West Coast Weak Payouts???
 

Why do all of these big west swing races offer such weak payouts. I thought the west coast was where all of the money was. 6K to 10K to win is not unusual here in the midwest. Would not pay for a midwest car owner to head out there.

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The economy might have something to do with it.

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Manzys ASCS Western World Championship paid 3K to win. A Championship for 3K?? Give me a break. Did they give Hockett a pack of baseball cards also. I don't think it is the economy, as I assume this race paid the same last year.

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I never want to hear about weak payouts. There are guys on here that race for $500 to win every Saturday night.

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That is true, but this is a "Western Championship". Give me a break and pay out some cash. These are high dollar race teams running for $3,000 to win. What a joke.

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What joke ? If the promoters know that someone is willing to race for $500 to win, they know that they'll get people at $3000. You may not like it , but it is guys who race for low purses that keep them low every where else. I'm just glad Tom Helfrich and the MSCS don't see it that way. In Indiana he sure make a difference.

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Just don't get it.

:headbang

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it takes money to race but 4 the true racer its never been about the money any ways . leaving the track at the end of the night knowing you just beat the best priceless:headbang

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Originally Posted by racephoto1:
I never want to hear about weak payouts. There are guys on here that race for $500 to win every Saturday night.

I am one of those teams, but then again the most I will pay in fuel round trip is about $150.00 versus I would suspect an average of $1,500.00 to go out west.

Eric

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Originally Posted by racephoto1:
What joke ? If the promoters know that someone is willing to race for $500 to win, they know that they'll get people at $3000. You may not like it , but it is guys who race for low purses that keep them low every where else. I'm just glad Tom Helfrich and the MSCS don't see it that way. In Indiana he sure make a difference.

Actually, MSCS purses kind of stink. $10,000 to win $200 to start. $3000 to win $200 to start. Regular show at Lawrenceburg? $200 to start. Except for the money up near the front, it's a regular show purse. They do pay $100 to show where, a regular local show pays $50. However, the difference there is less than two pit passes. Every little bit helps, though.

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There regular shows are average, but they put on all the big money shows around here. USAC doesn't pay anything like they do. I know USAC doesn't have any $1o,000 to win shows around here, and they seem to be the measuring stick around here.

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Originally Posted by racephoto1:
There regular shows are average, but they put on all the big money shows around here. USAC doesn't pay anything like they do. I know USAC doesn't have any $1o,000 to win shows around here, and they seem to be the measuring stick around here.

USAC tends to pay more through the field. I think it's $275 to start. That may have changed by now. However, unless this has also changed, you could pay your $30 pit pass, your temporary USAC permit fee etc. and come away without a single dime if you didn't make the heats out of the NQ races. It's been a couple of years since we ran USAC so, my information might be dated.

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Actually, MSCS purses kind of stink. ... :respect:

Daggone I thought it was just me .... 275 for 8th and run 40 laps.

Dan Hurst

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What was the attendance at the west coast shows? espec. Perris. Good, bad or average.

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Originally Posted by dave:
What was the attendance at the west coast shows? espec. Perris. Good, bad or average.

IMO, Perris was around 1,200-1500 on Thursday and Friday nights, about 5,000 Saturday night.

Manzanita probably 5,000 on Friday night and 6,000 on Saturday night.

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Originally Posted by dave:
What was the attendance at the west coast shows? espec. Perris. Good, bad or average.

Absolutley packed to the gills on Saturday, about 2/3 full on friday

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
Manzys ASCS Western World Championship paid 3K to win. A Championship for 3K?? Give me a break. Did they give Hockett a pack of baseball cards also. I don't think it is the economy, as I assume this race paid the same last year.

One thing to keep in mind is the ASCS sprint cars were the support show at the Western. Would I like to see the racers get more money, of course I would. But I don't know of too many support shows that pay 3k to win. Personally I think it's great that the track ran both divisions of sprints and had the increased payouts for both USAC and ASCS instead of running some other class like modifieds or a stand-alone show of just the 410's.

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I liked the way they did the dirt nationals at terre haute nothing but sprint cars non-winged and wing makes both classes happy.Has for the payout why are you people on the mscs so hard they have paid out more to win in Indiana than usac has by far and they have been in business for only how many years compared to usac which actually has no big yearly race they have started on there own.

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I agree wholeheartedly.

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I agree also, they have nowhere to go but up.

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Originally Posted by Sprint63122:
I liked the way they did the dirt nationals at terre haute nothing but sprint cars non-winged and wing makes both classes happy.Has for the payout why are you people on the mscs so hard they have paid out more to win in Indiana than usac has by far and they have been in business for only how many years compared to usac which actually has no big yearly race they have started on there own.

all the MSCS payout does is fatten the already well-to-do teams. after 4th or 5th place it's a regular show payout. like i said before, $10k to win $200 to start, $3k to win $200 to start, and as Hurst said, $275 for 8th after running 40 laps in a $10K show. That's AWFUL!!!!!

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In all fairness to the masses who spend their money to see the big money shows I wil abstain from any other comments about any sanctioning bodies payoffs. I will take a glancing poke at their unwillingness to post a complete payoff before the show though. This might explain the less than expected car counts ? A bad draw that puts you on the back of a fast heat in which your finish firmly plants you in the C main where a tangle sends you home with $25.00 is not very condusive to faithfully following a series .

With that said I will agree by that having 2 major players offering the fans a quality product is good entertainment . It gives the posters on here good banter and makes the racetrack operator and association management money . The 50/50 purses are bigger and everyone gets home late but in good spirits since the action was so good . As long as this keeps up there will be racing to be enjoyed by all.

Old school guys like Cecil and ourselves will just have to either adapt or bypass the biggies in favor of lesser paying shows where the talent and car counts aren`t quite as robust. It paid better back in the day because that 100 dollars was half my weeks wages 25 years ago. Economics has killed the fun but not the reasons we still show up . It has more or less become a quest now . A quest to see how many nights a DT-3 will run or how long our old dually will last. Racin is a habit we`ve got so we`ll keep showing up anyway.

Dan Hurst :checkered: