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BOSS At Twin Cities August 28 Postponed
In a joint agreement between BOSS promoter, Aaron Fry, and Twin Cities Raceway Park promoter, Tim Keithley, the Saturday, August 28th event has been postponed. This event was added to the original MPD Racing BOSS schedule to fill a date left open on short notice. It is much easier to fill a hole in a schedule on paper during the off season. However, in reality, it is best if the major players in this sport can work together and make moves for the benefit of all involved.
This will allow more race teams and fans the opportunity to attend the USAC / Kokomo Smackdown the next three days. With the BOSS tour and the FAST tour booked up through October 16th, TCRP and tour officials are looking at booking the show on a different weekend in 2022. The next event at Twin Cities will be September 11th for the Family Chrysler Dodge Jeep Crate 50 that will also include the modifieds, super stocks, pure stocks, hornets and crown vics. The next BOSS event will be Saturday, September 18th at Fremont Speedway in Fremont, Ohio in a doubleheader with the FAST tour.
We want to offer our sincere apologies for the delay in announcing this cancellation, but it was NOT a decision made in haste or taken lightly. We wish everyone a safe and fun weekend, wherever their travels may lead.

Well that just blew any racing plans I had for the weekend.

Hmmmm Twin Cities and BOSS are major players? Ok. What about the other classes that just found themselves out a race? MMSA, TQs and mods.

We saw that Lincoln Park has invited MMSA to run with them on Saturday. That is where we will be. Probably cross TCRP off the list of tracks to support in the future.

Hadn't been to TCRP in 4 years,was looking forward to going and seeing the BOSS series compete,not now,spend our $$$ w/LPS now.

And in the "Danged if you do,Danged if you don't category"...Haven't I recently heard people complain about tracks scheduling against Smackdown??? Boy it must be great to be a promoter...NOT!

I think it’s a great move and wish other tracks would consider not scheduling over top of large events such as ISW and the Smackdown.

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So where are the other seventy cars supposed to race that know they got little shot at making the feature of a USAC race?

Last 2 years Boss ran on Saturday with Smackdown. Our plan was to run Boss. Got Paragon on Friday Lps on Saturday.

I would 20 or so would race the smackdown and the other 50 have an off weekend. I know not many agree with my stance but I hate seeing big events being ran against. To each their own

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$1500 to start isn't bad

Iam glad someone else thinks outside the box

You nailed it

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The Beach or to dinner with their family.

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In my opinion, this is one of the most fun "big event" races in the area. The smackdown has an awesome atmosphere & energy all weekend long. Being a local driver myself, I agree with the idea of other tracks not scheduling against large events like this IF usac/kokomo would make it worth it for local guys to come. I think if they want to get everyone behind a big event like this they need to do a similar pay structure to Knoxville's Corn Belt nationals.
Knoxville - $600 just to start the B-main
Kokomo - $150 for all non transfers

If the smackdown made it worth the local guys to show up, I would 100% support all tracks not scheduling against it. Until then I understand why they still do. Just my 2 cents but I think they are happy with current car counts and feel no need to make this change but think this could be an even larger event if they wanted it to.

So you would rather drive to Knoxville, IA for $600 to start the B Main rather than drive to Kokomo, IN for $150 to the start the B Main & $1,500 to start the feature?

If all the local fans who are going to watch a sprint race in person this weekend spent their money at Kokomo maybe the $150 non transfer could be bumped up. 100 extra fans at Kokomo at $35 each is potentially $3,500 more dollars that could grow the purse.

I understand where you’re coming from as I was a very low buck local racer for years but the difference is a large percentage of smack down cars come from Indiana whereas Knoxville has an equally large percentage of cars that come from outside Iowa.

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Good post. I think it wouldn't take a bunch more cars or fans to make that happen. I also think the more car and fan participation you get, the more sponsorhip deals can come in.

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I am not saying I would rather do one or the other. I have gone to both and treat them as a vacation so both are equally as great to me. It was easier to justify Knoxville because it paid so well deep into the field.
I am just comparing the two events since they are both "big ticket" events for USAC & how the locals out there are willing to come race with big names fully knowing they aren't likely to make a show as well as some locals from around here willing tow out there for it.
I feel if smackdown were to follow more of a pay out scale like Knoxville then maybe locals around here would be more willing to come. Also there might me drivers from farther away that have heard how great Kokomo is but live to far away to come for a Sunday show but a big paying 4 day show that they can turn into a vacation and still cover some cost would be worth making the drive. Similar to how Knoxville was for me.

