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So this past evening, the WOO returned to the track that hosted their very first race, The Devils Bowl in Mesquite Texas. This got me thinking back to the good ol days. Some folks that are relatively new to the sport, might not know that there was a time when the Outlaws ran without the unnecessary air assistance device’s that are mandatory today. The track designated the requirement for wings. The closest track to us that ran the World of Outlaws was the late great Santa Fe Speedway. I’m sure at least one, but maybe 2 of their first races in Hinsdale were wingless. My point is, wouldn’t it be great if it were still that way. Could you imagine an Outlaw weekend through Indiana where they shedded the billboards and roughed it up with the USAC and local regulars. I would pay to see that! Anyway, do any of you fine folks have any memories of going to an early Outlaw show that was run topless? Would love to hear it

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I went to a late-season race at Ascot one year (Pacific Coast Open maybe?) that was sanctioned by WOO and non-wing; if I remember Steve Kinser (Karl Kinser 11) beat local CRA hero Buster Venard (Elias Ready Mix 4) by inches at the line. May have been the other way around but I do remember the place was packed and when they came to the checkers you had no choice but to stand up because the bodies on either side of you were squeezing you like the bun of a hotdog and when they stood, you stood. Still one of the most exciting races I ever attended.

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The first Outlaw race I saw was at Kokomo. It was wingless. Steve beat his Dad Bobby in the feature. Don't think we will ever see the outlaws with out wings. They are a great billboard for advertising. I feel like that is why NASCAR became more popular than Indycar. Corporations put more money into stockcars, because their logos were bigger on the cars. The Outlaws race Saturday night was pretty good from what I saw.

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I miss Santa Fe Speedway. Being so close to home plus Howard was one hell of a promoter.

I remember going to paragon and watching it evolve, Boom Boom Cannon, Kinser, and the rest were just starting with the first homemade plywood wings, boy that was a while back. I also remember the rear engine indy car that YehDone ran, that Chuck Buzak built and ran at Indy, which I was very happy to help him build, long ago.

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Santa Fe had an aura of lore and like most everyone else I loved the place. Got in on the last half dozen or so years of it's existence. Never got to see the WoO's at Santa Fe but it had to be one of the first tracks in Illinois to host a WoO sanctioned event.

We saw some great USAC Sprint Car shows and several of the 200 lap National Clay Track Championship's featuring the dirt late models. I even got to see a USAC Stock Car show at Santa Fe during the time when the short lived non descript looking generic late models were a USAC division after they (USAC) did away with the full bodied stock cars similar to NASCAR Cup division. Kevin Gundaker muscled up on Billy Moyer during the last lap and passed Moyer. One of the only times I ever remember seeing Moyer thoroughly pissed off and hit a guy on the cool down lap!!

The actual racing at Santa Fe was as often than not outflanked by the aura and lore. The place used to get like a skating rink, especially on the south end of the bigger track that was also used as part of the 1/4 mile.

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One of my favorite memories of all time is from Santa Fe. The first night of a two-day show, one of the cars was particularly slow. Looked like a slowly moving speed bump on the track. He is lucky that someone didn't run over him. I got there early enough for hot laps the second night. Suddenly, this same car came onto the track and set the track on fire. Only then did the announcer tell us there had been a driver change. Rich Vogler was driving the car that night, and drive it he did! That night I once again appreciated his greatness.

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This brings back memories. First saw Woo at Baylands Raceway Park in Fremont CA. Spent almost all my summer nights there for 7 years. Remember talking for several minutes with Dave Blaney one year about Carbon Fiber as we were doing some work with that at the time for our work. Saw a ton of great drivers there and still a bit peeved at the track closing.

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First year several tracks at the same time could host a WoO race. Much like UMP Points.

Late eighties USAC did a promoters choice for Wing or not for a couple years and several all stars joined the shows that were wing.

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Had the pleasure as a senior in high school to attend the first WoO race at Devil's Bowl. One my heroes Tom Corbin, who I consider one of the very best ever to race a sprint car, finished third. Rode down with Ray Marler who now runs I-55 Raceway (Pevely) for Schrader. Ray actually replaced Corbin with Schrader a few years later in his 14 sprint car.

Jimmy Boyd won without a wing.

I still have my t-shirt from that day. It says .. "World of Outlaws Run Whacha Brung" and has a wing car on front and a non-wing car on the back.

