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ITS TIME FOR THE POWERS TO BE IN MIDGET RACING TOO PUT A STOP TO THE HIGH COST OF THE ENGINES! THIS RACE WAS ONCE A BIG EVENT WITH OVER 90 CARS TRYING TO MAKE THE II ROWS OF 3 ABREAST 33 CAR 100 LAP (NON STOP) RACE! NOW 22 CARS??????????????? SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! DONT LET THIS HOG BLEED TO DEATH!:headbang:thumbsdown::kookoo

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Nobody is listening. :thumbsdown:

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The "competiton red" on lap 75 changed the complextion of the race. I think it's BULLS$IT in short track racing because it takes away the strategy's of tire management(they also let them change air pressure during the"fuelstop"), and fuel economy(they ran 100 laps many times in the Hut Hundred without stopping for fuel). Does USAC think the fans want socialism or what? Sounds unamerican to me.

Is unamerican a word?

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They don't call it USUC for nothing, they try anything to "make" it a race, just like some other sanctioning bodies we all know.........can you say......... Nassuck and Indy cruse control events.

Where can I find out who won the thing??? Can't find a result post anywhere.

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I think the real issue was the scheduling. Now its not really anyone's fault. MSCS, Powri, USAC and the tracks all only have so many weekends available. I'm sure at the time POWRi and MSCS schedule their shows, there was no Hut 100 on that night because of Terre Haute's uncertainty. Well by the time USAC and THAT got together on what dates they could run the shows it probably worked out that was the only good option for the Hut 100. Unfortunately that put it direct conflict with both races. Sometimes it just happens and all the people involved really can't do anything to fix the situation, especially this late in the year.

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Originally Posted by arctic monkey21:
I think the real issue was the scheduling. Now its not really anyone's fault. MSCS, Powri, USAC and the tracks all only have so many weekends available. I'm sure at the time POWRi and MSCS schedule their shows, there was no Hut 100 on that night because of Terre Haute's uncertainty. Well by the time USAC and THAT got together on what dates they could run the shows it probably worked out that was the only good option for the Hut 100. Unfortunately that put it direct conflict with both races. Sometimes it just happens and all the people involved really can't do anything to fix the situation, especially this late in the year.

WRONG ITS THE HIGH COST OF RUNNING A MIDGET! WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN OVER 50 CARS AT THE HUT 100?:doh:

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You're right superduke, I know these engines there running are way to expensive. I wouldn't even begin to get into midget racing.
I still don't know who won?

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What did it pay to win/ to start?

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Originally Posted by speedracer:
what did it pay to win/ to start?

$3000.00 to win! $300.00 to start

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I read on another post that one guy left at 11 pm and it wasn't over? What wasn't over? And how was the Modified races? Both of them. Thanks

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50 is definitely feasible with a favorable schedule. Incorporate other sanctioning bodies. Knoxville drew over 40. These days there is always another race that you could go to as well. I'm not saying that costs can't be contained and purses increased. But you can see many more cars when the schedules align in your favor and you bring the other sanctions into the mix.

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Cole Whitt won, according to USAC's release.
The amazing thing is the "USAC" names missing. Darland, Yeley.



USAC MOPAR NATIONAL MIDGET CAR SERIES RACE RESULTS: October 4, 2008 – Terre Haute, Indiana – Terre Haute Action Track – 57th Running of the First Financial Bank “Hut Hundred” presented by Dorsett Mitsubishi



QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Brad Sweet, 49, Kahne-22.389; 2. Cole Whitt, 71, Kunz-22.563; 3. Darren Hagen, 9, Nine Racing-22.755; 4. Shane Cottle, 20s, Stewart-22.758; 5. Tracy Hines, 21, Stewart-22.771; 6. Bobby East, 4, Klatt-22.951; 7. Cole Carter, 7, Carter-22.992; 8. Brady Bacon, 99, Kahne-23.023; 9. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-23.140; 10. Jerry Coons Jr., 11, Wilke-Pak-23.263; 11. Jason Leffler, 32, RFMS-23.518; 12. Chad Boat, 30, Boat-23.572; 13. Brad Loyet, 05s, Loyet-23.591; 14. Dakoda Armstrong, 7a, C & A-23.691; 15. Brad Kuhn, 07, Mentgen-23.772; 16. Dustin Morgan, 67, Kunz-23.876; 17. Davey Ray, 16, Sandy-23.989; 18. Joe Liguori, 28, Owen-23.990; 19. Chase Barber, 90, Barber-24.097; 20. Ricky Ehrgott, 8, Rev 1-24.127; 21. Kody Swanson, 19, Nine Racing-24.217; 22. Justin Grosz, 39, Grosz-NT.



