World Of Outlaws Non Wing 2022
 

Hearing there is a 2 day non wing show. Coming Soon!

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Originally Posted by Kinser11:
Hearing there is a 2 day non wing show. Coming Soon!

Now this news would get my attention.

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Originally Posted by Kinser11:
Hearing there is a 2 day non wing show. Coming Soon!

Surely you jest.....:5:
Its not April 1st yet

There is an untapped market for it.
I am hoping if they go for it that they would schedule at least 10 shows, maybe 15-ish.
Take care of the racers to get a small core group, strategically schedule and locate events, market/advertise, and the stands will take care of themselves.

A new series or just a one off? Competing with USAC?

Originally Posted by Kinser11:
Hearing there is a 2 day non wing show. Coming Soon!

Even bigger.

https://xtremeoutlawseries.com/news/...te-model-tour/

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Seems like big news, I'm sure a lot is yet to come. I didn't know Shuman was involved in the late model leadership. Another division in sprint cars :7:

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2 nights just before winter dirt games at bubba. May have to change plans.

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Originally Posted by jonboat15:
Seems like big news, I'm sure a lot is yet to come. I didn't know Shuman was involved in the late model leadership. Another division in sprint cars :7:

Whats with the THUMBS DOWN, THIS IS A GREAT THING and if you read it, Really doesn't mess with anything else. Yet gives the boys and ladies some $$ to race for.

A $5k and $10k to win show right off the bat. And this new midget series will have a race at the Ironman which is one of the best weekends of the year. All good news so far.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Whats with the THUMBS DOWN, THIS IS A GREAT THING and if you read it, Really doesn't mess with anything else. Yet gives the boys and ladies some $$ to race for.

I think it has the potential to water down the fields. I think it is a "shot across the bow" aimed at usac. The USA sprints vs. the WoO back in the late 80's separated the fields, not good from a fans pov and don't see how it helped anything.
I would give a thumbs up if there was an event where the WoO winged sprint drivers had to race with and without the wing on the same day. The WoO racing group likes to blab about their roots lets see if they want to go back that far.

Well the division in non wing sprints traveling series can't last long. This will put pressure on USAC marketing, or it'll be the slow death of USAC.

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IF it stays at 10-15 races I think things are ok (maybe better, with the purses, etc) but ya, I agree with things getting watered down...last week everyone was talking about the car count at Gateway...

Everyone will point out all the big field midget races, but you do not have to look too hard to find some lower USAC midget car count nights last year. I will have to look up POWRi on the rare nights they both ran the same night (not too many times) it hurt car counts. If its combo deal where they don't allow the latest and greatest Toyota engine and the newer 2.4 stuff can run in them, than great. The fields might be huge.

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Sounds like an effort to get non-wing sprint and midget fans to subscribe to DirtVision. Flo has something for every market or fan base, and this gives me the impression that WRG wanted something to entice the missing fan bases to subscribe.

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Originally Posted by hoosier race fan:
Sounds like an effort to get non-wing sprint and midget fans to subscribe to DirtVision. Flo has something for every market or fan base, and this gives me the impression that WRG wanted something to entice the missing fan bases to subscribe.

Thats a point and even with it, Im not paying Dirtvisions prices.

This is definitely part of it, but if it means more races that pay greater than $1500 to win it’s all good. It’ll give more opportunities for the non winged guys to race for more money and keep them away from the $1500 to win local shows hopefully which of course waters down the National product.

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Originally Posted by jonboat15:
I think it has the potential to water down the fields. I think it is a "shot across the bow" aimed at usac. The USA sprints vs. the WoO back in the late 80's separated the fields, not good from a fans pov and don't see how it helped anything.
I would give a thumbs up if there was an event where the WoO winged sprint drivers had to race with and without the wing on the same day. The WoO racing group likes to blab about their roots lets see if they want to go back that far.

From the press release:

"Working in conjunction with POWRi and USAC to the extent possible and combining World Racing Group’s already established resources will allow us to expand the sport and provide more entertainment for our fans.”

I’ve been saying for several years that eventually someone would come along and pay more for a non wing series. So what is USAC going to do now ?? USAC has had a ton of excuses why they can’t pay more money. So are they going to step up now and raise the purses ??