Would something like this work? If you run the first two nites you get $300 for missing the show on Saturday instead of the Usac $150. That would be close to start money at all the local tracks around here. I personally enjoyed Boss being at Smackdown.

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Got nothing against the Smack down, Wish it well and 1500 to start is great money for last. You do potentially have to race three days to get that though.

My personal situation doesn't allow me to get more than a little over a hour from home with family member health.

Bottom line, While I was going to go to a race this weekend, Now i am not..

Hope everyone has a good weekend

Or you could take $500 from each A-main starting position and be able to pay 44 non transfer cars $400 instead of $150 and still pay $1000 to start.

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Here's my idea:

Since the Saturday night Smackdown finale is based on points earned the first two nights, set a demarcation at a certain position in the points after the completion of Friday, and then have two parallel events on Saturday.

For example: At the end of Friday's events, the top, let's say, 24 are locked in to the USAC Smackdown. The preliminaries would be the King of the Hill and two Qualifiying races. All remaining cars are entered in a separate Saturday event that I'll call "The Indiana State Championship". It would be a non-USAC event that paid, maybe $5,000 to win. It would be a standard format event.

It's just an idea that would need some tweaking and massaging, but I think something like that would draw most of the sprint cars in 5-hour radius and some travelers like Dues was talking about. :16

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USAC helped develop and build this event, and you think a way to make it bigger is to exclude them to please people who aren't participating? Just curious have you ever been to this event? And can you guarantee it would even work? Seems if I was a small working class team, I would want USAC involved, if for nothing else the insurance is better.

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I never said I would exclude USAC, Brent. Maybe you should reread what I wrote.

Yes, I have been to Smackdown. And every other established major event on USAC's calendar.

No, I can not guarantee it would work; once again, I never alluded to any such thing.

"Working class" teams run without USAC's insurance 99% of their existences.

Thanks for raining on my parade, Brent. A more concructive reply would've been fun, though. :8::32:

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Wasn't trying to rain on your parade. I just don't think you can grow an event, by adding an event where a person could make more than people in the event. Also that is a lot of money to add to what is pretty high purse to pay. Ticket prices are reasonable, a real bargain if you buy in advance. They would have to be increased, which I doubt would be offset by more paying fans.

FYI everyone. I-96 in Michigan ran non wing sprints last night .

6 cars


Maybe BOSSTwin Cities made the right call

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When Kokomo ran BOSS at Smackdown, the winner of the BOSS race made more money than people "in the event" (Smackdown itself). So it's already happened before, Brent. It was 2018 and Saturday admission was $35. What is the admission price tonight? $35.

Got anymore bunk reasons why it won't work?

Having just attended the Knoxville Nationals, I get confused when I see statements/questions like this. 101 cars participated at Knoxville over the opening 2 qualifying days. 71 of those cars failed to qualify for the Saturday “A” feature or first 10 spots of the Saturday “B” feature. Now, I know that even the “C” feature Saturday night at Knoxville pays 5th place more than the winner gets for a Saturday night feature win at most tracks in IN. I get that, but there were guys racing at Knoxville that had no prayer of advancing out of the “E” feature, and I have to believe they knew that before they ever unloaded on their first night, yet they were there racing and competing.

We’ve attended the Knoxville Nationals off and on since 1986, which was the 25th anniversary race. It’s had it’s ups and downs, but it has always been The “Nationals” for (initially) sprint cars, and now, winged sprint cars. It attracts participants and spectators from around the world, and it attracts sponsors as well. Most sanctioning bodies and tracks of winged racing (even 360 sanctioning bodies) don’t schedule against it.

If every year, just 5 of those “other seventy cars” would come compete, maybe the Smackdown event would grow to where it attracts bigger crowds and bigger sponsors, which equals bigger purses.

Last nights car count of 46 at Smackdown was very good, and there were racers from PA, NJ, and a few from CA, so the event is growing in stature. Hopefully it continues progress.

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Ok for one, there was a significant purse increase this year. There was no increase in prices. 50% higher to win. 50% higher to start. I always buy mine in advance and the price was $85. I assumed you would want the extra race to pay decent through the field, so with $5000 to win you would be looking at a USAC sprint type purse. I would think a it would take a price increase to offset that kind of cost. Of course you could rent a track like say Lawrenceburg, which has more seats, promote this show and see how it goes. I promise I would buy a ticket.