Steve Kinser
 

The King...Knoxville Nationals 1978

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Very jealous of people like you, that got to go to Knoxville in those days.

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Same here. What I would give to return to those years @ Knoxville!

Hopefully we can get the Inaugural Corn Belt Nationals to turn into something at least reminiscent of what the Nationals were in the non wing days. It will take a lot of support. Disappointed that an Indiana non wing club is actually running against it.
Anyone have any suggestions on where to stay for this event

Pella, Iowa a short drive away is usually where I’ve stayed over the years. Usually several good options there.
As far as your disappointment for an Indiana club racing against this event. I believe USAC/CRA has a race scheduled for July 6th.
Not everybody is cut out to race a USAC show on a big half mile. I’m glad there are options. Maybe that Indiana club has always raced that weekend, IDK? It is what it is.

Thanks and I’ll take your advice. Occasionally people lament the fact that the Knoxville Nationals are wings, I know I do, but unless the World of Outlaws miraculously sheds airfoils, we’re never going back there. I listened to a podcast with Kendra Jacobs who’s in the management team of Knoxville and she said, and I paraphrase, that so far they have shown good support for the the real sprint cars and would hope it would grow even bigger. In my opinion, if you pay any attention at all, you can see what a marquee event like the Nationals can do for the wing cars. Logic would say an event like that for sprint cars without wings would also help the genre across the country, if we can build it into what we hope it could be.

Flagboy55, if Pella is full up, Newton Iowa is about 24 miles from Knoxville straight up Iowa 14. There are several motel/hotels there. We’ve stayed at the Best Western there before and it’s not bad.

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
Hopefully we can get the Inaugural Corn Belt Nationals to turn into something at least reminiscent of what the Nationals were in the non wing days. It will take a lot of support. Disappointed that an Indiana non wing club is actually running against it.
Anyone have any suggestions on where to stay for this event

In case you didnt know the Indiana non wing club that is racing "against" it is running a 2 night show in honor of the gentleman who created the board you are now reading. Also USAC decided to pull the sanction on the friday night portion without notice to race at knoxville. They had sanctioned that date for several years until this year. Why should LPS and MSCS step aside for Knoxville when they had been scheduling that race on that weekend for at least 3 years and had a crowd as big or bigger than their sprint week date.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
In case you didnt know the Indiana non wing club that is racing "against" it is running a 2 night show in honor of the gentleman who created the board you are now reading. Also USAC decided to pull the sanction on the friday night portion without notice to race at knoxville. They had sanctioned that date for several years until this year. Why should LPS and MSCS step aside for Knoxville when they had been scheduling that race on that weekend for at least 3 years and had a crowd as big or bigger than their sprint week date.

John the show honoring Bill only paid a USAC sanction one night. They paid less money the next night,and tried to get all the USAC guys without paying the sanction. They paid a minimum purse on Friday and loaded the back gate with many support classes. It was by far the worst run show I attended last year. It was also the latest I left a track in 2018 that was not affected by rain. I will be at Knoxville. I want to support people who pay big money.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
John the show honoring Bill only paid a USAC sanction one night. They paid less money the next night,and tried to get all the USAC guys without paying the sanction. They paid a minimum purse on Friday and loaded the back gate with many support classes. It was by far the worst run show I attended last year. It was also the latest I left a track in 2018 that was not affected by rain. I will be at Knoxville. I want to support people who pay big money.

Brent I did say it was USAC on Friday night on my post and I dont remember leaving particularly late. They ran 3 support classes. There were more fans there than many of the sprintweek races last year. Frankly I'd rather honor my friend than drive all the way to Knoxville. They paid the usual USAC payout if you dont thonk thats enough then maybe you should ask USAC why they dont pay more for their shows. It was basically the same show that drew about a third of the crowd and a third of the cars as Bloomington ran last month at a USAC track. and oh by the way they paid the "minimum" purse too.

