Double file restarts
 

Long overdue in open wheel racing?

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No, it's not. Sprint cars do not need the manufactured drama of other forms of racing.

Originally Posted by kb78:
No, it's not. Sprint cars do not need the manufactured drama of other forms of racing.

Inverts 🤷🏻*♂️

Double file restarts provide more opportunity to go from back to front because everyone is grouped up tighter. But on the flip you can go front to back if you fluff it up because everyone is tighter. Not a gimmick, a format with pluses and minuses.

You can definitely make argument non-wing doesn't need it like wing does because non-wing cars can naturally run and race closer which means better chance of passing.

I'm fine with USAC being single file now that they got rid of lapped cars in the middle of the leaders and field. Been good action. First 3 nights of sprint week.

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The only double file restart I agree with is the Delaware double file restart. Leader alone on front row, 2nd and 3rd second row and so on. I believe that is only fair way.

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why should someone be rewarded and someone penalized because someone else messed up

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I don"t think any non wing sprint or midget group need double file restarts. I think it would tear up a lot of cars, remember we have OPEN wheels unlike those tin tops. :D

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i agree with okie but its all about the show and people in the stands.i like the delaware starts.cg

Save double file for NASCAR. Should not be allowed in our sport. Can’t stand it in the World of Outlaws. And even they must think it’s a joke because they don’t do it with 5 laps left. Everyone wants to see Jacob Allen win a WOO feature. I say if it weren’t for that stupid gimmick he already would have. I can’t remember the exact scenario but that’s what I was thinking on a couple occasions last year. Complete novelty. Get rid of it!

Originally Posted by flagboy55:
Save double file for NASCAR. Should not be allowed in our sport. Can’t stand it in the World of Outlaws. And even they must think it’s a joke because they don’t do it with 5 laps left. Everyone wants to see Jacob Allen win a WOO feature. I say if it weren’t for that stupid gimmick he already would have. I can’t remember the exact scenario but that’s what I was thinking on a couple occasions last year. Complete novelty. Get rid of it!

Donny said the other night post race at Williams Grove, good thing we have double file restarts or we'd really be all spread out on these big half miles 🤷🏻*♂️

Originally Posted by okie:
why should someone be rewarded and someone penalized because someone else messed up

I mean this happens all the time in racing. Does double file restarts increase risks, I'd say so. But risk comes with reward because if you do something right you could gain more from that as well.

Consider only from competitive standpoint during a 22 car USAC feature: Third place car racing deal before lap one completed and the car involved restarts on row 11, an uphill battle.Same incident on lap two and the car involved restarts on row 22, no chance.

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I would love to see double file restarts and lapped cars to the tail.

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JMO but heck no.

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Love double file restarts. Being good at starts and restarts is part of the game. Nothing worse than getting a good launch off 4 and dragging the brakes all the way to the cone because the car in front waited until the leaders were in turn 2 to take off.

Originally Posted by Rhody:
Love double file restarts. Being good at starts and restarts is part of the game. Nothing worse than getting a good launch off 4 and dragging the brakes all the way to the cone because the car in front waited until the leaders were in turn 2 to take off.

I think the cone needs to be moved back toward 4 generally speaking if they continue single file. (USAC and All*Stars)

I agree with this as an alternative but really I’m good with single file. Leader should ha e some reward

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at many tracks the row you are in can be a huge penalty or huge advantage. You see a lot of cars go to the back and make it back toward the front in traditional sprints and midgets. The cars in the back have options that give them passing opportunities they wouldn't have if they were trapped to one line or the other for several laps until it gets sorted out. Other types of cars can't dart and maneuver like traditional sprints or midgets can so it works better. We are watching probably the most competitive racing in the country with traditional open wheel, why screw it up?

You just threw a couple of death sliders at the car in front of you. They didn't quite work out. Finally after 3 laps the pressure causes him to bobble and you get by. The caution comes out and that car lines up right next to you. HUH!!!

THIS AIN'T PONY STOCKS....

Originally Posted by NOSTINKINWINGS:
You just threw a couple of death sliders at the car in front of you. They didn't quite work out. Finally after 3 laps the pressure causes him to bobble and you get by. The caution comes out and that car lines up right next to you. HUH!!!

THIS AIN'T PONY STOCKS....

Finally after 3 laps the pressure causes him to bobble and you get by. The caution comes out and that car lines up in front of you. HUH!!!

Didn't complete a lap.

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Terrible idea!

