Lincoln Park Speedway - August 24th
 

Join us Saturday, August 24th as Sprints, Modifieds, Super Stocks and Bombers take to the track once again in the heart of beautiful, downtown, Putnamville, Indiana!

General Admission $13.00
Pit Passes $30.00
Kids 10 and Under Always FREE at LPS!

Pit Gates Open at 3
Main Gates Open at 4:30
Hot Laps at 6
and
Racing at 7

Visit us at www.lincolnparkspeedway.com for details.

Lincoln Park Speedway - Where Every Week Is Sprint Week!

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Running sprints against Smackdown, you wonder why it took so long to get into the "club" for sprintweek? There is your answer right there.

Maybe not everyone wants to race at smackdown. Give the ones that dont a place to race. And if thats what it takes to get in the club sounds like bulling to me.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Running sprints against Smackdown, you wonder why it took so long to get into the "club" for sprintweek? There is your answer right there.

John,

FYI Bloomington is running sprints this Friday as well.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Running sprints against Smackdown, you wonder why it took so long to get into the "club" for sprintweek? There is your answer right there.

one in every bunch lol

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I'm not saying wether they should or shouldnt, dont think you can see that in my post. Just saying that they tried for several years to get into sprintweek, still trying to get in KISS and the reason I heard was that they ran sprint cars against sprintweek and other "big" shows. Not saying either way wether that is right or wrong just putting the facts out there. Flame me if you like I could care less.

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Most of the low budget guys like us dont have the money to race this weekend at Kokomo and are just glad we have some options this weekend to race. There are 3 races this weekend for "the rest of us" to compete. Even though the car counts at Bloomington and LPS will probably be down a little this week, that doesn't mean we won't be working hard to get ready and I'm sure the drivers will be driving as hard as they can to win even though it is not the smackdown.

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Running sprints against Smackdown, you wonder why it took so long to get into the "club" for sprintweek? There is your answer right there.

"Club" What club? No tracks should run NW Sprints from Thurs-Sunday?Cmon Hoover aren't you bigger than that?

Sometimes "the reason I heard" and "just putting the facts out", aren't mutually exclusive.

Just ask my French boyfriend.

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Not trying to offend anyone here, because the Smackdown is a great event and I'm glad it is going on. However, much like any other big weekend event paying a lot of money, there are plenty of drivers that would like a chance to compete for a feature win. Whether their team is a "big money" team or not, even some of the well funded teams these days can't afford to haul wherever they feel like with gas prices and it being the latter side of the season. Plus, as a fan, how can you argue with being able to see guys like Jon Stanbrough and Dave Darland, Brady Short and a multitude of others, who have chosen to stay more local on nights when there are non-point shows for big pay days at other tracks. As a fan of the sport, it's great to see guys run all over the place and not just all consolidate at one area for one big show. There's a lot of great drivers that are on the verge of the win that would like to pick one up at any track. So best of luck and safe hot shoeing it to every driver this weekend, regardless of track and class!

Well said cary.

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Originally Posted by Redwood17257:
Not trying to offend anyone here, because the Smackdown is a great event and I'm glad it is going on. However, much like any other big weekend event paying a lot of money, there are plenty of drivers that would like a chance to compete for a feature win. Whether their team is a "big money" team or not, even some of the well funded teams these days can't afford to haul wherever they feel like with gas prices and it being the latter side of the season. Plus, as a fan, how can you argue with being able to see guys like Jon Stanbrough and Dave Darland, Brady Short and a multitude of others, who have chosen to stay more local on nights when there are non-point shows for big pay days at other tracks. As a fan of the sport, it's great to see guys run all over the place and not just all consolidate at one area for one big show. There's a lot of great drivers that are on the verge of the win that would like to pick one up at any track. So best of luck and safe hot shoeing it to every driver this weekend, regardless of track and class!

Anything wrong with Paragon, Waynesfield or Clay County? They are all running this Saturday

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I'll remember this thread when the debates come up of why non-wing sprint car racing can't get a toehold. And why purses don't go up. And why car counts are stagnant to waning.

We have a crazy mentality around here.

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Originally Posted by quicktime3:
I'll remember this thread when the debates come up of why non-wing sprint car racing can't get a toehold. And why purses don't go up. And why car counts are stagnant to waning.

We have a crazy mentality around here.

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Please help me understand your point. Are you saying that problems with car counts, purses, etc. are because the other tracks won't drop their top class for USAC/Kokomo or other "big" races?

