Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 2018.
 

Per the Mansfield Motor Speedway Facebook Page
Breaking News - $100,000 to win Sprint Car World Championship set for April 27th & 28th 2018 at Mansfield Motor Speedway! Top 3 finishers of this weekends Great Lakes Dirt Nationals to be locked into next years event. Full story in link below
Link - http://www.mansfieldmotorspeedway.com/SCWC_2018/
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Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

This is great. Now if they would put together a program for non wingers it would be even more impressive .:8:

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Says that the top three will lock themselves into the race This Weekend. That should draw a few Posse and Many beyond the C Main at Knoxville.

Im really hoping this track will host a big $$ Non Wing race. Doesn't have to be 50-100k but 20-30k something like that Rival the Oval Nationals, Id hold it the weekend after Indiana Sprintweek The back straight deal has me curious. Could be a layered Patio hillside built or something

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by robert gatten:
This is great. Now if they would put together a program for non wingers it would be even more impressive .:8:

Would be cool to see.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Says that the top three will lock themselves into the race This Weekend. That should draw a few Posse and Many beyond the C Main at Knoxville.

Im really hoping this track will host a big $$ Non Wing race. Doesn't have to be 50-100k but 20-30k something like that Rival the Oval Nationals, Id hold it the weekend after Indiana Sprintweek The back straight deal has me curious. Could be a layered Patio hillside built or something

Night # 1 Qualifying, Heats, B-Mains, & twin $5,000 to win $500 to start features. Night #2 Heats, B-Mains, and a $30,000 to win and $3,000 to start A-Main. Non-qualifiers race $3,000 to win & $500 to start would draw some cars plus maybe Midgets as a support class. Could be a successful show if promoted right

Why do all the massive paying shows have to be for winged cars.can anyone in this galaxy answer that question.i like both,but come on.why some promoter won't do this for traditional sprint cars is beyond comprehension.are they scared that they will not get a crowd big enough.i want all opinions.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Why do all the massive paying shows have to be for winged cars.can anyone in this galaxy answer that question.i like both,but come on.why some promoter won't do this for traditional sprint cars is beyond comprehension.are they scared that they will not get a crowd big enough.i want all opinions.

I think it is because non wing teams and fans do not support higher paying shows. In a couple of weeks there is a $10,000 to win and $1000 to start show that will not draw a super high car count. I think this will be interesting because checking the Outlaw and All Star schedule they both ran that weekend. The Outlaws were at Plymouth on Friday and Haubstadt on Saturday. The All Stars were at Williams Grove and I believe Port Royal. I doubt any of those tracks will want to give up those dates. This could be interesting as only the winners share has been announced. If the All Stars and the Outlaws run their traditional dates, what kind of car count and names would be left?

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Outside Central IN there just isn't a big NW fan base, It's growing with the BOSS and WAR but it's nothing compared to the Iowa, PA, SD, OH, NY wing base that say show for the Kings Royal and stuff. Also during those big shows, The Knox Nationals, Kings Royal. Many tracks shut down.

I really don't know what all when on with Husets. Seems there's 20-30 weekends a year, seems like every track could have a couple big dates if they wanted em, But lets Lock teams in with loyalty contracts, boycott and badmouth till it doesn't exist anymore.

Hope that doesn't happen with Mansfield.

Used to be tracks started their own Non Sanction shows, grew em into a few big events and then WoO would come in as a sanction body. Now if they can't be part of it from the get go. The whole WRG boycotts.

David Gravel has already tweeted basically begging the Outlaws to sanction it or if not, leave the weekend open. The drivers will be very mad if they have to run for a regular purse that weekend.

Why are all the big paying shows ran winged? It's simple. There are 2 reasons. Middle to lower budget non wing teams don't support bigger paying shows. Secondly outside of Indiana NW does not have nearly as big a fan base.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

I will hold my opinion on this until the end of the season.

Jerry #66j

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Speaking for myself as a team owner of a lower budget non wing sprint car team from SW Ohio and only myself.

We will absolutely go to and support bigger paying shows. But there are other criteria that have to be met as well.

What is the pay for outside of winning? How well is the show going to pay on back to 20th or even for tow $$?

