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revjimk 1/15/20 8:23 PM

Faccinto
 
So what did Michael Faccinto say at Chili Bowl that made his team pull him out?

I was watching on RB, but totally missed that part....:11:

Jerry Shaw 1/15/20 8:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revjimk (Post 524652)
So what did Michael Faccinto say at Chili Bowl that made his team pull him out?

I was watching on RB, but totally missed that part....:11:

He said the "N" word in the post race interview. Just not a good thing to do. Especially when you need funding from sponsors to do what you do. And according to the statement the RB announcer read, the sponsor pulled out.

Jerry

okie 1/15/20 10:11 PM

Oh did he say NASCAR.

Jonr 1/15/20 10:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw (Post 524653)
He said the "N" word in the post race interview. Just not a good thing to do. Especially when you need funding from sponsors to do what you do. And according to the statement the RB announcer read, the sponsor pulled out.

Jerry

How? It just seems pretty unbelievable that this word was part of a post race interview.

Chris Nunn 1/15/20 10:50 PM

I am solely transcribing this, and I will never condone the use of the word for any purpose.

Faccinto said "We were up to fifth or sixth there, and then Alex Bright ni**ered us pretty bad"

His sponsor was totally justified in yanking him from the Saturday night portion of the event.

Jonr 1/15/20 10:53 PM

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Thanks for the response. What a stupid thing to say. Even in the heat of the moment that is a stupid thing to say. He deserved to lose his ride.

revjimk 1/15/20 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn (Post 524658)
I am solely transcribing this, and I will never condone the use of the word for any purpose.

Faccinto said "We were up to fifth or sixth there, and then Alex Bright ni**ered us pretty bad"

His sponsor was totally justified in yanking him from the Saturday night portion of the event.

Thanks for the update. Unbelievable... out of all the words he could have used, he had to pick that one? Stoooo-pid :14:

oppweld 1/16/20 1:46 AM

I was watching at home wondering if I really heard it, I've never heard anything like it at a racing event.

flagboy55 1/16/20 4:37 AM

There is a lot of times nowadays that I think folks are too thin skinned. Some of the stuff that offends people have me asking, if that’s all you have to worry about, then you must have too much time on your hands. However this was a extremely bad choice of words, and completely inappropriate. I read the apology from Faccinto and I believe it’s sincere. On this stage, you would sure think he would learn his lesson.

LocalYokel 1/16/20 6:46 AM

Did he make the statement during the post race interview or was it right after he got out of the car? His statement in particular is obviously never acceptable.
However, I really dont like that the on track reporters seem to just chase down drivers the moment they step out of the car. I dont understand why the reporters literally have on track access. They are not needed on the actual racing surface at all. Its also another person on the track to potentially get hurt. Sometimes after contact a driver is not going to have all of their wits about them and may say something they later wish they didnt.
Trey Marcham (i believe) obviously didn't want to talk to the reporter. He tried to avoid him twice, but the guy just kept at it.

Chris Nunn 1/16/20 7:55 AM

Was during his post race interview.

motorhead748 1/16/20 9:09 AM

I wonder what the connection is between the driver &car owner & sponsor? Did he pay for the ride? Is the sponsor the owner?
In today’s world it was a very stupid thing to say.

ossuks 1/16/20 9:18 AM

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Excuses....I used to think that drivers that could control a car at speed should be able to control their emotions, but that was before Dr. Claire Lewicki set Cole straight "Control is an illusion, nobody knows what is going to happen next, not on a freeway, not in a plane, not inside our own bodies, and certainly not on a race track with 40 other infantile egomaniacs."

racer-x 1/16/20 11:04 AM

Would it have been the same punishment if he would have used the word “cracker”?

WinglessLovers 1/16/20 11:17 AM

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Never quite heard that word used in that manner before. Big mistake, big consequence. Wondered what the apology on Twitter was all about. Now I know. Really have to choose your words wisely when you have an open mike in front of you.

Bruce Eckel

DAD 1/16/20 12:29 PM

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The only word we need to do away with is po·lit·i·cal·ly cor·rect
/pəˌlidək(ə)lē kəˈrekt/ I was raised with the saying that "Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones BUT Words Will Never Hurt Me" That is still true today. Check out the
Urban Dictionary. That word used in the way that it was used does not pertain to a Persons Race but to a Persons Actions. We need to Stand Up for First Amendment it is a beautiful Thing and what makes us Americans. He was within his right to use it and his Sponsor was also within his right to pull his Funding.

DAD 1/16/20 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by racer-x (Post 524678)
Would it have been the same punishment if he would have used the word “cracker”?