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
Hopefully we can get the Inaugural Corn Belt Nationals to turn into something at least reminiscent of what the Nationals were in the non wing days. It will take a lot of support. Disappointed that an Indiana non wing club is actually running against it.
Anyone have any suggestions on where to stay for this event

If you are going with your family (wife/kids) I would look at Des Moines. It is a real easy drive to the track and the town is large enough to keep people entertained during the day. It will also give you more options for hotels.

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Chariton Iowa is just 25 miles south on highway 14 has hotels and restaurants, Easy drive to and from races. Town square.

The good old days.

To this day not all tracks have ever shut down for the Nationals but some would and do. Putnamville has had this race established for a while and can't blame them for wanting to continue it. However, it would be good for the sport if as many people as possible supported Knoxville and their efforts to try to build a premier non-wing event in the Midwest, something that's been lacking for several years. If it were 3 nights I think that would have helped get more places to shut down and support a true Nationals but people need to realize this is the biggest opportunity Knoxville has given the non-wing cars and fans to build its own Nationals. With former non-wing guys like Mike Brooks and John McCoy having an influence on the board, the time is now for the non-wing people to unite and get on board with this. See you at Knoxville!!

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8 hours to Knoxville
2.5 Hours to Putnamville
I will support local track and Mr. Gardner and be at Putnamville.

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
Hopefully we can get the Inaugural Corn Belt Nationals to turn into something at least reminiscent of what the Nationals were in the non wing days. It will take a lot of support. Disappointed that an Indiana non wing club is actually running against it.
Anyone have any suggestions on where to stay for this event

They jack up motel prices in Knoxville for winged Nationals, not sure if they do the same for this event. Thee are motels in Knoxville, check hotels.com for prices
If they're expensive, I always stay in southern part of Des Moines, near airport, easy 35 minute drive to racetrack. I stay at el cheapo Motel 6, but there are nicer ones nearby....:23:

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Very jealous of people like you, that got to go to Knoxville in those days.

Well i'm jealous of Hoosiers who get to see wingless races every weekend!
But you can be jealous of me for going to Woodstock...:10:

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Brent I did say it was USAC on Friday night on my post and I dont remember leaving particularly late. They ran 3 support classes. There were more fans there than many of the sprintweek races last year. Frankly I'd rather honor my friend than drive all the way to Knoxville. They paid the usual USAC payout if you dont thonk thats enough then maybe you should ask USAC why they dont pay more for their shows. It was basically the same show that drew about a third of the crowd and a third of the cars as Bloomington ran last month at a USAC track. and oh by the way they paid the "minimum" purse too.

Well said. Please remember whom you are debating with. Don’t confuse him with the facts it’s not fair. Fortunately there will be two options for non wing racing that wknd. With the way weather has been this year multiple options are a good thing.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Brent I did say it was USAC on Friday night on my post and I dont remember leaving particularly late. They ran 3 support classes. There were more fans there than many of the sprintweek races last year. Frankly I'd rather honor my friend than drive all the way to Knoxville. They paid the usual USAC payout if you dont thonk thats enough then maybe you should ask USAC why they dont pay more for their shows. It was basically the same show that drew about a third of the crowd and a third of the cars as Bloomington ran last month at a USAC track. and oh by the way they paid the "minimum" purse too.

They ran 4 support classes that night, and it was 11:30 when I got to my car. To me that is a late night. I had been up at 5:15 for work, got off at 4 drove almost 2 hours to honor Bill. Then drove an hour and a half home (less traffic than Friday rush hour) and was at work at 7:30 am. To me it wasn't worth it. If USAC would have turned down a $25,000 to win show, people like you and yeleyfan 76 would be the biggest critics. Looks like USAC gave them another date I will more than likely go to that. Would even pay a little extra to get in if they made it a big deal.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
They ran 4 support classes that night, and it was 11:30 when I got to my car. To me that is a late night. I had been up at 5:15 for work, got off at 4 drove almost 2 hours to honor Bill. Then drove an hour and a half home (less traffic than Friday rush hour) and was at work at 7:30 am. To me it wasn't worth it. If USAC would have turned down a $25,000 to win show, people like you and yeleyfan 76 would be the biggest critics. Looks like USAC gave them another date I will more than likely go to that. Would even pay a little extra to get in if they made it a big deal.