Most non wing local races only pay $100 tow $. That does not cover the cost of loading up and driving to just about any track, let alone the pit passes to get in for the driver and 2 crew members. Put on top of that all the costs associated with running a car and you lose $ to go run any show that you do not make the feature.

Add to that the fact that my $18,000 800 HP motor will likely not compete against the bigger teams $35,000 to $50,000 900+ HP motors at a track the size of Mansfield or an Eldora. So, yes we would think hard about going to any big $ race at a big track that does not pay more than average $ beyond the top 5 or for tow money.

Winged racers will typically get more $ for tow $ and for placing in the top 20. So it is logical that you will get more cars at a winged show.

We are racing this weekend at Mansfield in all 3 non winged shows. Heck we might even throw on a wing and at least put the car on the track to collect the tow $ for the winged races.

But anyone expecting non winged budget racers to jump all over a big $ to win show that doesn't pay much more than the average local show to place or simply tow their car to the track far far away is probably kidding themselves. Racing takes $ and the more of it you have to put into racing the better equipment and more races you can get. For now, we will go to a local $1,500 to win show that pays $250 to start over a big $ show that includes a hotel stay and only pays the same to start. It just doesn't make sense to do otherwise for us.

It's one of the reason's we like the BOSS series. They take care of their loyal drivers and make sure it's worth it to haul the car other places than the local track.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I think it is because non wing teams and fans do not support higher paying shows. In a couple of weeks there is a $10,000 to win and $1000 to start show that will not draw a super high car count.

I don't know if that's entirely true. That show you're speaking of will still draw over 40 cars the first and the stands will be jam packed as always. 40ish cars is the same amount of cars they draw for the Oval Nats or 4-Crown. Between 40-50 is about as good as it gets these days.

If you consider the drivers and teams that will show up. It's easy to see why some of the smaller, less funded or inexperienced teams/drivers would stay away.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

An awfully large amount of cash to put out for a race......

....especially in April.

Look at how many times the Kokomo Grand Prix for midgets has fought the elements. April is very iffy, at best. The weekend in question for this event will be the same weekend WoO was at Plymouth this year.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by david mitchell:
Why do all the massive paying shows have to be for winged cars.can anyone in this galaxy answer that question.i like both,but come on.why some promoter won't do this for traditional sprint cars is beyond comprehension.are they scared that they will not get a crowd big enough.i want all opinions.

That's winged sprint county, like here in Wisconsin the fans won't show in large enough numbers.
Hell Eldora had a million dollar purse for non winged and only 9000 people showed up, if it would have been winged they would have had 20,000+.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by Augie:
That's winged sprint county, like here in Wisconsin the fans won't show in large enough numbers.
Hell Eldora had a million dollar purse for non winged and only 9000 people showed up, if it would have been winged they would have had 20,000+.

It was also a Hundred Dollar ticket. Not exactly bring the kids etc gate price. It was also in Sept. and the friday portion was a school day. Fri's crowd was thin, Saturday was decent. Not near Kings Royal Size but decent.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike:
An awfully large amount of cash to put out for a race......

....especially in April.

Look at how many times the Kokomo Grand Prix for midgets has fought the elements. April is very iffy, at best. The weekend in question for this event will be the same weekend WoO was at Plymouth this year.

That's kind of what I was thinking too................And shouldn't a World Championship be at the end of a year? Just thinking out loud???

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
It was also a Hundred Dollar ticket. Not exactly bring the kids etc gate price. It was also in Sept. and the friday portion was a school day. Fri's crowd was thin, Saturday was decent. Not near Kings Royal Size but decent.

$80, $84 for reserved seat, and was good for both days.
And just a tick over 9000 fans, the late model million was the same price with a much larger purse and 3x more fans.

The Mansfield show can be a success, probably be separate ticket each day, good forecast for 2 days straight in April is tough but will make or break this thing.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

I can't believe the usual people haven't asked about the tire rule. You guys are letting me down

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I can't believe the usual people haven't asked about the tire rule. You guys are letting me down

Or the weather☀️💦🌪❄️🌨

Originally Posted by Jerry Spencer:
I will hold my opinion on this until the end of the season.

