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Fred what is so special about a Honda "F" series engines?

I googled "F" Series Honda engine and came up with SOHC engine.

Would it be more impressive if they allowed a DOHC engine? Then

I would say "Hell....o Honda"..lol!

Sincerely,

Larry Otani:applaud:

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Wasn't a Honda engine original discussed as the spec engine for the now Focus series?

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This is good news, there are plenty of these engines available for not much $$$. Hopefully they will allow it ro run. The Subaru and Quad 4 were also good but USAC made them illegal. :doh: Maybe a working man could run midgets again!:thumb

Bob Shutt

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Well, since they're leaving F1 they need some place to play.

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Ive always said that a Honda B18 non Vtec bored to 1.98 litres would be almost unstoppable down the front stretch at Phoenix.

Could you imagine over 300hp with 13,000 rpms?

Not to mention, one can build a full dry sump, forged rods, pistons, & crank.... all aluminum engine for around $12,000.... BRAND NEW.

Moroso, Dart and Eagle make all the parts already.

If you didn't want to do that, just buy a B18 non vtec from the junk yard, throw some ARP hardware into her, some good rods and pistons, and go racing. The thing will support 10,000 rpms with the stock block.

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Isn't this the same engine that some guys have been running (and winning with) in BCRA on the West Coast? Also, Skeet Bushor from PBH Indy ( pbhindy.com ) has been developing one, and running in throughout Indiana. The basic version without all the fancy titanium should be under 20k from what I hear while still putting out plenty of horses to be competitive on short tracks. Certainly better than dropping 40k or more on some of the other midget engines that are available these days.

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It has won a couple of races on the west coast but I believe it's been temperamental in development. If someone gets it figured out, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be competitive in POWRi or BMARA.

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I believe you are right. As I remember, that was the original idea but Honda wasn't interested in sponsoring the development or the series.

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I heard last year that Fontana was supposed to be working with Honda Racing Development to debut the new USAC legal motor. Kind of their answer to Toyota's midget motor

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Did you hear this from Santa Claus? Honda has never been interested in the Midget division.

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Now that Toyota is there maybe Honda is rethinking this. Afterall Toyota and Honda look for opportunities to beat on each other.

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"GOOD-BYE" Honda! :moon: That's what we should be saying. We as AMERICANS should not be supporting these "FOREIGN" manufacturing companies! These are the same companies that are crippling the American Automotive industry. Good Luck to all who are supporting "AMERICAN" rides!!!!! :thumb

Mike Cray

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they build more cars here than the big 3 do

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Maybe so but, where does their money and profitable income go? OVERSEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not AMERICA!!!!

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Some money goes overseas and some stays here. They have created many jobs here and jobs are what should be important to the country, not the homebase of the corporation. We have many foreign companies bringing jobs to America while we have American companies taking jobs overseas.

Chevy sells a car called the Aveo. The Aveo is basically built in an Asian country and retagged as a Chevy. Not much of that profit stays here either.

That said, I think the American car companies have received some bad press as their cars are not as bad as people believe. Much of their money problems are the result of being too good to their workers and not watching the bottom line.

For some reason, American cars don't seem cool to the people of America. They think they aren't as good or save as much gas as the Japanese cars. There is also this perception that the Japanese are more efficient and are more innovative. I don't buy that necessarily, but Detroit is bad at conveying a different message.

A personal example for me is that I have owned a couple of used BMW's. With each of them I had an expectation of how they would drive,feel,look, and sound. I had those expectations from seeing and hearing the cars for years. Neither car dissappointed me.(Except how can a car from Germany be so bad in the snow?) They where exactly what I wanted and what I thought they would be. Each year they change the style a bit or the interior a bit, but they keep their essence.

The big 3 have an unprofitable business model right now and it needs to change. Frankly; they also have bad karma as well. They have to start showing the people that what we think about their cars is wrong.

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I have no problem allowing Honda engines into our sport for that matter any engine that fits the rule books. My son is always asking me about different engine and if they could be used. He doesn't ask about Ford's Chevy's or Mopars it's always some kind of Honda Toyota or Nissan so if that's what it takes to get our youth interested in our sport and away from the drifters then I think it should be looked at seriously.

What I have a problem with is corporate funded teams like Mopar Ford Chevy and Toyota in our sport. We talk about big money and I feel this is the reason things have gotten out of control. Maybe it to late but if we want to keep Midget and Sprint car racing grassroots than we need to get the car manufacturer out of the game and keep it to our local engine builder. Here's a thought have you tried to build you own engine it's amazing how much cost can be cut by just assembling you own motor. When your engine needs refreshed take it apart take the part to a respected machine shop or builder to have them checked or machine work done and put it back together. That would take car of that $5 grand or more freshening job.

Look around there are ways to cut the cost of racing.

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What is crippling our auto-makers are bad business practices and unions. The big 3only recently(very recently) started offering things American drivers want....Germany and Japan have been doing it for years. The new Honda Civic Si is an 11 to 1 compression, 200HP 4cylinder with an awesome interior - loaded for under 25K....with reliability that has really only been offered by the American companies in the trucks. Ford sells the Focus in Germany in an all-wheel drive, 5 cylinder turbo version. What do we get here? Yes the Mustang is really a good car - however loaded it will be about 30k+; and does not have the drivability of an Audi or BMW, or the Euro-Spec Focus RS for that matter. The New Cadillac CTS-v should be able to compete with the Acuras, Lexus, Audis etc. However the business model of the us makers is still not profitable. They have let bad union negotiations; bad business decisions and un-innovative(until very recently anyway) designs put themselves in the position. Also - I am sure you are aware that Mercedes, BMW, Honda and Toyota all have major plants in the US that employ thousands. How about High-horsepower, small displacement turbo motors? That creates fuel efficiency and offers a thrilling ride....with the exception of the Saturn Sky - there are none made in the US; however quite a few come from overseas, and they sell....