FEATURE: (100 laps) 1. Cole Whitt, 2. Shane Cottle, 3. Brad Sweet, 4. Tracy Hines, 5. Bobby East, 6. Dustin Morgan, 7. Darren Hagen, 8. Jerry Coons Jr., 9. Chase Barber, 10. Kody Swanson, 11. Ricky Ehrgott, 12. Davey Ray, 13. Dakoda Armstrong, 14. Brady Bacon, 15. Brad Kuhn, 16. Joe Liguori, 17. Levi Jones, 18. Brad Loyet, 19. Cole Carter, 20. Chad Boat, 21. Jason Leffler, 22. Justin Grosz. NT





FEATURE LAP LEADERS: Laps 1-45 Whitt, Laps 46-78 Cottle, laps 79-100 Whitt.



NEW MOPAR NATIONAL MIDGET CAR STANDINGS: 1-Hines-1,113; 2-Whitt-1,047; 3-Sweet-982; 4-East-947; 5-Bacon-936; 6-Jones-935; 7-Hagen-875; 8-Coons-749; 9-Dave Darland-717; 10-Kuhn-688.



NEXT MOPAR NATIONAL MIDGET RACE: October 9-10-11 – Pontoon Beach, IL – Tri-City Speedway - “Gold Crown Midget Nationals”

Jim Morrison

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Jim thanks for posting results for those who can' look. Results are on the results page and also on the thread that Chris Nunn provided updates all night. Chris's thread didn't say "Updates here" so I guess some posters missed that.

Superduke? did they shrink the midget tail tanks over the years or what???
A.J Foyt could make a 100 laps and that was hauling some azz around too?

What traditioal races are still the same????? Same track, same surface, same laps and same payout??
:dologob:

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Originally Posted by d.o.:
jim thanks for posting results for those who can' look. Results are on the results page and also on the thread that chris nunn provided updates all night. Chris's thread didn't say "updates here" so i guess some posters missed that.

Superduke? Did they shrink the midget tail tanks over the years or what???
A.j foyt could make a 100 laps and that was hauling some azz around too?

What traditioal races are still the same????? Same track, same surface, same laps and same payout??
:dologob:

if the change was for the better i'am for it! In my years the only thing better is the cars and driver safety is better!

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ALSO WE RACED 100 MILE MIDGET RACES AND MILE TRACKS!!!!!!!!!!! WE DID NOT STOP FOR FUEL!:applaud:

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Originally Posted by arctic monkey21:
50 is definitely feasible with a favorable schedule. Incorporate other sanctioning bodies. Knoxville drew over 40. These days there is always another race that you could go to as well. I'm not saying that costs can't be contained and purses increased. But you can see many more cars when the schedules align in your favor and you bring the other sanctions into the mix.

who scheduled the race! That!

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Hi the compention yellow was a surprise to me , I have never seen it in a midget race and hope never to see it again. Bacon cause a yellow and did not return to the race under his yellow and was allowed to return under another later yellow, dont understand that? USAC may of missed that or chose to change the rules for him. I have seen a lot of USAC races and never have I seen a car allowed to re-enter a race after they missed there yellow. I don't know all the rules but USAC never allowed this for other cars and races before.

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I think we need to remember that USAC does what is in the interest of the sport and in the interest of fairness to those that are in the sport.

Just what sport that is and who "those" are is a huge mystery. It certainly ain't openwheel racing. It seems as the 2008 race schedule goes on the more wheels fall off that USAC wagon and the more of a mess they are becoming.

