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I guess the owners and drivers have spoken loudly this weekend. 37 cars @ Paragon with an open tire rule. 38 cars at the BOSS race at Mansfield with an open tire rule. Only 21 at LPS and the MSCS with a Hoosier Tire rule.

The tire rule should be any tire that is $150 bucks or less per tire & available to every competitor is allowed !!!

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Man I guess I need new reading glasses, I don"t see anything about what you"re trying to say. How many of the cars that run Paragon, run anywhere else but Paragon? Dam few. The new cars you got this weekend are ones who went to the back yard when the big dogs came and took over the front poach :8:

I dont know the total reason why there were so many cars at paragon. What i noticed was the winner was past champion. I am a paragon regular. I would run lps and have before the tire rule. Like alot of guys racing now we are 40 hr a week guys that have to get best bang for the buck. No to mention you hear so many guys have a tire deal on a tire rule not good.

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Third straight weekend of 40 or more cars for BOSS. Darland, Cottle, Leary, D Smith. Landon Simon, KRob, Westfall, Little, Among many others at Mansfield Tonight.

Run what you brung. Thats what we need. As long as its safe.

I'm speaking strictly from a fan perspective, but does any other tire company contribute back to contingencies and points funds as Hoosier? If they do, they hide it well. Maybe you pay a little more for their products and get a little more back from them. Just a fans perception

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From a fan arguing over tires keeps me away from races.

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The only people that get anything back is the ones that brings home the $3K and $4k wins. Almost everyone else that bring back $300 or less pays full price so they are subsidizing the racing of the guys that can actually afford the higher price.

Does anyone remember what the spec tire rule was at Lincoln Park in 1999?

The tire rule debate is awesome... So we get rid of the tire rule. At this time I have 3 right rears to achieve what we want for stagger throughout the night with 3 left rears. I feel like we can compete anywhere with zero issues and have a shot every night. Now if you get rid of the tire rule to compete you have to have atleast 9 right rears with different compounds to get it right depending on what the track does. Obviously some people won't do that and some races won't matter as boss sorta polices itself same with Paragon but if you are competing for wins at an MSCS race, USAC race, or any bigger show your tire bill just tripled.
Mike Gass

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Your not talking BRAND X only, Your talking compound and I feel a mandated hardness is perfectly fine. It evens up big and small teams a bit. Can last longer.

But Brand Y guy who can save enough over a season or has brand Y sponsorship and can pocket enough over a season to rebuild a motor. WHY WOULD HE RUN A TRACK THAT MANDATES BRAND X on all four corners?

Whats next, Brand x shocks only? Brand X steering wheel, Brand X seat, Brand X wheels?

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It is that way now. If you want to compete for the win you have to buy a new tire for quals and heat and another for the main.

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Here is a give back for you to take note of. LPS gets $25 per car for adopting the rule. The only one pocketing that money is Spiker. He does not pass it on to the racers. He has no points fund and he did not increase the payout.

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Tire rule or not, I don't know the reason but look at Paragon and BOSS, highest car counts this weekend I believe. Hell Charleston got 14 cars that is twice what they normally get. LPS and MSCS was $3000 to win and the LPS past track champion Shane Cockrum was at Paragon I guess you would have to ask him and his car owner why.

I am a Paragon regular and would and did run other places before the 4 corner tire rule. I had planed on running at least one or two USAC shows until they jumped on the bandwagon and went to the 4 corner rule.

As far as big dogs, every track has there big dogs and Indiana it self has more good drivers and cars then anywhere else, so any track you go to in Indiana it is tough to win.

As a car owner and Driver I have a dog in this fight and the 4 corner rule only benefits the tracks, sanctioning body and manufacturer and does nothing for the car owner or whoever is paying the tire bill.

While I wouldn't be at Bloomington and Kokomo every week, If they didn't have a 4 corner rule I would be there on some weekends as like it was stated in and earlier post a lot of us work 40 hours a week or more. I work 50 to 60 hours so I can race and Friday and Sundays are hard but I would support other track that didn't tell me what tires to put on my car that is not financially good for me and my budget.