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Dirtvision vs FLO is probably part of the equation as well as USAC's history of weak payouts and point funds compared to wing racing (2022 a step in the right direction). Not too many make a living driving in USAC vs the WoO. Also, factor in the recent departure of Levi Jones's leadership. 1978 USAC leadership loss in the plane crash created a void that contributed to the growth of NASCAR, WoO; and the USAC decline from the top. This is a business, so do not expect either side to cooperate and play nice. The fight for tracks, exclusivity, and teams will be intense very soon. Survival of the fittest. Watering down USAC's fields, just when growth is on the upswing, over time will further diminish the USAC's footprint in dirt track, open wheel racing.
Success for World Racing Group also depends upon available non wing and midget cars locally available to run the 10-15 shows AND a purse structure that rewards those local teams to bother to compete as field fillers. A word of caution; I am very concerned about speeds and safety at a place like Volusia once a nw sprinter goes tumbling.

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Originally Posted by Rick Eaton:
From the press release:

"Working in conjunction with POWRi and USAC to the extent possible and combining World Racing Group’s already established resources will allow us to expand the sport and provide more entertainment for our fans.”

Not buying it. Press releases are just words, a form of propaganda that is not always accurate. Maybe I haven't been around the block enough times but its hard for me to remember sanctioning bodies working well together for very long. Its always hugs and kisses at first then things get ugly and very few win. I am curious as to usac's extent of cooperation in conjunction with this effort.

Rumor at PRI was that there is only one conflicting date with USAC. For now……. I thought it was pretty interesting there was no one working at the USAC booth and one of the vendors we deal with said no one had been there all day.

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Hearing this news and reading the press release article makes me wonder one thing. Other then Volusia & I-55 what other tracks did they schedule races at for both the Sprints and Midgets?

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Besides the cooperation quote of the press release, the part I found interesting was that the events would run with current late model and sprint shows. The Outlaws run a lot of half miles and those races traditionally not drawn well for non wing cars. Neither the Outlaws or their Late Model group are super active in this area, so I don't know about shows around here. I don't see Haubstadt using them with the Outlaws, when they own the MSCS. Not sure about Lawrenceburg. Guess we will have to see. USAC is paying more than they ever have, and are coming off a good year. Yes, they will miss Levi, but I felt the same way when Jason McCord left.

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I think, many will be surprised when the scheduled is made public. A few surprise on in.
We will find out if USAC, has their panties in a knot. If they are paying any appearance money for Ocala, will they have stipulations on not running Volusia Speedway Park.

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Originally Posted by Kinser11:
I think, many will be surprised when the scheduled is made public. A few surprise on in.
We will find out if USAC, has their panties in a knot. If they are paying any appearance money for Ocala, will they have stipulations on not running Volusia Speedway Park.

Sounds like you know more about the this and the schedules for both series then you are telling us. :D :32:

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Besides the cooperation quote of the press release, the part I found interesting was that the events would run with current late model and sprint shows.

Track conditions that winged sprints & late models like are not conducive to non wingers, unless it's a momentum track like Eldora. There will be no cushion to lean on, no passing & they'll creep around the track hugging the bottom. This is why I don't support "Eastern Storm" tracks that have winged sprints on the card with them.

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Man.... this reminds me of the WoO Gumout Series wherein they pretty much hammered the All Star Sprints and poached them. I hope all involved can respect each other's interests and schedules. If that happens it will be win-win.

For now.

At least we have something to talk about over the Winter! :32:

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Wow. I was goofing on the original poster but I guess its real
This is the big question: "Working in conjunction with POWRi and USAC to the extent possible"????
So will USAC let its teams run with this sanction??? Will there be competing dates? Where will the cars come from???
VERY interesting development, & a shocker for me.....:18:

Exactly ****** rubberd up tracks after the wings use it up. This won't help grow the fan base when they play follow the leader. And I bet they use straight up starts all night. THAT SUCKS!!

They should make these points races for the full WoO series like it was in the early days. That would be something. As it is, it will be tough for them to draw cars and track conditions could be an issue but I certainly don’t think it will have much affect on USAC.

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Originally Posted by kinser:
Rumor at PRI was that there is only one conflicting date with USAC. For now……. I thought it was pretty interesting there was no one working at the USAC booth and one of the vendors we deal with said no one had been there all day.

That's funny I watched 6 hours of coverage on Flo from the USAC Booth Thursday and Friday.

Originally Posted by RockinRy:
That's funny I watched 6 hours of coverage on Flo from the USAC Booth Thursday and Friday.

So how much coverage did you watch Saturday ???

