks to Mr. Gile for letting him fill in. Proved they had a good car too.

So I know a lot of people on this board have their preferences and opinions but Indiana does have a wing sprint car series with the Schaeffer's Oil Indiana Racesaver Sprints. Yes we are racing with 305 engines. But did you know we still turn faster lap times than the non wing 410's? We also race at all the tracks you would want, Terre Haute, Kokomo, Gas City, Circle City, Haubstadt, Florence, Moler, Bloomington, LPS, Paragon (TBA). Additionally, we are all local drivers either racing to make a name or racing to have fun at a much more affordable price than a 360 or 410. Average car counts have been stable around 20 cars for three years now. Give us a chance, maybe you'll find something you like. Check out the schedule on our Facebook or website.

www.indianaracesaversprints.com

PS. If USAC wants to get involved with promotion have them call me, I'm sure we can work out a deal. 🙂

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Think you missunderstood his statement as he was happy to have a couple more races in FL to run in only a couple extra days. If you got only three races scheduled in FL. One gets rained out and you do bad one night, You don't make the cost of the trip. let alone car cost, He took the Wedgewood car to run the Extreme races and the Hoffman Car to run the USAC. Thanks to Mr. Gile for letting him fill in. Proved they had a good car too.

I may have misunderstood, but I don't think I missed the overarching premise of his statements that were he was happy to race for more money or he wouldn't have shown up, regardless of what car, right? $5K for second.... that's a USAC win. $2K for 5th that equals a runner up in USAC. I'm not down there and the group I'm associated with said money has been the talk of the week.

I would ask you this....if you feel like you are adequately paid in your job do mention how much you are paid?
Does Donny Schatz or Brad Sweet ever say anything about money in an interview?

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Originally Posted by Kart#51:
I may have misunderstood, but I don't think I missed the overarching premise of his statements that were he was happy to race for more money or he wouldn't have shown up, regardless of what car, right? $5K for second.... that's a USAC win. $2K for 5th that equals a runner up in USAC. I'm not down there and the group I'm associated with said money has been the talk of the week.

I would ask you this....if you feel like you are adequately paid in your job do mention how much you are paid?
Does Donny Schatz or Brad Sweet ever say anything about money in an interview?

All I am saying is it's additional $$ to be made. While nice I don't see how any of these races (For now) pay anywhere close to say the USAC Nationals at Husets. I think USAC has a room for improvement that doesn't hurt their bottom line much . I think every sprint week race could probably pay a third more thru the pack and the promoters would still do well by it. (I say this because it's typically about a thousand more attend than a reg usac show.) Of course some tracks are only doing well on USAC and other specials and breaking even or less on the regular shows.

I see nothing but good from XOS. Could see a three night deal at say THAT of MSCS night one, XOS night two and USAC night three, Switch it up every year on the headline series. Everyone gets their series in the spotlight more fans attending, bigger purses. Or say a East meets west battle USAC and BoSS vs XOS and WAR.

I
Just speculating where it could go, The cost of running these cars only keeps compounding.

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27,969,77 - 23,444.23 = 4525.54 ./. by 12 yrs =377.12 ./. 24 cars = $ 15.71 per car for 12 yrs