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Originally Posted by racefan20:
Anything wrong with Paragon, Waynesfield or Clay County? They are all running this Saturday

Absolutely not. I plan on being at Clay County Saturday. :6:

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I remember this whole debate last year, and I'm sure somebody could find that thread. The bottom line is simple, certain teams aren't gonna spend that much money going to the smackdown to run against guys that have a trailer full of new tires and an actual crew of guys working on their car. For us, it's just me and my son working on our car, and just like alot of guys, we have spent every dime we can scrape up just trying to get to the track. So, the Kokomo car count would not have went up by our car attending this year even if Paragon, LPS, and Clay County all were shut down this weekend. So that argument might be the case for some teams, but not ours........

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Wheather you race at Smackdown or some other track just race. Don't wine and cry about who is running against who. This is America and all these tracks have to do whats best for there business. I'm sure they will all have great races but I will be at Kokomo for Smackdown just because I can!!:)

Originally Posted by PJ Wright:
Please help me understand your point. Are you saying that problems with car counts, purses, etc. are because the other tracks won't drop their top class for USAC/Kokomo or other "big" races?

It is because of this prevailing small-time mindset. Why would anyone strive for more money or higher car counts if they can plainly see that Indiana sprint car racing would rather race local shows?

Why wouldn't all tracks want to work toward successful races that make racers happy and make more money?

This year is a step backwards from last year. Two Indiana tracks chose to compete against the Smackdown this year. While a competitor like Mr. Morin wouldn't go to Kokomo, surely some will choose to skip Kokomo to instead race at Bloomington or Putnamville. Or leave after Thursday night. Not only will Kokomo lose competitors (even one is an impact when trying to show the growing strength of a start-up "big show"), they will also lose fans, not only in those who will spectate at Bloomington/Putnamville but in those who will compete there instead of watching Kokomo.

This all sends the wrong message. I hope O'Connors press on despite this mindset. I hope they continue to pay, despite this mindset. I hope sponsors will want to be involved, despite this mindset.

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Originally Posted by PJ Wright:
Please help me understand your point. Are you saying that problems with car counts, purses, etc. are because the other tracks won't drop their top class for USAC/Kokomo or other "big" races?

I think if you want tracks to pay higher purses, those are the shows you should support. If I ran a track and saw Someone else was paying less, and getting more cars, why would I ever pay more for the purse. Hope it is a good safe weekend for everyone, and all fields are full.

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Originally Posted by quicktime3:
It is because of this prevailing small-time mindset. Why would anyone strive for more money or higher car counts if they can plainly see that Indiana sprint car racing would rather race local shows?

Why wouldn't all tracks want to work toward successful races that make racers happy and make more money?

This year is a step backwards from last year. Two Indiana tracks chose to compete against the Smackdown this year. While a competitor like Mr. Morin wouldn't go to Kokomo, surely some will choose to skip Kokomo to instead race at Bloomington or Putnamville. Or leave after Thursday night. Not only will Kokomo lose competitors (even one is an impact when trying to show the growing strength of a start-up "big show"), they will also lose fans, not only in those who will spectate at Bloomington/Putnamville but in those who will compete there instead of watching Kokomo.

This all sends the wrong message. I hope O'Connors press on despite this mindset. I hope they continue to pay, despite this mindset. I hope sponsors will want to be involved, despite this mindset.

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Thank you this is EXACTLY the point I was trying to get across before the flames started.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
If I ran a track and saw Someone else was paying less, and getting more cars, why would I ever pay more for the purse.

Exhibit "A" is always Paragon. The big purse may draw the top teams, but it doesn't draw the most teams.

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Maybe from your perspective as a fan, but not from the perspective of an actual car owner, who knows his budget, and what he can spend to satisfy his craving to race, like someone else said, a win is a win to a lot of us "field fillers" as we sometimes are refered to, and we know that, so why go somewhere we know going in, it is going to be a big loss, that might have bought us 3-4 more races this season or next, sometimes I have a problem with the "mindset" of "non car owners", but just being a simple ass, I guess I wouldn't understand anyway! Bob

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Originally Posted by quicktime3:
It is because of this prevailing small-time mindset. Why would anyone strive for more money or higher car counts if they can plainly see that Indiana sprint car racing would rather race local shows?

Why wouldn't all tracks want to work toward successful races that make racers happy and make more money?