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To shed some light on things, Current configurations in midget motors that produce 400-ish horsepower limit the mileage to less than 100 laps. Big horsepower takes two things...big $ and lots of fuel. The two biggest complaints (low car counts and the lap 75 caution) about last night are a direct correlation to these variables. Midget motors cost a lot to run and maintain so many people choose not to go to races where the motor is nearly used up afterwards and without that caution you would have seen the top 5-8 cars run dry with 10 or 15 to go. There are always exceptions to the rule but what would we be saying right now if they hadn't stopped at 75 for fuel and guys started falling out like fly's???? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Originally Posted by kstudley57:
To shed some light on things, Current configurations in midget motors that produce 400-ish horsepower limit the mileage to less than 100 laps. Big horsepower takes two things...big $ and lots of fuel. The two biggest complaints (low car counts and the lap 75 caution) about last night are a direct correlation to these variables. Midget motors cost a lot to run and maintain so many people choose not to go to races where the motor is nearly used up afterwards and without that caution you would have seen the top 5-8 cars run dry with 10 or 15 to go. There are always exceptions to the rule but what would we be saying right now if they hadn't stopped at 75 for fuel and guys started falling out like fly's???? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

WHO FAULT IS THAT?:doh:

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Originally Posted by arctic monkey21:
I think the real issue was the scheduling. Now its not really anyone's fault. MSCS, Powri, USAC and the tracks all only have so many weekends available. I'm sure at the time POWRi and MSCS schedule their shows, there was no Hut 100 on that night because of Terre Haute's uncertainty. Well by the time USAC and THAT got together on what dates they could run the shows it probably worked out that was the only good option for the Hut 100. Unfortunately that put it direct conflict with both races. Sometimes it just happens and all the people involved really can't do anything to fix the situation, especially this late in the year.

:redflag:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Hut 100 originally scheduled for the 5th?

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Midget racing is way out of control and until Mr. Miller and his vice presidents decide to do something about it, nothing is going to change with any of the "monkey-see, monkey-do" midget organizations around the country. Instead, they're chasing quarter midgets now and road course racing for Clown Cars.

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Originally Posted by kstudley57:
To shed some light on things, Current configurations in midget motors that produce 400-ish horsepower limit the mileage to less than 100 laps. Big horsepower takes two things...big $ and lots of fuel. The two biggest complaints (low car counts and the lap 75 caution) about last night are a direct correlation to these variables. Midget motors cost a lot to run and maintain so many people choose not to go to races where the motor is nearly used up afterwards and without that caution you would have seen the top 5-8 cars run dry with 10 or 15 to go. There are always exceptions to the rule but what would we be saying right now if they hadn't stopped at 75 for fuel and guys started falling out like fly's???? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

No, I don't agree, Thats where saving tires and fuel comes in which is the whole point of a hundred lapper. Wanna stomp the peddal and run 25 qualifying laps? Thats why their short and no worries on fuel or tires with the new tire rules.

I understand where your coming from but schedualling a hundred lapper is the whole point in those factors. The problem in my view and im not a expert is very few know how to do it. The only reason I could see for it is a excessive number of uncounted yellow laps.

Chuck, saying the midget tanks on sprints and mini tanks on midgets are a option. not mandated and sometimes that extra weight and fuel are helpful for both track conditions and making the end of a race.

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Originally Posted by kstudley57:
To shed some light on things, Current configurations in midget motors that produce 400-ish horsepower limit the mileage to less than 100 laps. Big horsepower takes two things...big $ and lots of fuel. The two biggest complaints (low car counts and the lap 75 caution) about last night are a direct correlation to these variables. Midget motors cost a lot to run and maintain so many people choose not to go to races where the motor is nearly used up afterwards and without that caution you would have seen the top 5-8 cars run dry with 10 or 15 to go. There are always exceptions to the rule but what would we be saying right now if they hadn't stopped at 75 for fuel and guys started falling out like fly's???? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