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Don't be like NASCAR and fix something that isn't broke. That is how you lose fans. Single file restarts is the only way to go. All double file restarts do is tear up equipment and create smaller car counts because people can't afford to keep fixing their stuff.

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Originally Posted by oldfan49:
at many tracks the row you are in can be a huge penalty or huge advantage. You see a lot of cars go to the back and make it back toward the front in traditional sprints and midgets. The cars in the back have options that give them passing opportunities they wouldn't have if they were trapped to one line or the other for several laps until it gets sorted out. Other types of cars can't dart and maneuver like traditional sprints or midgets can so it works better. We are watching probably the most competitive racing in the country with traditional open wheel, why screw it up?

Now this isn't sprint car or dirt, but the pavement track I shoot at in Houston is one groove. this year, they started a new way to line up for the restarts. After the cars are in the right order, single file, they put a cone in the middle of the fronts stretch. The cars that want to play it safe can restart on the low side, and the other brave ones have the choice of moving up to the less favorable high side. Not saying that this would work for dirt sprint cars, but it is interesting.

Originally Posted by cmakin:
Now this isn't sprint car or dirt, but the pavement track I shoot at in Houston is one groove. this year, they started a new way to line up for the restarts. After the cars are in the right order, single file, they put a cone in the middle of the fronts stretch. The cars that want to play it safe can restart on the low side, and the other brave ones have the choice of moving up to the less favorable high side. Not saying that this would work for dirt sprint cars, but it is interesting.

I'm not a big fan of choose restarts. Seavy is pro however.

Have not yet seen any logical reasons supporting single file restarts in open wheel racing. The suggestion that double file restarts causes more damaged race cars is not supported by empirical data—could be just the opposite.

Originally Posted by Larry G.:
Have not yet seen any logical reasons supporting single file restarts in open wheel racing. The suggestion that double file restarts causes more damaged race cars is not supported by empirical data—could be just the opposite.

This....^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Larry G.:
Have not yet seen any logical reasons supporting single file restarts in open wheel racing. The suggestion that double file restarts causes more damaged race cars is not supported by empirical data—could be just the opposite.

I believe that their is the same amount of reasoning supporting single file as their is supporting double file restarts- personal preference.

I don't like the idea of the leader all of the sudden having to give up his advantage because the dude in 14th place spun out. How many times has a guy got hosed on the starts because the car in front of him stumbled or spun the tires and the other row blows by? Here I am running 5th and the guy in 10th spins, so I restart right beside the guy in 6th now who I just passed two laps ago. Now on the restart the guy in third has his motor stumble and I am caught behind him and before I know it I have lost 3 or 4 positions because of none of my own mistakes.

I love sprint car racing and have for 50 years now, sometimes the race for the lead just isn't going to be a nailbiter and that's okay by me. I will watch the race for fifth or tenth or where ever it is. I don't like the idea of making changes just for the sake of change, soon enough you look around and can't even recognize the sport you love.

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nascar has double file restarts.........stupid is, as stupid does.

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The leader already has an advantage, he picks his lane on the restart, and picks his line on the track. People complain about front row winners, why make it any easier. If a guy gets a lousy draw and is stuck in the back, why make it harder for him to come forward. Like I said earlier, cones ruin plenty of races. If the guy in third is on a mission, and loses 7 car lengths because the guy in 2nd spun his tires, well, his race got ruined. On a double file, once the leader goes it's game on, so if the guy in front of you spins his tires, just drive on by and keep racing. The only thing I hate more than single file is the damn Delaware re-start.

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Mechanic-"How was the car?"
Driver- " Oh the car was bad and I'm not that good either but I jumped every restart and got a top five anyway."
Mechanic- " Cool, that's what racing is supposed to be!"

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Originally Posted by kb78:
Mechanic-"How was the car?"
Driver- " Oh the car was bad and I'm not that good either but I jumped every restart and got a top five anyway."
Mechanic- " Cool, that's what racing is supposed to be!"

or "Everyone else was asleep on restarts and I can read minds"

To me restarts are part of the game, just like qualifying. I am lousy qualifier, but good on restarts, so I like double file restarts. I don't complain about TT races, even though I can qualify 30th in a 28 car field.

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Originally Posted by Rhody:
or "Everyone else was asleep on restarts and I can read minds"

To me restarts are part of the game, just like qualifying. I am lousy qualifier, but good on restarts, so I like double file restarts. I don't complain about TT races, even though I can qualify 30th in a 28 car field.

Perhaps you should take up Late Model or Modified racing, or become a mind reading medium.

Brian,then they went to single file restarts on Saturday, because the top lane,had too big of an advantage.