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Finally,for all of you out there who over the past year who have tried to say that a silver crown car cannot run both the dirt and pavement i give you the kazmark 92 being run at grundy county in preparation for springfield.dirt car on pavement.wow,that is so wrong.looked to me like with a full field it would be quite a race.same car can run on both.even the person who posted it said this is for those of you who think this is not possible.now,say after me,you do not need two cars to run both dirt and pavement.you do not need specialized cars.minor changes to the car and it can run both.today,if usac announced,effective next year one car has to be used on both surfaces your car count problem is over.a little purse structure changeand a few other tweaks and you are set.please,no one say ever again,that this cannot be done.ok,let me hear why we can't do it.🙉🙉🙉

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When was the last dirt car to WIN on pavement? (I really don't know). & I mean one that ran dirt the race b4 or after in like the same year...not one that ran dirt in 1998 and then was converted or smthn...

Good question jason.maybe our historian mr.funk is needed.

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David, a lot of these guys don't even want to run dirt. The race at the legendary Williams Grove only drew 22 cars. Two didn't make it thru hot laps. the race started 20 cars and 6 dropped out by lap 20. It wasn't a bad race at all but it's hard to get the owners to even run the dirt races. Some only want to run the mile tracks.

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Yeah Joss never got to make a complete lap at the Grove. I watch him come down the front straight and knew he was going too fast for the track conditions.

https://photos.smugmug.com/USAC-East...SC_9294-XL.jpg

If the rules were in place to minimize the possible changes then I don't see why it couldn't work. It all depends on what they allow as in off sets, engine placement, ride height, steering gear, fuel tank, etc. They could require a restrictor plate for the modern pavement only cars the first year or two so they could run at first. I think the rules would be pretty easy to enforce. Most of it you can tell just by looking at it. If it looks close, then measure. They should do this for sprints and midgets too. I miss some of those races. Winchester was one of the coolest places on the USAC schedule. BTW I fielded a dirt Midget that ran on pavement and a pavement Silver Crown we ran on dirt to an 11th place finish at Eldora with right hand steer and 4 link rear. It CAN be done!!!

To settle this for everyone, we took the car to Grundy to shake it down and make sure the issue we had at the Grove was gone. It was either this or take it to a chassis dyno. Now I'm not saying that you can't run a dirt car on pavement, it can be done with the right setup on the car. I know this for a fact because I built what was a dirt midget chassis to run on pavement and it beat some of the best USAC midget drivers at the time at Grundy for 7 wins. And as far as I know, the last dirt car which was actually a combo car to win a pavement race was in 1997 at Phoenix with Jimmy Kite in it...

Thank you,thankyou.😄😄😄

Very good post about the sprint cars and midgets.what do you think killed pavement for usac sprint cars and midgets.specialized cars.they should of banned them immediately.

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I'm not saying it can't be done, but you have to car owners that want to race more than three or four times a year. The reason some left coast cars don't come east is because they want to race a couple times a month and talk about it the rest of the time. It costs just as much for Indiana cars to travel west as Cal. cars to come east. Even the fans out there act like it's a crime to take a vacation day for the Ovals. Not a very good croud on Thursday or Friday.

Too much technology kills racing series. You have to have and enforce rules to keep it in check and allow it to be affordable for the bulk of the car owners, not just a handful of the most well off.

Great races this weekend

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Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Very good post about the sprint cars and midgets.what do you think killed pavement for usac sprint cars and midgets.specialized cars.they should of banned them immediately.

No, pavement sucks
By the way, its "should have" not "should of".....:14:

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Great races this weekend.

Baylands,this is good stuff.revjniks not so much.i think tevjinks is one of the many who have been brainwashed by the liberal media😜Into believing dirt racing is the only thing that exists.i think tevjinks sounds better.😃😃😃

I need to meet all of you posters out there.possibly at smackdown.i will have on iow shirt that says weatherman on back.