This year is a step backwards from last year. Two Indiana tracks chose to compete against the Smackdown this year. While a competitor like Mr. Morin wouldn't go to Kokomo, surely some will choose to skip Kokomo to instead race at Bloomington or Putnamville. Or leave after Thursday night. Not only will Kokomo lose competitors (even one is an impact when trying to show the growing strength of a start-up "big show"), they will also lose fans, not only in those who will spectate at Bloomington/Putnamville but in those who will compete there instead of watching Kokomo.

This all sends the wrong message. I hope O'Connors press on despite this mindset. I hope they continue to pay, despite this mindset. I hope sponsors will want to be involved, despite this mindset.

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Thanks for explaining. I suspect that many racers are perfectly content with what they're doing: racing one night a week, just for fun, with no illusion of ever going big time. They might think that it would be great to be able to race full-time for big bucks but they know that it's never going to happen and they're OK with that. They're having fun. They have enough to worry about buying a new tire or enough fuel. I sure can't expect them to carry the burden of growing the sport. JMO, but then again, I've never been a "bigger is always better" kind of guy.:)
Bottom line, like Brent said, I hope everybody has a safe weekend.

And that's fine.

What I'm saying is, the tracks should want to grow the sport. And those of us who want to see professional sprint car drivers have a chance to make a living should want to grow the sport. And those car owners who complain about pay or sponsors or pretty much anything should want to grow the sport. And any driver who ever aspires to make money racing or even just wants to "be somebody" should want to grow the sport. Bigger events do not mean the end of local shows. A more successful non-wing sprint car racing world would actually open up more racing and more opportunities from top to bottom.

Maybe I'm from a different planet, but this seems like a no-brainer for anyone who truly loves sprint car racing.

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Exactly. My problem is 2 weeks from now when everyone is saying the races should pay more. I see that all the time on here. Racers can decide that by who they choose to support.

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Brent and qt3: I understand your logic, but sometimes there are other, more subtle, factors involved in a team's decision where to race. Let's say there is racer from near P'ville. All his family, crew, those folks who have supported him with a few bucks all live near by and, for a variety of reasons, can't travel anywhere other than their local track. Why shouldn't they get to watch their buddy race this weekend? Each team knows their own situation and budget better than I do, so who am I to tell them where and when they should race?
Just to be clear, I think the Smackdown is a great event that will have long-term success. I just don't think the rest of the Indiana sprint car world needs to shut down in order to make that happen.

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I don't think you do understand. The point is not that guys should not want to race. The point is that by giving everyone the option, the tracks are competing with Smackdown and taking away from it. And I honestly can't imagine that it's a good business decision to run this weekend, either. Even a profit this weekend would have to be marginal. August isn't notoriously good for business, anyway.

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Originally Posted by quicktime3:
I don't think you do understand. The point is not that guys should not want to race. The point is that by giving everyone the option, the tracks are competing with Smackdown and taking away from it.

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So you don't think racers should have the option of where they're going to race??? "If you're going to race your sprint car this weekend, Buddy, it's going to be where I say". Tell me again how dictating to a racer when and where he can race is going to "grow the sport". Wow, I guess we'll just have to disagree.

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Originally Posted by quicktime3:
I don't think you do understand. The point is not that guys should not want to race. The point is that by giving everyone the option, the tracks are competing with Smackdown and taking away from it. And I honestly can't imagine that it's a good business decision to run this weekend, either. Even a profit this weekend would have to be marginal. August isn't notoriously good for business, anyway.

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I have the feeling you are the one who doesn't understand, there will still be a load of cars there, and the other entities will have their share as well, what difference does it make to you, where or why people/teams decide to show their support, everyone comes out happy in the end, except you, maybe, you have lost me, and I think you're lost also! Do you realize that oftimes, too many show up, and it makes a lot of people unhappy, just because it takes a lot of time to work thru the stack! Bob

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Originally Posted by quicktime3:
I don't think you do understand. The point is not that guys should not want to race. The point is that by giving everyone the option, the tracks are competing with Smackdown and taking away from it. And I honestly can't imagine that it's a good business decision to run this weekend, either. Even a profit this weekend would have to be marginal. August isn't notoriously good for business, anyway.

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Maybe it isn't my turn, but I have the feeling we've just been exposed to the newest "Drone"! Bob:deadhorse:

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The good news is, it is now painfully obvious why Indiana is the place with the most sprint car tracks paying the least amount of money. And why no single major event has been able to stand the test of time. The market simply will not support it. Best of luck to the O'Connors - they know what they're working against and that they need all they can get!