Brent one of the "support classes" was midgets which I dont really consider a support class. It ended at about the same time as the race you went to last night but I dont see you posting that it was too late this morning. If 11 o'clock is too late for you maybe you should consider not going on a work night. You have been to enough races to know that not every show ends at 10, especially with 2 push off divisions. The problem isnt that they decided to run a 25K to win show its that Joe and Shondra found out their sanction was gone the same way you and I did. No phone call to give them a heads up before it was announced nothing until much later when they decided to throw LPS a bone and replace their date. It was a lack of common courtesy. Keep drinking the kool-aid

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
They ran 4 support classes that night, and it was 11:30 when I got to my car. To me that is a late night. I had been up at 5:15 for work, got off at 4 drove almost 2 hours to honor Bill. Then drove an hour and a half home (less traffic than Friday rush hour) and was at work at 7:30 am. To me it wasn't worth it. If USAC would have turned down a $25,000 to win show, people like you and yeleyfan 76 would be the biggest critics. Looks like USAC gave them another date I will more than likely go to that. Would even pay a little extra to get in if they made it a big deal.

Once again you are confused by the facts. I would never criticize a 25 g to win show. You must be confused yet again. I’m one of the guys always complaining that these guys run for peanuts. All ISW races should carry a minimum 50% purse boost. With the amount of travelers and local fan participation that should be no problem. It’s people like you who say these tracks make most of their yearly profits on those nites so why would they pay more. Let me be crystal clear Brent; the USAC sprints run for peanuts. If they can get shows for 25g to win I’m all for it. I’m driving the 16 hours to Knoxville to support it as well. You need to stop filling your cup with the kool aid all of the time and and take off the Usac rose colored glasses you wear. PS if 11 o clock is too late for ya on a Friday then maybe it’s time to take some naps.

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I thought this thread was about Steve Kinser :14:

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Brent one of the "support classes" was midgets which I dont really consider a support class. It ended at about the same time as the race you went to last night but I dont see you posting that it was too late this morning. If 11 o'clock is too late for you maybe you should consider not going on a work night. You have been to enough races to know that not every show ends at 10, especially with 2 push off divisions. The problem isnt that they decided to run a 25K to win show its that Joe and Shondra found out their sanction was gone the same way you and I did. No phone call to give them a heads up before it was announced nothing until much later when they decided to throw LPS a bone and replace their date. It was a lack of common courtesy. Keep drinking the kool-aid

You our the one drinking the kool aid, just from a different glass than you accuse me of. I believe that Shondra was left out of the loop. I know a sponsor was willing to step in and help build this show. Whoever you get your information from had neglected to tell you that. You also say that I didn't criticize the show I went to last not for running late. That was because weather played a factor. Just like the other 2 shows I went to that ran late at IMS and Plymouth. One thing that I should give a pass on to Putnamville that night, is they did have an ambulance delay, and that is beyond their control. Those things happen, but that meant getting done at 11 instead of 11:30. Still pretty late, on a night with perfect weather, for something that is supposed to be an big event.

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I started this thread of a photograph of Steve Kinser and it turned into a pissing match about USAC.

I stayed away this place for a long time, it's time for another vacation.

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Originally Posted by Vookie:
I started this thread of a photograph of Steve Kinser and it turned into a pissing match about USAC.

I stayed away this place for a long time, it's time for another vacation.

I stand by my original post that I was jealous of you guys that got to go to Knoxville back then.

‘78 was the last year I went to the nationals,back then it was one of 3-4 times a year all the best got together.How many times in the last 40 years has non WoO regular won?

Unbelievable.
" Can't we all just get along." God bless America. Thanks.

I always enjoy pulling up this tab on my bookmarks in my web browser while Im taking care of my business or having a restless night and can’t sleep. But, anymore I’m scared to even post something in fear that someone will try to cowboy up and flex their guns via the keyboard. Always preaching who made this forum happen, but never failing to look bad when you do mention him. Smh. I’ll stay on Twitter. Cool photo though!