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Great races this weekend

Originally Posted by revjimk:
No, pavement sucks
By the way, its "should have" not "should of".....:14:

I disagree

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Great races this weekend

Curious if a "pavement car" has won on dirt?

Since most dirt miles are like pavement,dirt cars i argue win a lot on pavement.😂😂😂

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Great races this weekend

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Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Baylands,this is good stuff.revjniks not so much.i think tevjinks is one of the many who have been brainwashed by the liberal media😜Into believing dirt racing is the only thing that exists.i think tevjinks sounds better.😃😃😃

Thats one of the funniest things I've seen all day! The "liberal media" doesn't give a rats ass about dirt vs. pavement, in fact doesn't even know what sprint cars are...:5:
My opinion comes from personal experience, used to watch dirt coupe races in early 60s, moved up North in 1966, went to 2 pavement races, lost all interest for 40 years. Went to my first dirt sprint car race 7 years ago, instantly hooked!:22:

Revjmk,why are you up so late.i was using liberal media as a comedic comparison.not literally.my sarcasm is sometimes very subtle.are you at springfield.we need to meet at smackdown.🤣

Has anyone ever seen the results of a dirt open wheel car crashing on pavement? I have... 7 days later we laid my step father to rest. Modern dirt chassis's have no business running on pavement. And as for wanting to build spec cars so they can run both surfaces, might as well just shut the series down. It's not because of having to have two cars, there is just not as much interest in pavement right now.

Nick Landon

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Great races coming up next week

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Great races this weekend

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Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Baylands,this is good stuff.revjniks not so much.i think tevjinks is one of the many who have been brainwashed by the liberal media��Into believing dirt racing is the only thing that exists.i think tevjinks sounds better.������

Not funny. Learn to put a space between sentences and commas. The first word of your sentence should be capitalized. If you're going to constantly post, it's easy to learn! And, please keep ******** off this board, even if it's a (dumb) joke.

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Originally Posted by Baylands:
I'm happy you found dirt sprint car racing several years ago. It is great.

BTW, Thank you! You just gave a perfect example of what's wrong with Social Media, and in particular race forums. You added a "pavement sucks" comment without any other supporting input where people that are genuinely interested in asphalt racing were having a nice discussion. As it turns out, your entire experience at an asphalt race, probably not even sprint car, was 2 races, 40 years ago. Maybe you aren't the best person to interject in this topic. :7::7:

Sorry, didn't mean to insult, diss or annoy any pavement fans. Everybody has their own taste, I was just expressing my personal feelings. & You're right, the cars i watched on pavement were Modifieds

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Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Revjmk,why are you up so late.i was using liberal media as a comedic comparison.not literally.my sarcasm is sometimes very subtle.are you at springfield.we need to meet at smackdown.��

I was wondering about that... hard to detect sarcasm on Internet without facial expression or tone of voice
& yea, I'm a night owl, but many miles away from Indiana, I try to get there for a few races each year (or are you talking about illinois?)

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Originally Posted by sprintracer82:
Has anyone ever seen the results of a dirt open wheel car crashing on pavement? I have... 7 days later we laid my step father to rest. Modern dirt chassis's have no business running on pavement. And as for wanting to build spec cars so they can run both surfaces, might as well just shut the series down. It's not because of having to have two cars, there is just not as much interest in pavement right now.

Nick Landon

Sorry to hear about your loss. Crazy dangerous sport
But at least he went down doing what he loved

Why shut the series down if we have to run one car.if survival of the series is in doubt,you as an organization take every measure to protect it.i don't really understand that statement.

Is anyone on this forum old enough to remember that midgets ,sprint cars, and silver crown cars all ran on dirt and pavement with the same car.why is there such a hatred of running a race car on both.eldora on saturday,new bremen on sunday.or any other combination.go look at the crucean- mahoney sprint car pictorials.mr.funk enlighten me.