Jerry #66j

Tease

Thank you for that insight on the low to mid range budget teams. Makes total sense. So with that in mind, why doesn't a promoter put together a show for NW that pays the big bucks, but spreads it all the way back to the tow money? Would bring more cars= more fans.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by Team96:
Speaking for myself as a team owner of a lower budget non wing sprint car team from SW Ohio and only myself.

We will absolutely go to and support bigger paying shows. But there are other criteria that have to be met as well.

What is the pay for outside of winning? How well is the show going to pay on back to 20th or even for tow $$?

Most non wing local races only pay $100 tow $. That does not cover the cost of loading up and driving to just about any track, let alone the pit passes to get in for the driver and 2 crew members. Put on top of that all the costs associated with running a car and you lose $ to go run any show that you do not make the feature.

Add to that the fact that my $18,000 800 HP motor will likely not compete against the bigger teams $35,000 to $50,000 900+ HP motors at a track the size of Mansfield or an Eldora. So, yes we would think hard about going to any big $ race at a big track that does not pay more than average $ beyond the top 5 or for tow money.

Winged racers will typically get more $ for tow $ and for placing in the top 20. So it is logical that you will get more cars at a winged show.

We are racing this weekend at Mansfield in all 3 non winged shows. Heck we might even throw on a wing and at least put the car on the track to collect the tow $ for the winged races.

But anyone expecting non winged budget racers to jump all over a big $ to win show that doesn't pay much more than the average local show to place or simply tow their car to the track far far away is probably kidding themselves. Racing takes $ and the more of it you have to put into racing the better equipment and more races you can get. For now, we will go to a local $1,500 to win show that pays $250 to start over a big $ show that includes a hotel stay and only pays the same to start. It just doesn't make sense to do otherwise for us.

It's one of the reason's we like the BOSS series. They take care of their loyal drivers and make sure it's worth it to haul the car other places than the local track.

Just a heads up since you mentioned it, Mansfield is only running on Friday and Saturday. They cancelled the Sunday race. Just thought I'd let ya know so you don't show up to a vacant track or rent a hotel for too many nights.

Pretty sure he's referring to the Make up feature also being ran Friday as the 3 nonwing races. But definitely a good reminder about the Sunday being taken off the schedule

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Also, this thing is less than 9 months away. they should have more details out by now?
Locking three cars in from a Great Lakes Sprints race a week after the announcement seems odd,
especially with 100 winged cars at the national's, a way to boost car count this weekend?

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by Augie:
Also, this thing is less than 9 months away. they should have more details out by now?
Locking three cars in from a Great Lakes Sprints race a week after the announcement seems odd,
especially with 100 winged cars at the national's, a way to boost car count this weekend?

Car count isn't going to be a problem. Over half the Ohio crew and posse aren't in Knoxville. It's also a way to guarantee three racers are guaranteed two decent pay days. This Sat and next spring.

It might be great if that's all you plan to run is WoO or All Stars or whatever. But these loyalty contracts suck. Racers should be allowed to run where and when they want. It's what I love about Larson, Bell Rico, Bacon, Thorson, Bayston etc. They show up and kick ass no matter where they are at..

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

One thing I don't think people are considering when they say, I hope the Outlaws don't schedule against them. I would bet most of the contracts with tracks for next year have already been signed. You don't release a schedule in December, and start working on it at Thanksgiving.I also think the word boycott is too strong to describe teams that don't run Mansfield. If these teams get a sponsor and commit to run all the Outlaw races, they have to do it. If they need the appearance money to make it, they have to do it. I hope it goes well.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

On my way

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
It might be great if that's all you plan to run is WoO or All Stars or whatever. But these loyalty contracts suck. Racers should be allowed to run where and when they want. It's what I love about Larson, Bell Rico, Bacon, Thorson, Bayston etc. They show up and kick ass no matter where they are at..

Good point, to make it a sanctioned race it very costly, our fair board tried to get the WOO and I believe it was $55,000? That money has to come out of our pocket, and then they want to run their usual format, about the only format exception is The Kings Royal, and Knoxville Nationals.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

pushing off towards Mansfield :23:

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

38 BOSS
39 305's wings
63 410's wings

140 sprint cars at Mansfield!

The loyalty contracts are what makes the WoO strong as a business.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Originally Posted by dsc1600:
The loyalty contracts are what makes the WoO strong as a business.