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I don't know nothin from nothin, Not the $$ man behind any team or sanction. But I've always felt a thousand mile trip for two or three races (That pay only 500 to start) and thats if you make it against the best. IS A TOTAL Money sucker that you have to make if you want in the points race. If this can provide a couple extra opertunities in existing markets. (Like FL where they'll now have five races in sprints and two in midgets in eight days) That can help.

I didn't see anything that said WoO was running them two nights (Mon-Tues) IMO because WRG owns Vollusia now. Its two dates they can put on their schedule for fans to attend if they like. Say they do this for Mon and tues at Knox Nationals too Say the winner of mon and tues gets guaranteed spot for Nationals (A Non Wing qualifying night for the Nationals with 23rd-24th guaranteed start) ? Schedule a couple nights at Jacksonville the week of the USAC Nationals at Hussets.
It could be Win Win.

Will it require a five thousand buy in to run for the points (Or whatever WoO memberships require) Know in WoO they have some guaranteed tow money for top points teams thats higher than the just didn't qualify amount.

Done right at prestigious tracks and decent $$$ it could increase participation. Not water it down.

Time will tell. it will either succeed or fail fairly quickly.

I know one thing, There are several out there capable. Like Ballog, Courtney. etc that aren't running NW and I don't think safety is the main reason.

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As someone else said, I would look for Knoxville on the schedule. I would think Jacksonville as well since they didn't get a WoO show

I don’t think this is necessary and don’t understand the excitement over it. I do agree this probably has something to do with the Flo vs Dirtvision thing. Seems to me if Dirtvision is worried about subscription they should lower their price. It’s also amusing to me that up here in the epicenter of wingless racing, we have some folks say they don’t run Terre Haute because it’s hard on motors. Well than, let’s drive down to Florida and run a track that’s even harder on them from everything I’ve read about it. I don’t trust the Outlaws to do anything to make the racing better either. They do 2 things with their wing series that I hate. They start heat races straight up, and double file restarts. I have absolutely no desire to pay for that

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
I don’t think this is necessary and don’t understand the excitement over it. I do agree this probably has something to do with the Flo vs Dirtvision thing. Seems to me if Dirtvision is worried about subscription they should lower their price. It’s also amusing to me that up here in the epicenter of wingless racing, we have some folks say they don’t run Terre Haute because it’s hard on motors. Well than, let’s drive down to Florida and run a track that’s even harder on them from everything I’ve read about it. I don’t trust the Outlaws to do anything to make the racing better either. They do 2 things with their wing series that I hate. They start heat races straight up, and double file restarts. I have absolutely no desire to pay for that

I think what people forget is Dirtvision was built and funded by the WRG and the profits made are kept in-house. Part of the reason you see the Woo point funds for sprints and late model getting larger each year is due to Dirtvision profits. People complain about Dirtvision prices but I find it great value for what you get and for the money I see them putting back into the series and teams.

Yes, Flo is a great bargain but remember there are many other sports contributing to the bottom line of Flo that keeps it at that great rate of $150.

Really going to be interesting to see the schedule for the Xtreme sprints as I can see some local racers, BOSS, and others signing up for a 10-15 race season if they are running for good money. Also curious if they what the tire situation will be will they be on the Medium or the H15 tires. That could be a factor if guys have to buy different tires to run a show.

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Flo is putting back into racing, Not sure how much or where. But You can't hold two LM races for 50k and sprint races at Eldora for 50k (Governors Reign) without fans paying somewhere.

Say you can get 150.000 to sign up to FLO worldwide. (Between sprints, midgets and LM's alone thats not unthinkable) Thats over 22 million a year. Now add in a couple dozen sports they pay nothing into but get membership for. The numbers could be staggering.

All I'm saying by this, By being affordable. More sign up, If its 3-4-500 dollars, I'll just go to a kings royal or port big weekend instead. Streaming is good for keeping track but nowhere near the in person experience. Also with Flo you can go to a race, come home and watch four more.

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The lower the price, the more you sell.

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Remember fellas...no guy starts out screwing your wife....he becomes your friend first :).......the WoO will put USAC in the back seat and it would not surprise me that when stuff gets real, USAC licenses their name and logo to the WoO. Just my humble opinion. I love USAc and have supported them for years but am not naive' enough to think this is anything more than a takeover move.

I read about rumors that the announcement was going to be that WRG was going to buy USAC outright. Who knows if that’s true but that’s certainly possible that this is the first step towards WRG trying to become the leader of the “traditional” sprint car industry.