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Courtney DQ'd Underweight

Rock went through radiator and drained all the water out of the system causing them to be under weight per Tim.

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That is still cutting it real close. You could see he was leaking something the last 8 laps

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2 gallons of coolant weighs about 17 pounds and he was 15 pounds under weight. I don't know how much coolant was in his system at the start of the race, but there appeared to be none at the end, because you could see he stopped leaking the last couple laps since no steam was coming out any more. Two more gallons of fuel at the start of the race would have been enough to compensate for losing all your coolant, but nobody could envision the need for doing that. If your cutting it that close, it might be something to consider.

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Water is 7pds per gallon, chances are he'd of been light anyway IDK

Sunshine was hauling but when it was leaking he was getting a little swirly in his own leakage and Bacon got back around him, once it stopped leaking, Sunshine took off again.

Still very close on weight

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If your cutting it so close on weight that the fluids are your difference then that is on you. I remember when Gravel won the race at Eldora this year he was still 50 pounds to the good at the finish.
Overall it was a really good night of racing and they moved through it quickly. I had enough time to stay and watch the mods too but I gave up after the 4th caution, man they are a hard watch at L-Burg.I would rather watch the Hornets or stocks there.

Charles, It was nice to meet you and put a face with the name. I hope to see you again next year!

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We are ignoring the fact that once again rocks caused problems at the ‘Burg with at least 2 cars. When is someone be it the owner, racing organizations, team owners, or drivers gonna say enough is enough and fix the issue? Cost Clauson Marshall 10K plus radiator and possible engine damage and Ballou another tire. Was Windom’s flat caused by a rock too? Owners and promoters should be embarrassed especially after the last race when they pulled out a bunch of rocks, some which were big. We’re not talking pea gravel here. Beautiful facility, racing surface dangerous joke!

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Water is 7pds per gallon, chances are he'd of been light anyway IDK

Sunshine was hauling but when it was leaking he was getting a little swirly in his own leakage and Bacon got back around him, once it stopped leaking, Sunshine took off again.

Still very close on weight

One US liquid gallon of fresh water weighs roughly 8.34 pounds. So two gallons is 16.68 pounds, which rounded is the 17 pound figure I used. Anyhow 15 pounds is 1.798 gallons. I'm sure there was more coolant than that in the system. Engine coolant weighs 9.6 pounds per gallon.

It takes more than 2 gal to fill the system up. Your not just talking radiator. You have water pump, hoses, block, heads, etc

My question is where all the USAC and NOS conspiracy theorists now?

Originally Posted by Chief Wahoo:
We are ignoring the fact that once again rocks caused problems at the ‘Burg with at least 2 cars. When is someone be it the owner, racing organizations, team owners, or drivers gonna say enough is enough and fix the issue? Cost Clauson Marshall 10K plus radiator and possible engine damage and Ballou another tire. Was Windom’s flat caused by a rock too? Owners and promoters should be embarrassed especially after the last race when they pulled out a bunch of rocks, some which were big. We’re not talking pea gravel here. Beautiful facility, racing surface dangerous joke!

I believe windom said he lost two tires because of rocks. One in hot laps and one in qualifying

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Did you ever go to race somewhere, and have the announcer ask everyone to pick up at least one rock, maybe they need to do that, usually half and half, half the fans leave, and half the rigs pull out. And they usually were looking for an announcer before the last rig pulled out.

Mario Clouser had rock go through the hood, tear up the air filter and break the ignition box as well.

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Whaaaaat, no casino money to bring in a rock sifter.

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Originally Posted by Tom23:
Mario Clouser had rock go through the hood, tear up the air filter and break the ignition box as well.

Link to pics of Clouser’s car from his Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioClou...79568532959238

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I would think USAC would question continuing to visit a facility that does not keep the drivers safety, fan safety, and car owners pocket book as a top priorities. Burg better step up to the plate. Or use it as a rock quarry.