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Doubt it. Beating Toyota in USAC won't grab the headlines like beating them in NASCAR or IRL.


Toyota takes better care of their employees and gives more back to the American peeople than the Big 3 have in 30 years.

Maybe you should ask yourself what buying American really means these days. The only people responsible for crippling the american automotive industry are Ford, GM, and Chrysler.

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Mike, you've lost your mind.

The "Japanese" auto makers have their roots in Japan sure, but a lot of their profits get turned around here in the U.S.

The "Japanese" cars that you see driving around these days are mostly American made.

Your Chevrolet?

Designed, cast, machined, and shipped from...

MEXICO.

Subaru?

Designed in the U.S. and Japan, machined, shipped, and built right here in Indiana.

Viola!

American made car with American Jobs.

Thank your Big 3 "American" car companies for shipping jobs over seas to Mexico, Venezuela, Honduras, Croatia, and a host of other 3rd word countries.

BTW... never seen an Ed Pink midget or a Gaerte Midget 4 banger come straight from Ford or Chevrolet.

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Just my opinion, and I felt like sharing it. I have worked for both foreign (Daimlar-Benz) and American (Chrysler) automotive companies and I would have to say the American owned company is by far better (reliability,worker rights, profit sharing,etc.). The foreign company just bled us out and you get NOTHING! And that is a fact!

Mike Cray :rolling

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Well, how about a truly All-American Solution? This week at the PRI Trade show in Orlando, Revolution Racing Engines is rolling out the All-new RRE / Chevy ECOtec Midget engine. I've been listening to what the average Midget racer wants in an engine for 10 years now, and we think that this engine will deliver.

It's made in America by an American Manufacturer. It features state-of-the-art technology. It's light. It's powerful. It is reliable. And, it will deliver more power for less money than anything you have seen before.

Now, it IS different... and for some of you it will take some getting used to. For one thing, it's got electronic fuel injection. But we didn't just adapt something from a street car, we designed a racing system from the ground up and we think it's awesome. All we're asking for now is to just give us a chance to show you what this thing can do. Honda makes good stuff - I did my first Honda B18 Midget 10 years ago - we think this Chevy ECOtec is every bit as good, maybe better.

We will be making some big announcements about this program in the coming days, and after PRI we will be doing a lot of testing and demonstrations. If you want to be kept informed about our progress, just drop me a note and I will add you to our email list.

Sincerely,

Keith Iaia
Revolution Racing Engines
805-467-3424
keith@revolutionracingengines.com
"THE REVOLUTION STARTS NOW"

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Um except for the fact that the thousands of people they employ here in the US, where do you think they spend that money??

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mtcray........you're preachin' to the choir!!!!

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No, he's not. Not all of us are ignorant enough to still be living in 1945.

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Personally I really don't know what all the hype is for the Honda Engine or
the Chevy 2.4 Ecotec engine?

I really don't.

If it fits the rules build it and race it. If it don't, it's just another political game
someone is playing to get thier engine into the market. We don't need it
and racing don't need it. If you don't know we, are in a depression. Words
to the wise.

1) As far as I'm concerned Ford has it developemental engine in the FF Midget and
leave it alone or change the FF Midget with the few options that were promised
years ago. If Ford don't want to to do that. Fine just leave it be. I'm
fine with that. The FF Midgets are just fine where they are at. It a great
starter seires. If you need more power buy a full midget.

2) On the West Coast we have two sprint car series that don't need any help.
They are the 360's and the 410's. And that applies to the wing division
or the non-wing. I don't care about the ASCS series. If you want to run
that series get in your hauler and spend all the money you want. California
will do fine in thier 410 series and 360 wing/non-wing series and have done so
for a long time. It don't need anybody or any other organization trying to bleed
more money from Californians. Do it to the rest of the world. California don't
need yah!

a) Again, words to the wise we are in a depression. Take that statement
anyway you like it.


3) Now, on another note. I don't race sprint cars or midgets but I do help on
an occasion and help as a fan and pit crew helper on a few local
teams.

1) If I were goin' to try to develope or build a small midget engine, I would
start with the all aluminum 2.9 liter, in line four, dual overhead cam engine
that came in my 2008 Colorado pickup truck. It's puts out 185 hp stock.

a) I would try to destroke it to USAC rules and see if one of the new 2009
HP Chevy Midget Race Heads could be adapted to it or see if AFR,
Edelbrock or one of the other aftermarket mfg were goin' to build a head
that would adapt to this all aluminum, in-line 4 cylinder truck block,
made by Chevy. Seems like this idea is more in what a racer would do to
save cost than to buy one of the state of the art 30-40 thousand dollar
Pink, Ford, Chevy or Toyota engines.

Sincerely,

Larry Otani, and hope you can make it to a track in 2009. It's goin' be fun,
no matter what happens in the world. Racing is an escape and
a lot of people are goin' to be goin' to the race track, just like
they have been for years. :applaud: It's the only thing to get
your mind off all the stress of the world...lol!

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6157.......1945??? That's funny..HaHa..... I wasn't born until '52. After spending 35 yrs. working for Chrysler-Daimler/Benz, I understand mtcray's comments. It was his opinion and I agree.:)

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JONTHETURBOGUY, I think your the one that lost your mind. WOW!!!!!!!!!