Guess that's why they filed bankruptcy twice before WRG took over?

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Dustin Smith won the first feature.
The second feature was Cottle Fischesser, D.Smith.
Left after the second Red in the Winged 15k race. It was 230AM, Home at 5
Great facility, Need to get their stuff together. Realize it's a growing process. But five and ten minutes between heats to push cars around the track. NAH BABY NAH. Push four on the front straight, start em, push out four more. and so on.

Are you arguing whether the WoO with over 90 dates coast to coast paying more than 5 million in purses is a successful business?

Maybe we should follow the non winged model where they pay 900 for 5th on the national touring series?

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Thought about going, but figured it would be a late night. Wasn't thinking that late. That it why I don't get hung up on big car counts. Glad to see Dustin Smith get a win. I like the way that car looks.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Im not sure but I think this was only the third sprint show they ran completely. Like I said it was more about logistics than anything. The first thing they did wrong was push all 69 sprints into the old pit road. Then couldn't get the push trucks through the line. Then that area was so dusty until about the 8th heat when they finally ran the water truck through it and the insides of the track. It was taking between 5-10 minutes to push out cars. get em started, lined up and the next race started. ADD That FIVE OR TEN MINUTES 14 TIMES and it added way over a hour to the show. The started a bit late as the track was wet. Nothing can do about the wreck delays, they did ok for the most part getting those cleaned up.

The track faces North to South so the sun set behind the main grandstand putting the suit section in shade all afternoon. the rest of the stands were shaded by 7pm

The great news was the track held up for all that racing. Never had to touch the surface all night. Didn't see pass one in the wing heats after the first lap. But the two consi's had guys hammer the cushion and come from fifth and ninth which made me want to stay and see the wing feature. Was just too late. Got to bed at 530.

The grandstand is big and roomy Probably room for another section on each end. Has Handicap ramps on each end and also a elevator that not only goes to the suits but up to a handicap area at the top of the grandstand (Im sure those are reserved seating) Top ten rows under the suits had seat backs. But I sat toward one. Same amount of rows as Lawrenceburg but they aren't as steep. plenty of leg room.

Concessions were woefully inadequate. Line moved ok, but there was NO FOOD. People just grabbing whatever they threw up as done and the quality suffered. Need to boil 500 metts, dogs etc at a time. add fryers etc. Glad I grabbed something early.

Great big Restrooms on each end. No problems there, they stayed nice and clean tons of stalls, three big multi unit sinks.

I honestly didn't know it but when I got off the exit I got off at, There sat the Prison they used in Shawshank Redemption (They closed the brick section and built a new one behind it. It offers tours from 10-4 daily. Just missed it by a half hour. It's literally only a couple miles south of the track Someone said the Halloween event at the Prison is one of the scarriest things he's done.

Mr. Sommer really wants to hold some major races, Big paying races. He's got the facility to do it. I felt if things ran the way they should (Hotlapped on time. Got races going in 2-3 minutes instead of ten). They could have still gotten it done by midnight, which would have been OK. It's just a logistics thing, They'll figure it out Im sure. Gotta give major props that the track workers didn't take a break in 8hrs. and that the track held up for 14 heats six consi's and four features

They cut the 410 feature by 10 laps,which probably didn't sit well with the cars in 4th,5th and 6th. Who knows flat tire or mechanical failure to be in a feature that pays 100 grand. Anyways congrats to Caleb Armstrong for his win. And can't forget Shane Cottle on his win.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

Simple math really. You want a good car count give 5th on back in the b-main 2,000 grand to start & the guy's in the c-main a grand to start. A-main will get enough for finishing in the A, heck 100 grand isn't enough. Why do they need start money ?

Leave it "sanctioned" just the way it is. FAST. If the WOO can't leave that date open for their racers then tough titty. Same goe's for the All Stars.

Re: Mansfield (OH) $100,000 to win Sprints. April 27-28 201
 

This race didn't pay 100 grand, It paid 15. However the top three are locked into the 100k to win show. Yeah, probably didn't sit well with 4-5-6th guys to cut it short. I wouldn't know, I left.

Got to agree with you Charles, seems like a raw deal to those who ran behind them