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Originally Posted by kb78:
If your cutting it so close on weight that the fluids are your difference then that is on you. I remember when Gravel won the race at Eldora this year he was still 50 pounds to the good at the finish.
Overall it was a really good night of racing and they moved through it quickly. I had enough time to stay and watch the mods too but I gave up after the 4th caution, man they are a hard watch at L-Burg.I would rather watch the Hornets or stocks there.

Charles, It was nice to meet you and put a face with the name. I hope to see you again next year!

Nice to meet you too Kevin, Usually sit up top with the rest of the Buckeye Racefan Club but feet were all cramped up and I just decided to only go halfway..

Not sure on the rocks as I don't see many when looking at the track from the stands But I'll go down myself and make laps rock hunting a couple times next spring if they'll let me. (I have before) I do know all the push trucks an Connor made two laps of the track looking for stuff before the feature.

I do know the track stayed good all night. Kinda narrow early. But they didn't have to work it once, Let alone three times.

Prayin for Steve Thomas, That was a flagstand to top of middle of turns one and two nose to tail flip. That guy passes three tracks racing much closer to run LBurg. Thanks Steve.

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everyone knows there are rocks at the burg, but people still haul there s@#t down there and race. no reason to complain when you show up any way. if you don't like it, don't show up.

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Originally Posted by sp6967:
everyone knows there are rocks at the burg, but people still haul there s@#t down there and race. no reason to complain when you show up any way. if you don't like it, don't show up.

So you are running for a USAC championship and according to you then you shouldnt show up because you know there are rock issues there? Thats just not gonna happen. USAC needs to step in and tell them to rectify the issue or not schedule there

Why not weigh them right after the race so you don’t have these issues?

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
My question is where all the USAC and NOS conspiracy theorists now?

Actually I’m still here. I don’t believe for one minute that losing your engine coolant from a hole in the radiator makes you 15lbs light. In a 30 lap race on a dirt track if you are cutting things that close then you are beyond LUCKY or most other times not 100% legal most of the time. Unfortunately I think Usac has always had issues with favoritism towards certain teams. Saying that this one time absolves the NOS teams from it is not fair.

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I do know the track stayed good all night. Kinda narrow early. But they didn't have to work it once, Let alone three times.

So sad. You are so blindly in love with this rock quarry that a good racing surface is beyond you. They never do anything with it Charles. No one racing sprint cars complains about the surface at the tracks that work them a few times a nite. Only the crotchety old people in the seats do. Guess what?? They are the best races Usac has all year every year. Your bedrock track could never host a three day show like Smackdown and I really hope someday we could have the same type event at TSS. Stop looking thru the rose colored glasses and admit the surface sucks. Too many different people talking about the rocks, so it isn’t a falsehood. Whoever from the track went out to look for them might want to open their eyes to reality. The worst thing about ISW’s first wknd is Lawrenceburg. They should be reduced to a less than prime date on the week. Sorry you left before you knew Bacon won the race, I’m happy he won the money and the title especially if any of the Hoffman family were there to see it. Enjoy your winter and maybe donate some time to help harvest rocks n the spring if you are able.

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Where did I make a excuse for the rocks? Never said they didn't happen.

Im sorry people like you exist, Who do nothing but complain about anything, Especally when they weren't thee to see four and five wide racing.

It's this crap that's hurting racing period and all but ruined this board to the point nobody post anything anymore because your opinion is more important than mine.

So much so I've had enough. Not gonna be postin much and really haven't anyway this year. Sick of it.

See the rest of the friends I've made on the board at the tracks, Say Hi.

Sorry I can go to the tracks and enjoy it. Must be sad being so salty

Charles, I enjoy your posts. It's a shame that you get slammed just because you like a certain track. The one thing this world does NOT need is more haters.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Water is 7pds per gallon, chances are he'd of been light anyway IDK

Sunshine was hauling but when it was leaking he was getting a little swirly in his own leakage and Bacon got back around him, once it stopped leaking, Sunshine took off again.

Still very close on weight

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Where did I make a excuse for the rocks? Never said they didn't happen.

Im sorry people like you exist, Who do nothing but complain about anything, Especally when they weren't thee to see four and five wide racing.

