WOO. Could another series rivel them if done right? Not NST.
 

I think the world of outlaws are too well established and funded for anyone to be a threat to them.unless,a multi millionaire wanted to start another series and paid outrageous money,i don't think it could happen.racers and loyalty exist until more money comes along.if more money was offered the woo regulars would be like rats jumping off a sinking ship.

It's been tried twice with the best drivers in the business and didn't work twice with USA or NST. Maybe third time is a charm!?

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
It's been tried twice with the best drivers in the business and didn't work twice with USA or NST. Maybe third time is a charm!?

Good point. I just figured with Forest Lucas & Lucas Oil there would be a better chance of it working. God knows he probably has the resources and the money. But It would be hard with out tracks like Eldora, Knoxville, Lernerville, Wiliams Grove, Silver Dollar, ect. It also make me wonder if driver would jump ship from WOO

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Knoxville told BOTH series that the Nationals were being run by the track, while The Earl of Eldora said no one series is going to run at his track. Both series backed down. :8:

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Often imitated, never duplicated......

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How did the band KISS get into this conversation?

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Y segment short track racing even more tho???

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I don't think there are enough 410 sprint teams to support another touring series. You would need about 14 to 16 full times drivers to make it work.

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IMO I don't see any changes with Woo. I have always thought if someone could create a Woo type series for non winged as in my opinion USAC is far behind the show put on by Woo. I thought back in the day the NWWC had a chance to grow into something. Picture a non winged series that paid a Woo purse each night and tow money and solid point payout. That would be awesome. Tough thing is a nonwinged tour would need to be self sustaining as there is few areas of the country that could bring cars to support. Guy has to dream.

Now WoO sanctions the Kings Royal and Knoxville Nationals, but they use the traditional formats of these races still, no provisionals, and only give show-up points.

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What the point of starting a new wing series? I would just like to see USAC make some progress

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Originally Posted by revjimk:
What the point of starting a new wing series? I would just like to see USAC make some progress

I will give USAC some credit as things are a bit better now but still lacking if you compare even to the All Stars. To me as long as USAC is run by a board and not by leadership that can make a change I just don't see it evolving to a Woo level.

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Originally Posted by staggerman:
I will give USAC some credit as things are a bit better now but still lacking if you compare even to the All Stars. To me as long as USAC is run by a board and not by leadership that can make a change I just don't see it evolving to a Woo level.

And what makes you think USAC could or even should try to reach a WoO level? Most of the cars are owned by a single person or couple people. Most owners and drivers have full time jobs. And as others have said, How many series, How many classifications can this sport take? IMHO it's so dilluted it's a shame. At least USAC is the premier Non Wing series. Id just love to see a few more bigger money shows.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
And what makes you think USAC could or even should try to reach a WoO level? Most of the cars are owned by a single person or couple people. Most owners and drivers have full time jobs. And as others have said, How many series, How many classifications can this sport take? IMHO it's so dilluted it's a shame. At least USAC is the premier Non Wing series. Id just love to see a few more bigger money shows.

Right... thats what I meant by "progress"!

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I don't know that there is a market for another series. Are teams disgruntled with the Outlaws? Would tracks throw away their biggest show of the year with the Outlaws to take a chance with another series? I don't pay much attention to late models, but the Lucas Oil involvement I have seen in open wheel have not been overly impressive to me. The ASCS (which I think Tony Stewart will soon own along with the Chili Bowl) seems to have some detractors. They don't pay a lot for all the travel that is involved. POWRi still pays less than USAC, and seem to run a lot of back gate shows. I love Macon and little Belleville, but I am skipping Macon after Springfield because of too many classes. I am taking my Grandson and that will be way too long of a day.
The Outlaws have priced themselves out of the smaller tracks, and that works for them, but USAC can't charge $40 a ticket for Indiana SprintWeek. I plan on supporting all of the higher paying shows for USAC at Kokomo, Lawrenceburg, and Haubstadt. If people want to see more high paying races, they should do the same. You vote with your wallet.

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
It's been tried twice with the best drivers in the business and didn't work twice with USA or NST. Maybe third time is a charm!?

Exactly. Third time won't even happen. Original poster just had an idea & some time on his hands....

Listen to the Podcact with Damion Gardner on JackSlash...they have some good convo and talk about the same idea and concept with 360 vs 410 listen to it episode 16. Just some insight. Listened to it today while working and .... check it out! Worth your listen!