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staggerman 10/6/20 5:05 PM

POWRi Vs USAC Friday in IL
 
Once again USAC and POWRi schedule shows within 3 hours of each other in Illinois Friday. USAC has Leffler Memorial at Wayne City and POWRi has Jacksonville. Why can’t these guys get along.

Jacksonville has a overall better line up as they also have MOWA sprints. That’s where I am heading. Wonder which has a better midget car count?

richie 10/6/20 5:36 PM

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USAC's Jason Leffler Memorial has been on the schedule for the Oct. 9 date since last December in 2019. POWRi's race on Oct. 9 is rescheduled from a rain out at Jacksonville on Sept. 11.

The Leffler Memorial should have more than 30 midgets in attendance. Always been a good race and you can expect another good one this Friday!

Dirtfan 10/6/20 6:03 PM

"Why can’t these guys get along".
That's the unanswered question,don't hold your breath waiting on an answer from either organization.
We'll be @ Wayne City & The Class Track.🏁🏁

kdobson 10/6/20 7:41 PM

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This isn't a "get along" thing. POWRi has almost nothing to do with it. Place the blame entirely on my shoulders. Our Herb Barlow Memorial which had the same lineup got rained out in September. We have only had 4 shows for our fans to watch this season due to our local COVID restrictions. We are also at a hard limit on our grandstand capacity. We reached capacity on Sept 11th at the Barlow prior to the rain.

Frankly, there isn't a decision for a fan to make. If you don't have a rain check from Sept 11th, the odds are pretty slim that you are going to get a ticket to our grandstand. We had about 50 used up at the race the following week, and I've reached out by email to all of our online ticket buyers from that race to see how many aren't going to make it Friday. I can only sell 50 + those that reply they aren't coming for the grandstand.

I would venture to say that given that our grandstand crowd on the 11th was very "Local" since you had to engage with our Facebook page to even know how/when to buy a ticket that you could count on very few hands the number of people that hold a grandstand ticket for this Friday that would have also gone to the Leffler. That's why you've seen virtually no promotion by me of our race Friday.

As for cars, there's no doubt the USAC cars will.. and should go to the USAC race. I reached out to a few teams prior to scheduling it to see who was going where. Very, very few cars coming to us this Friday would have been at the Leffler. Quite a few like KKR etc. will be skipping our race - rightfully so - even though they were here on the 11th. Yes, there will be 6-8 cars that might have gone to the Leffler that will be here. But USAC just put out a list of 30 in a press release that they know are coming to their show. So there will be plenty of talented teams and drivers there. If our field Friday affects that race at all - it would be on the fringes. The Leffler is a great race for an absolutely great cause. Support it. We will, by paying each heat winner $100 bonus from Jacksonville Speedway. (Spridge, Levi - tell me where to send the check)

In normal times we would never do this. We had starved fans holding rain checks and a number of teams that weren't planning to go to the Leffler wanting a race - also holding pit passes. There was only 1 night that worked on our schedule to even have another race this year and this Friday was it. We are a fairgrounds track with other things going on - a lot of them that have been put off till October. Friday is our last chance to race before we close the doors.

Those aren't excuses, those are just the facts that brought this around. Sometimes things don't work out perfectly. This year lots of things didn't work out and resulted in a little chaos. Not that it matters, but I did inform USAC before making this make-up date public. Of course they weren't super pleased. I wouldn't have been either. But they are good folks and it'll work out.

I know Indiana fans in particular like huge fields. It looks like there will be 30 or more great ones at the Leffler. Last Friday the MOWA series I help operate had 44 cars at Tri City. Quite honestly that means 22 cars from that show went home with tow money only - not paying the bills for the night. On the bright side at least 45-50 midget teams are going to get paid purse/finish money this Friday night in Illinois.

Again... I am sorry it worked out like this, but I firmly believe that the Leffler will be a great event even with us running 20 or so midgets in Jacksonville.

If you are upset and want to give me a piece of your mind - text me at 217-371-3653. Don't blame POWRi for this one. - KD

Dougherty20 10/6/20 8:23 PM

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Ken Dobson, you are a class act. One of the best promoters in the midwest.

Dirtfan 10/6/20 9:33 PM

Mr Dobson,you're truly a class act,and the reason we try to make at least one 8hr round trip to your facility a year.
This season was a Jacksonville & Macon weekend,simply the best.Please keep doing what you're doing,can't wait for next season.
We were at Tri City last weekend,had we of known you were there we'd of looked you up.🏁🏁

openwheelfan1 10/6/20 9:44 PM

Mr. Dobson, your post and your actions are very classy! Best of luck to you in the future!

staggerman 10/6/20 9:59 PM

Ken Dobson thank you for the clarification on the story behind the situation. Still heading to support your event Friday.

miledirt 10/7/20 7:09 AM

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Kenny Dobson, what a great promoter

Jonr 10/7/20 8:51 PM

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Hmmmmmm....... POWRi still had to agree to the date that Jacksonville proposed. I do appreciate the insight that Ken Dobson brings to this message board. I also can appreciate the box that he was placed into. However, deciding to go against a crown jewel race is still wrong, regardless of the path that you took to get there.

Sprint63122 10/7/20 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonr (Post 533829)
Hmmmmmm....... POWRi still had to agree to the date that Jacksonville proposed. I do appreciate the insight that Ken Dobson brings to this message board. I also can appreciate the box that he was placed into. However, deciding to go against a crown jewel race is still wrong, regardless of the path that you took to get there.