Yep I get called "CRACKER" ever so often, and it is a persons right to call me that because they are usually "MAD" about something and it best for me to just tuff it up
:)

captrat 1/16/20 12:54 PM

How about adding some so-called politically correct words like respect, self-control, historical knowledge, etc. Freedom of speech is sacred but then one cannot "scream fire in a dark movie theater".

DAD 1/16/20 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by captrat (Post 524685)
How about adding some so-called politically correct words like respect, self-control, historical knowledge, etc. Freedom of speech is sacred but then one cannot "scream fire in a dark movie theater".

Back in the early 60's when I was in the Seventh Grade "Politically Correct" did not exist. I did have a Seventh Grade Civics Teacher (that's the teacher that taught us how or Democracy was supposed to work) Gave us a definition of the First Amendment that has stuck with me. He taught us that "Our First Amendment Rights STOPPED two inches short of the distance between the other guys fist and our nose" ;)

Jerry Shaw 1/16/20 1:35 PM

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Aside from it being a dumb thing to say and a wrong thing to say, the thing that makes it even more perplexing is the situation in which he said it. He was being interviewed because he had just finished 3rd in an A-Main for a preliminary night at the Chili Bowl. Meaning, Saturday night, he was going to find himself in the front row of a B-Main. An ideal situation and an enviable one for the vast majority of the 360+ car field. Including quite a few who are among the top drivers in the sport. So, he truly pissed away a golden opportunity. The best thing that could have happened to Faccinto would have been getting passed by the hard-charging Dillon Welch, who had raced from 16th to 4th.

Jerry

revjimk 1/16/20 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LocalYokel (Post 524671)
Did he make the statement during the post race interview or was it right after he got out of the car? His statement in particular is obviously never acceptable.
However, I really dont like that the on track reporters seem to just chase down drivers the moment they step out of the car. I dont understand why the reporters literally have on track access. They are not needed on the actual racing surface at all. Its also another person on the track to potentially get hurt. Sometimes after contact a driver is not going to have all of their wits about them and may say something they later wish they didnt.
Trey Marcham (i believe) obviously didn't want to talk to the reporter. He tried to avoid him twice, but the guy just kept at it.

"I really dont like that the on track reporters seem to just chase down drivers the moment they step out of the car." I agree with that part, especially after a bad wreck. I'm waiting for some driver to say, "I almost got killed... can I have a minute to calm down?" :41::

revjimk 1/16/20 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DAD (Post 524681)
The only word we need to do away with is po·lit·i·cal·ly cor·rect
/pəˌlidək(ə)lē kəˈrekt/ I was raised with the saying that "Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones BUT Words Will Never Hurt Me" That is still true today. Check out the
Urban Dictionary. That word used in the way that it was used does not pertain to a Persons Race but to a Persons Actions. We need to Stand Up for First Amendment it is a beautiful Thing and what makes us Americans. He was within his right to use it and his Sponsor was also within his right to pull his Funding.

"The only word we need to do away with is po·lit·i·cal·ly cor·rect"
I wish they'd stop using that word too. It makes serious issues sound like bad manners.
We should just say RACISM

revjimk 1/16/20 1:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 524668)
There is a lot of times nowadays that I think folks are too thin skinned. Some of the stuff that offends people have me asking, if that’s all you have to worry about, then you must have too much time on your hands. However this was a extremely bad choice of words, and completely inappropriate. I read the apology from Faccinto and I believe it’s sincere. On this stage, you would sure think he would learn his lesson.

Words have consequences, especially in a place like Tulsa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

revjimk 1/16/20 1:51 PM

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In case you don't want to read the whole article:
The Tulsa race riot (also called the Tulsa massacre, Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

revjimk 1/16/20 1:53 PM

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A little more:
"The riot was covered by national newspapers and the reported number of deaths varies widely. On June 1, 1921, the Tulsa Tribune reported that nine white people and 68 black people had died in the riot, but shortly afterwards it changed this number to a total of 176 dead"

DAD 1/16/20 5:21 PM

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Just making light of after race interviews Jack Hewett was probably the best with "Politically Incorrectness":3:;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tAJtnl_1bQ

Indy1808 1/16/20 8:42 PM

Well at least the major media hasn’t beat up our sport with this. Sure don’t need any negativity for the sport. Unfortunately as we we know, that’s what major media wants to show any racing in the negative light.
When we all know thats not the truth. At the end of the day, we have a very wonderful racing community that steps up to lend a helping hand to each other and are always concerned with each others wellbeing. We all really need to push the positives out there, as much as we can.