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I was at a big wing Woo show at devils bowl around 1980. The NCRA? champ cars from Oklahoma I believe had a race the next day. They had practice with the Woo the night before and Sammy dumped one off 4. The Nance #1. The only other champ car silver crown type division I can remember. I remember Woo running New Breman without wings.

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That’s cool, does the shirt still fit? :D

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Don't 4get about the Silver Crown division that was formed when usac had the NASCAR track car...

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You mean Boyd ran wingless & beat cars with wings???? :9:
Or were they all wingless?

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Now THAT'S funny! :8:

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All were wingless. Boyd was driving the Kenny Woodruff 21. No, I wasn't there but saw that combination race a bunch at West Capital back in the day.

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Post of the year belongs to the Chief!!!

I dug it out not long ago. I'm thinking did I really used to be that small?

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Cant quite remember the exact time, was at Devils Bowl, Sammy was in the Bruce Cogle sponsored #44. Remember always rooting for Johnny Suggs. Local Steve Perry was a Hot shoe. The year and a half was in Dallas area we usually went to Buffalo Park in Carrolton, but always tried to take in 3 shows at the Bowl

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I think those shirts shrink up over time. I have a bin full of some like that.

When Aaron bought FAST, I had hoped he would be able to do some overlapping with his BOSS series to have maybe have an "overall" point series. But I don't know many who run both disciplines.

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Thanks for the clarification. It would have been awesome if he beat wingers!
Back to the original idea, I remember reading Karl Kinser at some point saying he wouldn't run a wingless car anymore because of safety issues. Thats probably still true with a lot of the WoO teams, which would make a "mixed" schedule impossible, as much as we'd like it. Even The Great Larson doesn't want to run wingless any more (or does his NASCAR team forbid it?)

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If you notice Larson usually runs for people he has a past friendship with, when he runs open wheel cars. Although he had success in non wing cars, he didn't really run them a lot. Some of the people he had the most success with aren't involved any more. A few years ago I asked him if his contract didn't allow him to drive them. He said no, he could. Not sure about today.

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Outlaws just announced the 2022 schedule. 2 new $100k to win races (Husets and Eldora HBO) plus $1m point fund. I don't see them taking the wings off anytime soon.

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You're right!
Not gonna happen...I wish they'd get rid of the 3 point shot in basketball too, but that ain't happening either....:(

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I saw Larson win the Ultimate Challenge (wingless) at Oskaloosa twice. I think I vaguely recall him & Rico running at Kokomo, but i might be hallucinating on that one.... ;)

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Yea, he won at Osky in 2011 & 2012, in the Hoffman #69 Mean Green car. http://kylelarsonracing.com/old/2011...eChallenge.htm
Still wondering about Kokomo... its been a while

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Yea, he's run Kokomo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRBl4_4uHI
Not sure when I was there, I might be able to look it up. I kept a log when I used to migrate cross country every summer

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The people who worked on the Hoffman car don't maintain that car anymore. Brady and his guys do. Kyle ran a few times at Kokomo in a car sponsored by Abreu Vineyards. Never saw Rico run non wing at Kokomo. Only remember him running at non wing at Calistoga.

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What about Midgets? Did Rico run them at Kokomo?

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When Larson crashed the Hoffman car during Eldora 4 Crown and can't remember the exact year I looked at my Frolic friends and said "that will be the last time we see Larson in a non-wing sprint." It was a true statement. It was either 2016 or 2017.

I think 2012, but that’s just my foggy memory

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Yes Rico has run a Midget at Kokomo. I was there. It's been a few years since then.

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Yes Rico has run and won at Kokomo in a midget

I saw many non-wing WoO races at Knoxville and at least one at Des Moines. We didn’t attend winged races so I only saw them without. They were our heroes the same as the USAC guys. They all started out without wings so I don’t think they cared one way or the other until the deaths and injuries started piling up. Ted Johnson couldn’t promote the stars if they were in the hospital. It was really cool seeing them run wingless though. Without wings I’d say Kinser, Wolfgang and Opperman were probably the best of the best, followed closely by Eddie Leavitt, Bubby Jones, Sammy Swindell, Lealand Mc Spadden, Ron Shuman and in the last few years, Tim Green. There were many other greats and the USAC list was awesome then too. Good times!