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We can all agree that a dirt only car is going to be faster on dirt than a converted pavement car. We can all agree that a pavement only car is going to be faster on pavement that a converted dirt car. Taking it one more, we can also all agree that a dirt only car is going to be faster than a "combo car" on dirt and a pavement only car is going to be faster that a "combo car on pavement.

There are car owners who like to only run pavement and have pavement only cars. There are car owners who like to only run dirt and have dirt only cars. There is nothing that can be done to stop that. If you try to merge the rules or force the rules, you are only going to upset one group or the other and instead of supporting their favorite type or car, they will support none.

Almost every Silver Crown post I write ends with the same comment. Supply equals demand. While there are a group of die hard silver crown fans, they are a small minority of the fans. If there was money to be made promoting silver crown races it would be done. Have you ever wondered why there is a insane amount of big shows for modifieds? It is because the promoters know that the odds of them making money on a modified show is fairly high.

Good stuff jonr.you actually want to discuss.here is a plan,how many car owners who ran salem last weekend also campaign a dirt car.to entice teams to run pavement ,qualifying would be based on number of races entered.a speed/ races entered formula.you can run only dirt,but chances are you are going to be starting behind those who run all the races.why do you think nascar came up with their formula that awards essentially a franchise to cars competing in all races.they want to make sure owners don't pick and choose races.they realized that a long time ago.same way with formula one.you are not eligible for any prize money if you do not run all events.i can here the madness already.this is blasphemy.i would do it in a minute.see how badly they want to race.sometimes a dictator is needed.no,always needed.race car owners have proved over and over again if allowed to govern themselves they fail miserably.open wheel racing needs a bernie ecclestone or bill france.

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OK. Let's regroup. Pavement racing for Silver Crown cars is on life support. Dirt racing for Silver Crown cars is still tenuous at best, but better than the years before. You are now going to make demands for the car owners to show up. While I do not know this for a fact, I would guess that the opposite is actually happening. I would imagine USAC/Silver Crown promoters are calling owners begging them to show up.

But you didn't answer the other half of the equation. Who really wants to see them race? Once again, if there was a lot money to be made promoting Silver Crown races, more people would be doing it. The risk/reward for a Silver Crown race is way too imbalanced. Once again, why so many modified races? The risk/reward is more manageable.

Jonr has good points.i guess my bottom line question is this.why doesn't anyone want to see them race,or for that matter why do people not exactly fill the stands for the dirt shows.can i say with almost certainity that sprint car fans do not like pavement.is this the reason.or is it fans stay away from pavement because they know there will not be good car count.it seems most fans have No interest in sc racing and in particular pavement.why?

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Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Jonr has good points.i guess my bottom line question is this.why doesn't anyone want to see them race,or for that matter why do people not exactly fill the stands for the dirt shows.can i say with almost certainity that sprint car fans do not like pavement.is this the reason.or is it fans stay away from pavement because they know there will not be good car count.it seems most fans have No interest in sc racing and in particular pavement.why?

Well since I already put my foot in my mouth about pavement, might as well answer (My personal opinion only!) I understand that long time fans long for the "good ole days" of Champ cars, sprinters leading up to Indy, but I'm a relative newcomer (7 yrs.) To me, just bigger, slower 360s, longer races... doesn't "float my boat"
I'll apologize in advance.... sorry! But you asked....:47:

David, I agree with you and anyone who says it can't be done I believe is mistaken. However that ship has long since sailed and probably has sunken as well. I was part of those days you speak of when it was dirt one night and pavement the next. Probably should have been black flagged when guys like Carmen and Bloom were running the Dawker roadster and Sheldon was running the Genesee roadster, but it wasn't and here we are, with no pavement sprint cars in USAC. I wish there still were. That said though, I would almost always drive past a pavement race for a dirt race, to me it's just more exciting.

I commend revjimk for his honesty and flagboy for his insight.you have it so right when you say those cars you mentioned should have been banned when they first showed.now we have what we have and no pavement,no winchester,no a lot of things.