David Hair

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You have teams now that have multiple RR mounted to get stagger, Look inside a few of the stacker trailers that are at LPS on saturday night and start counting tires and wheels mounted up. All you have to do is go to the tire trailer or Hoosier and spend the time to go through chalk marks and start picking tires and spending money. Tire rule or not sometime you will never outspend the guy willing to spend the money. What we need is a rule that allows cars to get to the track, if all you have is 5 to 10 guys that can afford the overpriced rule tire the stands will soon be empty and dirt sprint cars will be where pavement sprints and midgets are now. A tire rule needs to benefit the owners and drivers and not just the tracks and manufacturers.

David Hair

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Boss while you can run any combo you want. does give a free RR to the racer that finishes highest of both brands that do run all four corners of that brand. So the Brand X Guy who finishes second or third or fifth gets one and if Brand Y wins, He gets one too.

I don't know what Cottles running now. Hazen used to run AR's exclusivley but I've seen Hoosiers on it recently. I do know Fischesser was on AR's last night. finished second while giving Cottle everything he could handle Pulled even with him several times and was a car length back at the finish.

Burg is RR only.

Seems to me that three or four more cars paying 30 dollar pit passes for three or four people each car, more than pays that Tire deal money.

Won at Kokomo with a tire that had 4 nights on it. Qualified second at a sprint week race at Bloomington with our hotlap/heat race tire that had 5 nights on it. Also, everyone has to pay the same price for a right rear go hook the prices up the open tires cost MORE money not less. That's facts I normally don't post much on here because a lot of the stuff posted here is so far off base it's funny therefore if you would like to talk I'll be at the 17G pit at Smackdown.
Mike Gass

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Charles, you are right a few more cars bringing 3 or 4 people would pay the tire deal money. However we have promoters and track owners that would rather take guaranteed money and not have to work a little and promote and part of me understands. All I want is to see them take a chance. I have been promoting the hell out of the Kokomo race on the 23rd and the Bloomington deal on Sept. 22 I don't car what tire you run get your ass there and race and let's have a tire battle as well as some damn good racing with lots of cars for the fans. The fans desire to see as many cars as they can for their hard earn money they spend to get into the stands.

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If brand X tire is $180 and Brand A tire is $210 and you are just as fast on both which one are you going to buy. If you continue to buy the $210 tire then you have more money then I do, I want the best bang for the buck. Eventually you are either going to get a less expensive brand A because they won't be selling tires or you are going to get better tires.

The point is we all hate spec racing and forcing us to run a specific brand tire on all 4 corners is spec racing or at least the start of spec racing. Would you put a companies name on your car without monetary or product in exchange, NO you wouldn't and letting the force you to put their tires on all 4 corner is doing just that.

David Hair

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Boss while you can run any combo you want. does give a free RR to the racer that finishes highest of both brands that do run all four corners of that brand.

Not exactly free... If you go pick the tire up at the distributor in Indy, there is a 25 dollar shipping fee , 25 cent disposal fee, and 1.75 tax on the shipping. I gotta bill as proof.

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Ok 95% off :)

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We appreciated the tire certificate from BOSS and the other accolades that accompanied our win at Lawrenceburg. I sure didn`t want this to get misconceived as we were upset that the distributor invoked a surcharge for the tire. It was viewed as a cost of doing business by the distributor.

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I live in Kokomo. I have not seen any of your work promoting the 23rd. I saw Spencer Racing help get a local Courtyard hotel to give discounts,but other than that I haven't seen any from you. I write a racing column and I would be glad to mention it.

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If he's telling other guys at Paragon or that have sprints and fans To go do the BC race and the Bloomington Race. He's promoting., He also built his own car that is classic looking. He's promoting. He may never win anything big but he's bringing a car putting on a show and supporting tracks that allow him to race at what he can afford to do it for.

He's promoting, No different than Spencers. Well a little, Josh is promoting to get new fans, David is promoting to keep em :)

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The main question I get when trying to get new people to the races is what time will it be over? I have never had one ask me about tire companies. The sport needs new, and younger fans. Every year the crowd gets older.

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I am one of the few that is getting younger.

I spoke with several drivers last night at Paragon asking them to go to Kokomo on the 23rd. Me talking with other drivers to get them to go race is what I was talking about when I said promoting.

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Well we have that in common

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Always enjoy watching your car. Thanks for doing it to you and all others who do it

Wow,i thought my posts were the only exciting ones on here.i have been looking in the wrong places.i don't know what they are doing,but it is good.the car counts do not lie.boss has unlocked the secret.

Money talks in racing.

Anyone else think that sometime David is just yanking our chain? And I don't really have a problem with it