Tulsa Shootout - entries. Also Kyle Busch racing 4 divisions
 

Tulsa Shootout - Record number of entries. Entries per division in picture attached below.

Also in other news 2x NASCAR Cup champion Kyle Busch is entered in 4 different divisions for Tulsa Shootout racing for Joe B. Miller. His son Braxton is racing in the Junior Sprint division.

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This is just insame all the racing they are starting with early this morning till saturday night. Talk about a nice holiday gift if you have flo. 39 nw heats and all the other heats to follow.

It says 1690 entries…. So does that mean there are 1690 cars there? Or could 1 car be entered in multiple classes? If that is the case how many cars are there?

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Kyle Busch won his heat race coming from 8th to 1st.

You can run the same car in the winged and non-winged outlaw and A-Class. The year J-Mac hit everyone’s radar, he won all of his Drillers using the same A-Class legal car.

Jr Sprints are a chassis all to themselves.

Restrictor cars are A-Class legal (and Outlaw legal for that matter), but you’d have to pull out the restrictors each time you ran.

There definitely aren’t 1600+ cars there.

Not a bad deal 1690x$ 125 entry fee.
(211,250) just in entry fees.

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Wonder how the payout is?

Read somewhere a $1000 a class to win and $100 to start the A main.

Don’t forget pit stall rental fee. Possible $1000 for the semi trailers sizes? Maybe someone can post details of pit space rental fees.

Not much room in there for semis (unlike the Chili Bowl). It’s not 1600 cars, but it’s way more than 400. Pits are configured differently. But your point about revenue is valid. Pit stall fees are significant, as is the back gate. With micro racing, it’s ALWAYS about the back gate.

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Those entry fees may have just paid for the lease on the building. Everyone likes to talk about how much money they bring in, but no one talks about how much money it cost.

Great point 74. In fact I was in the process of a post about that last night but my eyelids got in the way. I’m sure the overhead for this event is HUGE! Are they making money? I’m sure they are. We probably will never know. It would be nice if we did but I’m not sure it’s anyone’s business but the people involved. I’ve often wondered about their deal with the Expo. Is it municipally owned? I would think that Tulsa would not ever want to lose what has to be a boon to their economy every January

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A group of us went on the bus trip out to the Zink Ranch 3 years ago. Following the spaghetti luncheon Emmett Hahn took questions from the audience for a half hour or so. Someone asked about the expense regarding the building. I'm depending on memory here but I believe he stated that the rental for the building was just short of 1/4 million at that time. I'm sure that amount increases on a regular basis.

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[quote=nathans1012;547461]Tulsa Shootout - Record number of entries. Entries per division in picture attached below.

Is there some place that shows a comparison of these five classes?
Engine, Engine Modifications, Winged or Non-wing, Wing Size, Tires, Shocks, Cockpit Controls.

What I heard years ago was The Shootout covers the expenses, and The Chillibowl, for the most part was all profit.

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The Tulsa Expo Center is owned by Tulsa County and is leased to and operated by the Tulsa County Public Facilities Authority (TCPFA). We love to manage public endeavors (fairgrounds, hospitals, turnpikes, hydroelectric dams, etc.) in Oklahoma with "authorities" because it allows us to hide public money and power in quasi-governmental agencies that don't fall directly under public control...

BUT, to answer your question, YES, the City of Tulsa and the County of Tulsa know what they have in The Shootout and The Chili Bowl. It's not quite as prolific as Indy, but when you arrive at the Tulsa Airport in late December and early January, you know there's a big racing event happening. Maybe one day they'll actually get temporary car displays like they have at the Indy airport, but for that to happen, Emmett is going to have to hang around a little longer.

Why does this happen you may next ask? Because The Shootout and The Chili Bowl have been PROMOTED by a professional PROMOTOR for the past 35+ years. Emmett (and Lanny) called on city and county officials, politicians, civic and business organizations and media outlets to PROMOTE their events, thus ensuring that these entities clearly understood the VALUE that these events serve to meeting their mutual goals. Selling is all about understanding what your customer "wants", what is a "win" for them. Selling "racing" to politicians, city leaders, business leaders and local media is about selling tourism, prestige, revenue, and public interest. They don't care about "racing cars" or fierce on-track competition. They care about:

1. How many people will visit our city and spend their out-of-town money at our businesses?
2. Is this a noteworthy event that can gain our city/county/state notoriety?
3. Can I get media ratings for reporting on the event (thus driving up my advertising revenue)?