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I wonder how many people are viewing all these posts about all the places that are racing this weekend and don't have a track anywhere near them? Just enjoy all the options we have around us.

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Originally Posted by downwithallison:
I wonder how many people are viewing all these posts about all the places that are racing this weekend and don't have a track anywhere near them? Just enjoy all the options we have around us.

I used to be in that group,then I moved here............

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I am not questioning any of the decisions that any one makes. They are simply doing what they feel is in there best interest, but if people don't support the higher paying races there is no reason to have them. There is no market for them. That is not meant to be critical of any one.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I am not questioning any of the decisions that any one makes. They are simply doing what they feel is in there best interest, but if people don't support the higher paying races there is no reason to have them. There is no market for them. That is not meant to be critical of any one.

I somewhat agree Mr Funk/Goodnight? However supporting big paying races is fine, lets say $5k to win, some racers and or fans would rather go to 4 races paying $1250.00 each to win for whatever reason, if those aren't supported they might cease to exist also, would you agree? So maybe the "mindset" of no other tracks running during a 'big show/s at other tracks is not so well for all racers/fans considered?
We should agree that at least we live in a country where we all have choices, no matter what one wants/likes to do.

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I’m just a spectator old and fairly new.
I think this thread sounds like a bunch of politicians campaigning for office.
One group wants to be the governing body that has absolute control over everything (Communism).
Another group wants everyone to be free to compete when and where they want (Capitalism).
A third group that is go-along to get-along (useless pacifist).
I believe that competition makes everything better.
Without competition drivers and mechanics will not improve.
The same is true for tracks, without competition your spectators and race teams will not have anyplace else to go, so why improve.
Kokomo is competing with other Friday and Saturday tracks and is putting on a good event.
Capitalism makes things better.

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Just a few thoughts on the situation. I do think there are reasons why some racers don't attend big shows like the Smackdown. Here are a few that come to mind.

1)Most all racers have other jobs and many of them don't race but one night a week. Since we have 3 tracks in Indiana that run traditional sprints on Saturday night, did any of you think that maybe they can only afford to run one night and also it has to be Saturday since they have to work Monday through Friday. Something to think about maybe-maybe not.

2)Being it starts on Thursday and continues on Friday, that might also be a factor in some racers not even attempting to go to Kokomo. Maybe they don't feel they can make enough money to offset being away from their normal job. Something to think about maybe-maybe not.

3)The Smackdown is run under USAC rules. Many budget racers don't race with USAC for a variety of reasons so they also don't plan on attending. Something to think about maybe-maybe not.

4)To run the Smackdown there is a $35.00 entry fee for non members both Thursday & Friday night and also $40.00 for Saturday. That is $110.00 before pit passes which are the same price. Also if you are a non member and make the feature, they will subtract $100.00 from your check. Something to think about maybe-maybe not.

4)USAC's format is for 2 laps of qualifying and 4 heat races only with 4 transfering to the feature. Everyone else transfers to an alphabet or hooligan race. If you run the alphabet of mains without making the feature, a lot of wear and tear on the car, tires, etc.....without a lot of green ($$$$$$) to show for it. Something to think about maybe-maybe not.

5)If no other track runs Friday or Saturday night, do you really think that every traditional sprint car racer in Indiana would attend the Smackdown or would many just say no way and plan on staying at home. Everyone (car owners, drivers and fans) has a budget and only they know how much they can spend.

So I would recommend that before we throw anyone under the bus we might all look at this in a different light. Maybe they would like to be there for the Smackdown but that the budget just won't allow that to happen. Be thankful if you can make it and enjoy the experience.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfan:
I somewhat agree Mr Funk/Goodnight? However supporting big paying races is fine, lets say $5k to win, some racers and or fans would rather go to 4 races paying $1250.00 each to win for whatever reason, if those aren't supported they might cease to exist also, would you agree? So maybe the "mindset" of no other tracks running during a 'big show/s at other tracks is not so well for all racers/fans considered?
We should agree that at least we live in a country where we all have choices, no matter what one wants/likes to do.

I agree. Everyone should do whats best for them, but next week don't complain about not enough money. I understand both sides, but I have seen many posts about purses needing to be raised. Of course a lot of times that is from people who won't be at any of these races.

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what no tracks in Maine running sprints on dirt, Andrew? Just kidding, I envy you moving to Indiana! Although I must say that living in the woods suits me just fine when I go out for a quad ride, or sailing on Lake Roosevelt a few times a year!

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