Nothing wrong with what Ken Dobson has done and no reason for him to have to explain it some people and racers will pick and decide on where they want to race and support. No different than tracks running against sprintweek or smackdown happens every year and will continue to do so.

flagboy55 10/7/20 10:20 PM

I surely do appreciate Mr Dobsons transparency and his integrity. We could use more of his type in our racing world. That’s not to say however Jonr doesn’t have a point. Maybe it’s a small portion of people but I feel for those who have to choose

sw1911 10/8/20 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonr (Post 533829)
Hmmmmmm....... POWRi still had to agree to the date that Jacksonville proposed. I do appreciate the insight that Ken Dobson brings to this message board. I also can appreciate the box that he was placed into. However, deciding to go against a crown jewel race is still wrong, regardless of the path that you took to get there.

It's not a crown jewel race until it gets moved to a decent track. Wayne City is a crap hole track. It just happens to be in a relatively convenient location for both IL and IN fans. Moreover, like the man said, how many race teams really have a hard choice to make between the two races?

Indy1808 10/8/20 12:43 PM

are they doing walk up tickets or do you have to get them online??

richie 10/8/20 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy1808 (Post 533850)
are they doing walk up tickets or do you have to get them online??

Tickets can be purchased at the gate at Wayne City.

Indy1808 10/8/20 3:14 PM

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Thanks but I actually meant for Jacksonville?

erich45 10/8/20 3:53 PM

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Seeing that this is a make-up date for a rainout, I suspect very few tickets will be available.

Rpracing1 10/8/20 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sw1911 (Post 533844)
It's not a crown jewel race until it gets moved to a decent track. Wayne City is a crap hole track.

Possibly you will welcome National Midgets at the track that you own?

ronmil 10/8/20 9:25 PM

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To me Jacksonville vs Wayne City is a non-issue due to the distance between them. I have been to Jacksonville once but it is a looonnnggg drive from Evansville so Wayne City is my only option. There may be some Illini fans who live a near equal distance from the two tracks and they do indeed have a viable option. Hope everybody sees some good racing and stays dry this weekend. (Especially Haubstadt)! Hurricane aftermath stay away!!!

sw1911 10/9/20 1:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1 (Post 533858)
Possibly you will welcome National Midgets at the track that you own?


So, I don't think you really mean track ownership is a prerequisite to an opinion?


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TommyTipover 10/9/20 5:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1 (Post 533858)
Possibly you will welcome National Midgets at the track that you own?

One does not have to be a track owner to recognize a crap track. Believe it or not fans are allowed to have and express opinions.

jim goerge 10/11/20 2:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sw1911 (Post 533844)
It's not a crown jewel race until it gets moved to a decent track. Wayne City is a crap hole track. It just happens to be in a relatively convenient location for both IL and IN fans. Moreover, like the man said, how many race teams really have a hard choice to make between the two races?

Is there any track that you like? I have only seen where you call all tracks crap. I myself would love to know what track you would call a good track.

sw1911 10/11/20 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jim goerge (Post 533905)
Is there any track that you like? I have only seen where you call all tracks crap. I myself would love to know what track you would call a good track.

Tri City: I saw Larson-Rico-BC put on a midget clinic there millimeters off the wall. Good track. Saw Wolfie's last race.
I55: good track.
SFCR: good track
West Plains: good track
The Ditch: questionable due to poor grandstand maintenance, possible tire shredder
Knoxville: the best. Even the food is world class.
Arizona Speedway: raced all night with no track work and no dust, in the desert. Good track.
Springfield: good track. Tied with Knoxville for the food from the farmers across the street from the grandstands.
DuQuoin: one of the best. I wish I had not spent the last six Labor Days in Arizona.
Highland: too many potholes. Crap track.
Red Hill: I miss it. Seems like the location killed it. Thanks to Jim Mills for trying.
Clay County: borderline.
THAT: it has gotten better. The day the big cars refused to race due to the dust it was a crap track.
Lincoln Park: good track. Holds the record for the most race cars at a track at one time.
Lawrenceburg: no comment.
Bloomington: good track even though I have never seen the front straightaway.
Tri State: good track but they need to flip the start finish line.
Belle Clair: one of the best. It is hard to believe they used to pit the cars in that little infield.
Eldora: no comment.
Wayne County: see above.

With love,

opnwhlmnd 10/11/20 11:14 AM

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You had me at "SFCR: good track."

sw1911 10/11/20 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd (Post 533915)
You had me at "SFCR: good track."

I was only there once but my recollection is good other than my ass was so cold on the aluminum bleacher that I had to leave before the feature ended. I think Derek Scheffel won. That was the day Tri City rained out and several of the Indiana teams drove on down to Farmington.

opnwhlmnd 10/11/20 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sw1911 (Post 533916)
I was only there once but my recollection is good other than my ass was so cold on the aluminum bleacher that I had to leave before the feature ended. I think Derek Scheffel won. That was the day Tri City rained out and several of the Indiana teams drove on down to Farmington.

Derek won that race on my advice. That was back in the McCreary SD, short for synthetic development, tire days. He was pitted next to me and was putting an SD 33 tire on for the feature. I told him that the track wouldn't go away enough to need the hard tire and the SD 23 soft compound would last 25 laps. He was the only one that ran the soft tire and won the race. I still have the t-shirt he gave me as his way of saying thanks.

SCFR has went way downhill since those days.

sw1911 10/11/20 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd (Post 533918)
Derek won that race on my advice. That was back in the McCreary SD, short for synthetic development, tire days. He was pitted next to me and was putting an SD 33 tire on for the feature. I told him that the track wouldn't go away enough to need the hard tire and the SD 23 soft compound would last 25 laps. He was the only one that ran the soft tire and won the race. I still have the t-shirt he gave me as his way of saying thanks.

SCFR has went way downhill since those days.

I was really good friends with his uncle Marty, who you probably met. He died of ALS a couple years ago.


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