It's this crap that's hurting racing period and all but ruined this board to the point nobody post anything anymore because your opinion is more important than mine.

So much so I've had enough. Not gonna be postin much and really haven't anyway this year. Sick of it.

See the rest of the friends I've made on the board at the tracks, Say Hi.

Sorry I can go to the tracks and enjoy it. Must be sad being so salty

Sorry to see you go. I enjoyed our differences of opinion. Neither of which was more important than the other. I certainly never thought when you differed from mine that you didn’t exist. That’s sad you feel that way. Must never have heard the word no before either. Racing and this board are doing just fine.

I’ll miss our exchanges. You provide a lot fun for me and others on this board. But if you must take your ball and go home it’s ok. Enjoy the races wherever you go. I’ll be at Big Diamond this coming Friday for the USAC 360 East Coast final nite.

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Originally Posted by yeleyfan76:
Actually I’m still here. I don’t believe for one minute that losing your engine coolant from a hole in the radiator makes you 15lbs light. In a 30 lap race on a dirt track if you are cutting things that close then you are beyond LUCKY or most other times not 100% legal most of the time. Unfortunately I think Usac has always had issues with favoritism towards certain teams. Saying that this one time absolves the NOS teams from it is not fair.

Water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon most small block Chevy engines with a standard size sprint car radiator hold 3 gallons. 8.34 x 3 = 25.02 pounds. If they are running coolant in the water it raises the liquid weight to around 9 pounds per gallon. If they are running an additive such as Water Wetter instead of coolant it doesn't change the 8.34 pound weight. :14:

If they are using NOS Energy Drink as an additive I don't know the liquid weight change.

Facts get in the way of so many things.

Yeleyfan76 I thought there were more of you, lol. But props to you for stepping up. I don’t necessarily believe that either but like I saw Jerry Coons post on Twitter that it would have been one of the easiest things to gloss over, the scales that is. At any rate I think it should definitely say something to the doubters. On the other hand, a friend of mine on here has documented to me very dubious actions by the sanction and it definitely does instill doubt. Overall I don’t think they play favorites but that’s just my take. I know I once had a pleasant debate with Spridge on Twitter back when the Windom/Buckwalter incident went down. I specifically remember him saying there is no penalty for contact. I know it wasn’t always this way so I would be interested in knowing rules and timelines for their adoption and enforcement, and how all of this plays into perceived bias.
Also just a comment on Charles. I’ve never met the man although Brent was going to introduce him to me but never worked out. I don’t always agree with him but I sure do appreciate his loyalty to his track and I look forward to him weighing in. It’s not an official thread about the Burg unless Chuck slams his gable

Let's just all agree, the Burg needs a bunch of good dirt brought in to redo the surface of the track. For now it is what it is, you either go or you don't.

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Originally Posted by Eatin Dirt:
Let's just all agree, the Burg needs a bunch of good dirt brought in to redo the surface of the track. For now it is what it is, you either go or you don't.

Nothing will change until the car owners threaten to boycott the track.

Most guys don’t want to put their motor through the gauntlet, which is Lawrenceburg. Let alone have to risk their lives dodging rocks every lap. For the record, I think the track produces great racing. It’s just hard on equipment, especially rock screens and body panels.

Didn’t Windom and longtime USAC owner Jeffrey Walker get banned a few years ago for a tire issue at Bloomington?
I do think USAC is guilty of leaning toward their full timers in 50/50 situations but i also think that is very common across all motorsports. That said, USAC will certainly go against their own: They banned a recent former champion (Ballou). They called a ISW photo finish at GC for the local (S. Cottle over Leary). Multiple late for push off penalties.

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
Water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon most small block Chevy engines with a standard size sprint car radiator hold 3 gallons. 8.34 x 3 = 25.02 pounds. If they are running coolant in the water it raises the liquid weight to around 9 pounds per gallon. If they are running an additive such as Water Wetter instead of coolant it doesn't change the 8.34 pound weight. :14:

If they are using NOS Energy Drink as an additive I don't know the liquid weight change.