America 1st

revjimk 1/16/20 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy1808 (Post 524702)
Well at least the major media hasn’t beat up our sport with this. Sure don’t need any negativity for the sport. Unfortunately as we we know, that’s what major media wants to show any racing in the negative light.
When we all know thats not the truth. At the end of the day, we have a very wonderful racing community that steps up to lend a helping hand to each other and are always concerned with each others wellbeing. We all really need to push the positives out there, as much as we can.

America 1st

Major media barely knows dirt track racing exists...
Might be a good thing?

Indy1808 1/16/20 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by revjimk (Post 524706)
Major media barely knows dirt track racing exists...
Might be a good thing?

True but since this has become a mini Nascar opener,:D
you can bet there will be some there on Saturday.

captrat 1/16/20 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DAD (Post 524686)
Back in the early 60's when I was in the Seventh Grade "Politically Correct" did not exist. I did have a Seventh Grade Civics Teacher (that's the teacher that taught us how or Democracy was supposed to work) Gave us a definition of the First Amendment that has stuck with me. He taught us that "Our First Amendment Rights STOPPED two inches short of the distance between the other guys fist and our nose" ;)

With respect I believe you just verified my post.

SoIllSprinter 1/17/20 12:10 AM

There are many examples in our society of political correctness gone amok. This is not one of them. That word has no place in our current world. It is demeaning and ugly. Those who use it should be called out and reprimanded.

Sprintcarfanatic 1/17/20 9:02 PM

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Never quite heard that word used in that manner before. Big mistake, big consequence. Wondered what the apology on Twitter was all about. Now I know. Really have to choose your words wisely when you have an open mike in front of you. This is because he used it in the right text. If I remember right it means being ignorant. It was people long ago that used it to slander the people of color & it could / would be used for any one that is Ignorant no matter the color. " He Ignoranted me " just don't sound right.

revjimk 1/18/20 1:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprintcarfanatic (Post 524728)
Never quite heard that word used in that manner before. Big mistake, big consequence. Wondered what the apology on Twitter was all about. Now I know. Really have to choose your words wisely when you have an open mike in front of you. This is because he used it in the right text. If I remember right it means being ignorant. It was people long ago that used it to slander the people of color & it could / would be used for any one that is Ignorant no matter the color. " He Ignoranted me " just don't sound right.

There are plenty of other terms for "ignorant" that don't have the whole racial connotation & history of slavery, lynchings, segregation etc, that he could have used (that sound right too)
Stop making excuses for him. It was an ignorant thing to say, he paid the price, he apologized. Over....
I hope other people learn from his mistake
Race on! :23:
Chili Bowl feature tonite was killa! (Friday)

Sprintcarfanatic 1/18/20 9:51 AM

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I'm not making excuses. What I tried to do was take something someone else said & I didn't do it right. The other post actually ended in the part of "in front of you" then mine starts.

You all would really be up in arms if I put on here what I did on Hoseheads about this "word" from a BLACK MAN in 1982 & I put it on there just like he said it & Blacks, Whites & and other ethinicity that was in that room agreed 100 percent with what was said. It still rings true to this day !!! That word & others are being thrown around like candy & people are just eating it up.

I don't believe what he said was racist for the simple fact that he didn't actually call any one person or person(s) that unless what I've been reading is not being said the way he said it.

Let me tell ya about my neighbor. I'm setting on my porch swing & he comes over & says can I set with ya, I said sure. He set down & said I've never set on a front porch like this before. He can set there anytime he wants because he acts decent & talks decent. I won't let anyone in my house that is a disrespectful A$$ no matter what color of your skin !!!

Spi-nex 1/18/20 11:35 AM

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If anyone lets words offend them, then clearly there should be an evaluation of life priorities.

Last thing I want to see is racing dominated by easily offended snowflakes who need their safe spaces all because someone said a word.

revjimk 1/19/20 1:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spi-nex (Post 524738)
If anyone lets words offend them, then clearly there should be an evaluation of life priorities.

Last thing I want to see is racing dominated by easily offended snowflakes who need their safe spaces all because someone said a word.

I don't need a "safe space", & i haven't melted in 69 years
i just hate racism
I could call you a bunch of names & see how you respond, but won't....

revjimk 1/19/20 1:31 PM

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repeated & deleted
Where is the "delete" button anyway?

djbamber 1/19/20 7:02 PM

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I was at a doctors office last week and a sign in back of the receptionist read "I wish I had a backspace key for my mouth"! I think that it could probably apply in this situation.

Jonr 1/20/20 4:16 PM

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I was killing time on Saturday night as I was watching the Chili Bowl track prep between the B's and the A. I searched #uselesschilibowl on Twitter, and came across a post of the actual interview where this was said. If it is possible, it sounded worse when spoken that when we read it on this board. Definitely not good.


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