What do you think. Does every tip over warrant a red. Do we really need to go red every time a car is upside down. I have mixed feelings and can see both sides, but what do you think.

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Yes, track workers do not need the distraction of moving vehicles while attending to the driver and calling in safety equipment. Ninety percent of safety rules are signed in blood.

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No. If it's a tip, slow roll, etc and the driver is not in danger of getting hit in the cage, leave it yellow. No different than a spinout

Originally Posted by markd:
No. If it's a tip, slow roll, etc and the driver is not in danger of getting hit in the cage, leave it yellow. No different than a spinout

Yes always. Better safe than sorry, unless of course you want to assume that responsibility.

Yes. If a car is not on its wheels go red.

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When a car flips several people get there asap. They need confedence to focus on the situation at hand without distractions. Id think the driver would draw comfort knowing the cars are stopped even for a tip over

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It is tempting to just do a yellow flag. Especially, if the track is short push trucks. However, I remember seeing a fire fighter get hit at Tri City Speedway during a Midget Gold Crown event. I thought for sure that he was not going to make it. There was a car with an oil fire and he ran onto the track before it was clear and was hit by an oncoming car. It was very scary.

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Any type of flip whether the car tipped over or flipped 100% red. A tipped over car has a lot higher chance of fuel or oil to leak and cause a fire, than a car that just spun. With going yellow, it'd be much harder for the safety crew to get to the car.

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:24: Always, safety comes first

What drives me crazy is that the emergency vehicles leave their flashing lights on when they are on the track and all of the cars have stopped. I was knocked unconscious during a flip at Putnamville in a sprint car. When I came to, all of the flashing lights really freaked me out. Anyone who has been in a racing accident knows that your adrenaline is really pumping and the flashing light do not help. EMT’s, thank you for all that you do, but as soon as you are out of harms way, turn off your lights. It will make everyone in the stands calm down too.

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Red flag use is not mandatory for rollovers at the Chili Bowl. What is different there than anywhere else?

Not quibbling, just curious.

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Originally Posted by ISF:
Red flag use is not mandatory for rollovers at the Chili Bowl. What is different there than anywhere else?

Not quibbling, just curious.

Maybe because it would take a month to complete? Still dangerous.

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Originally Posted by ISF:
Red flag use is not mandatory for rollovers at the Chili Bowl. What is different there than anywhere else?

Not quibbling, just curious.

While some may argue there is a difference, the simple truth is that there is not. Flips at the Chili Bowl are no different than flips at any other track. Some of the nastiest wrecks and flips that I have seen have been at Tulsa and, in contrast, it is also not uncommon for cars that have flipped to be pushed off to continue the race.
That being said, there is no reason that there should be a one-size-fits-all rule for this. The red flag rule came from the early days when cars had bolt on cages or no roll cages at all. Of course, a flip was far more serious in those days and red flags were necessary in nearly all of these incidents. By no means am I saying that red flags should never happen, but in many situations, they are simply not necessary. The flag man and other track personnel should have some discretion in situations were a car merely tips over.

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Because they run the cars though the infield. Thatb keeps the area of the track clear for the saftey crew.

No matter what there should be a red. Obliviously some of the people commenting have never seen an official or a track worker killed.

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Red. Best solution. I can wait for the cars to be pushed off after the tipsy-turvey, easy rollover, or monsterous multi-flip.

Good question, though.

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As a driver who has been sitting in the car upside down after an easy roll with fuel leaking on to my neck and then into my helmet I was really glad they went red and got to me as soon as they could to get me out of there.

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+1

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If a car is on its side, the top of the cage could be exposed to traffic. That's not a good place to get hit, even at yellow flag speeds.

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Originally Posted by Rim Rider:
What drives me crazy is that the emergency vehicles leave their flashing lights on when they are on the track and all of the cars have stopped. I was knocked unconscious during a flip at Putnamville in a sprint car. When I came to, all of the flashing lights really freaked me out. Anyone who has been in a racing accident knows that your adrenaline is really pumping and the flashing light do not help. EMT’s, thank you for all that you do, but as soon as you are out of harms way, turn off your lights. It will make everyone in the stands calm down too.

That's a tough ask...as it goes against EVERYTHING they're trained to do the 98% of the week they're NOT at a race track.