Facts get in the way of so many things.

I have never put 3 gallons in my car. 1 1/2 maybe 1 3/4 gallons, never 2!

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I was at smackdown parked in turn four had a rock bigger than an egg, put a nice wop dent in the hood of my van.Lucky it didnt hit the windshield. Racing good luck.

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Originally Posted by tamati:
I was at smackdown parked in turn four had a rock bigger than an egg, put a nice wop dent in the hood of my van.Lucky it didnt hit the windshield. Racing good luck.

You're telling me there are tracks besides Lawrenceburg with rocks in them?! :18:



This thread is a little ridiculous. I realize the issue with rocks is a safety issue and concerning, but people with nonconstructive criticism should have a little perspective:
1) Due to the speeds at The 'Burg, the velocity of any rock taking flight will be magnified.
2) The safety team is one of the most respected and highly qualified in the country.
3) The physical safety apparatus is top-notch: state-of-the-art catch fencing, a wall that's not crumbling, ect.
4) No one is ever waiting around "for the ambulance to return"- there are multiple.

People need to tone down the outrage, man. It's not doing anyone any good. If he hadn't been outraged out of IOW Town long ago, you guys could've interacted with Dave Rudisell right here. Hell, I've been here since it was called usacfans.com, and everyone I used to interact with there have been "outraged" out of here by now (or they're dead, R.I.P.), except Jerry Shaw and Danny Burton (bless their hearts).

I'm sorry to have to be the one to read the Riot Act, but everyone that comes here is fanatical enough over sprint car racing to be an advocate, so start acting the part! Lawrenceburg Speedway is a jewel in the crown of USAC racing. The racing is amazing. The facilites are amazing. The programs are efficient.

It is a destination-type venue for sprint car racing. It is my home track; and when I've visited Perris, or Manzanita, or The Chili Bowl, fans tell me they dream of visiting my track someday. And you debbie-downers ruin it for everyone.

Yes, the rocks are an issue, but let's go about it the right way: give the track a call or drop them an e-mail and express your concern; heck, get real proactive, next time you go, get a pit pass and get out there and help look for rocks yourself.

Peace and love to you all,
Chris

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Originally Posted by chrismattlin:
You're telling me there are tracks besides Lawrenceburg with rocks in them?! :18:



This thread is a little ridiculous. I realize the issue with rocks is a safety issue and concerning, but people with nonconstructive criticism should have a little perspective:
1) Due to the speeds at The 'Burg, the velocity of any rock taking flight will be magnified.
2) The safety team is one of the most respected and highly qualified in the country.
3) The physical safety apparatus is top-notch: state-of-the-art catch fencing, a wall that's not crumbling, ect.
4) No one is ever waiting around "for the ambulance to return"- there are multiple.

People need to tone down the outrage, man. It's not doing anyone any good. If he hadn't been outraged out of IOW Town long ago, you guys could've interacted with Dave Rudisell right here. Hell, I've been here since it was called usacfans.com, and everyone I used to interact with there have been "outraged" out of here by now (or they're dead, R.I.P.), except Jerry Shaw and Danny Burton (bless their hearts).

I'm sorry to have to be the one to read the Riot Act, but everyone that comes here is fanatical enough over sprint car racing to be an advocate, so start acting the part! Lawrenceburg Speedway is a jewel in the crown of USAC racing. The racing is amazing. The facilites are amazing. The programs are efficient.

It is a destination-type venue for sprint car racing. It is my home track; and when I've visited Perris, or Manzanita, or The Chili Bowl, fans tell me they dream of visiting my track someday. And you debbie-downers ruin it for everyone.

Yes, the rocks are an issue, but let's go about it the right way: give the track a call or drop them an e-mail and express your concern; heck, get real proactive, next time you go, get a pit pass and get out there and help look for rocks yourself.

Peace and love to you all,
Chris

Well said Chris. It's petty that anyone can't go to a show and Enjoy it. No matter what anyone says, Courtney drove a hell of a race, it was neat to watch.

Like you, Most of the people I've met and still do at the track, quit posting here