They would be just as happy for the Expo Center to be used for a world class cow chip throwing competition if it brings in thousands out-of-town guest who spend thousands of dollars a day for a week, and gets dozens of media outlets talking about how "Tulsa is the place to be if you like..."

Will it always be like this? NO. You have to work every year to remind these people why it is important to them. Politicians get voted out (thankfully). Officials retire and are replaced by new people. Public sentiment shifts. You constantly have to remind people why what you're doing is important and why it benefits THEIR true interests. The "racing" is only of interest to us. Our willingness to travel to Tulsa annually and spend money at the Expo Center for $8 beers and $15 shots and $10 chicken strip baskets (these are 2019 prices, I'm sure they'll be significantly higher this year...) are the reason the TCPFA like The Shootout and The Chili Bowl. Our willingness to spend hundreds of dollars at all the local hotels and motels is the reason the Metro Tulsa Hotel and Lodging Association and their members love The Shootout and The Chili Bowl. Our joy in spending hundreds of dollars at local restaurants is the reason the Oklahoma Restaurant Association and their members embrace The Shootout and The Chili Bowl. Our unbridled passion to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on entertainment after a night of racing is the reason the Lipstick Cabaret loves The Chili Bowl.

So you see, successful race promotion isn't JUST about a tacky, two groove track.

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[quote=The Old Coyote;547501]Basically, Jr Sprints are a class all to themselves. Smaller, specialized chassis (smaller than micro, different from a QM or a caged kart), 8" wheels, B&S World Formula engines.

Micro 600 restrictor, A-Class, non-wing, outlaw and non-wing outlaw are all the same micro 600 chassis with side mounted 4-cylinder, water-cooled, chain driven motorcycle engines. 10" wheels. Restrictor, A-Class and non-wing are all "stock" engines with either carburetors or factory electronic injection. Restrictors and A-Class run wings, non-wing (obviously?) do not. Restrictors have calibrated restrictors installed in the intake to reduce the airflow.

Outlaw and non-wing outlaw are allowed 2 millimeter overbore, ported heads, mechanical or electronic fuel injection and cockpit adjustable everything. The Outlaw wing is bigger than the A-Class.

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[quote=Pitdad;547505]Thanks, Pitdad, that was very helpful and make my viewing more interesting. I like the cars as much as the racing in all forms of racing.

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And remember the drivers of those Jr Sprints are 6-11 years old, and restrictors are 8-16.

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Expo Center rental fees

Whole building $26530 daily or 10% of gross ticket sales whichever is greater
Utility charge $1630 daily
HVAC fees if requested $142 per hour

All concessions go to Expo Center

Mandatory employees:

Expo Square Officer $24.00 per hour
Expo Square Officer – Supervisor $26.00 per hour
Tulsa Police Department Officer $38.00 per hour
Tulsa Police Department Officer – Supervisor $45.00 per hour
T-Shirt Security $17.00 per hour
T-Shirt Security – Supervisor $24.00 per hour
Ticket Agent $17.00 per hour
Ticket Agent – Supervisor $42.00 per hour
Usher $17.00 per hour
Usher – Supervisor $24.00 per hour
Ticket Taker $17.00 per hour
Ticket Taker – Supervisor $24.00 per hour
IT Support – After Hours $50.00 per hour
Electrician $80.00 per hour
Plumber $72.00 per hour

Would hate to guess what insurance per day is. General liability and workman's comp insurance is required with $1 million Combined Single Limit liability coverage

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I wonder what the "T-shirt security" guy does? & how about his $24/hr. supervisor? \
Sounds like my kinda job! :10:

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I have raced the Shootout several times in the Lightning Sprint class. Parking is free but you only get one spot per car, I believe they were 8ft wide X 10ft deep and you had to stay in your spot. If you wanted to bring in your trailer you had to have enough cars/spots to park your trailer in. so if you have a 20ft long trailer you need at least 3 cars so you can park the trailer in those spots. If you wanted you could pay $1000 and get your trailer and cars in one day early, but you could not get on the track. I saw this year they had 100 paid early entry. You can not run any motors of any kind in the building so if you want electricity for your trailer you have to rent a hook up from the Expo Center, same with the Chili Bowl I think it cost $65 for the week. Also if you want to start your car you have a 15 minute warm up in the morning, the rest of the day you have to push it outside. You only get paid if you make it to the A main in your class and it is $1000 to win and either $100 or $125 to start. And I was also told that the Shootout pays all cost for the Chili Bowl so the Chili Bowl is 100% profit.

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Also the shootout has nowhere near the General Addmission sales the Chili Bowl has. still tons of people in the building. But that's a lot of $$$