BAHAHAHA!:rolling I'm sorry, Mr Studley, but that is about the lamest reasoning I've ever heard. I may be missing something here but I'm not sure I see the point of continuing to schedule a 100 lap race for cars that are no longer capable of running 100 laps.
Maybe the distance is an equalizer so that a little guy, smart enough to prepare a 100 lap car, could beat a big guy, who uses up his car, tires and/or fuel before the scheduled distance.????
Maybe these guys should be informed that they are running a 100 lap race, non stop, and they should plan accordingly.... no exceptions, no excuses.:rolleyes:

usac has turned into a bad cartoon show.:thumbsdown:

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Originally Posted by mac miller:
BAHAHAHA!:rolling I'm sorry, Mr Studley, but that is about the lamest reasoning I've ever heard. I may be missing something here but I'm not sure I see the point of continuing to schedule a 100 lap race for cars that are no longer capable of running 100 laps.
Maybe the distance is an equalizer so that a little guy, smart enough to prepare a 100 lap car, could beat a big guy, who uses up his car, tires and/or fuel before the scheduled distance.????
Maybe these guy should be informed that they are running a 100 lap race, non stop, and they should plan accordingly.... no exceptions, no excuses.:rolleyes:

usac has turned into a bad cartoon show.:thumbsdown:

So you don't use the 400hp motor and finish the race. You also don't hotlap prior or durring a caution, You may not jump to the lead early and run full bore but run fifth till 20 laps to go and hope it holds out but with better tires and more fuel, you may just win it. I watched Darland conserve last night at The Burg in that 40 lapper and if not for being a little loose or changing his line he did make a run that final few laps. I don't know the exact reason but he was a major contender to beat them two.

Chuck saying he tried hard early and late but wasnt abusing the car durring the meat of the race.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
No, I don't agree, Thats where saving tires and fuel comes in which is the whole point of a hundred lapper. Wanna stomp the peddal and run 25 qualifying laps? Thats why their short and no worries on fuel or tires with the new tire rules.

I understand where your coming from but schedualling a hundred lapper is the whole point in those factors. The problem in my view and im not a expert is very few know how to do it. The only reason I could see for it is a excessive number of uncounted yellow laps.

Chuck, saying the midget tanks on sprints and mini tanks on midgets are a option. not mandated and sometimes that extra weight and fuel are helpful for both track conditions and making the end of a race.

TO WIN RACES YOU RUN AS HARD AS IT TAKES TO LEAD IT! YOU STROKE YOU GET LAPPED! :doh:

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
TO WIN RACES YOU RUN AS HARD AS IT TAKES TO LEAD IT! YOU STROKE YOU GET LAPPED! :doh:

True but theres only one lap where leading it matters :) and that gets you the :checkered:

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Originally Posted by Midget82:
:redflag:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Hut 100 originally scheduled for the 5th?

thats what I thought I have it on my schedule as being on the 5th as well

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What gets me is if they (USUC) knew they couldn't go 100 laps why run 100 laps. 2ndly, why didn't they schedule the fuel stop at 50 instead of 75? Maybe because they knew it would change the outcome of the race??? :doh:

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To win a long race which you conserve until it is time to make your move... you run as hard as you have too to keep yourself in position to make your move, I agree that it should have been 100 laps non stop JMO

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Soooo...

For one thing, if they would have stuck to the original schedule (Oct. 5th), there would have been no conflict with Belle-Clair or Lawrenceburg, and I for one, would be in Terre Haute right now... and the Hut 100 could have possibly picked up a few cars (that ran Belle-Clair)...

What I want to know is... Did anyone actually run out of fuel? How many cars were in danger of running dry? Isn't fuel mileage part of racing? :rolleyes:

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If I were one of the teams running the POWRI show on Saturday, I doubt I would have come to Terre Haute if the race were Sunday. I would stay home, freshen my stuff and wait for the Gold Crown Race in My backyard at Tri-City. I think I would have a better shot at winning at a slightly smaller track and it pays better to start. Terre Haute offers risk of blowing my motor or hurting my driver in a nasty flip.

As for the overall state of Midget racing, it has been in decline in Indiana for a while. Mr. Moore, as an independent, small team car owner, could tell you all the reasons but most won't listen.

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Stagger, who thinks people talking to them selves in a third party are gay.

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Originally Posted by hoosierhillbilly:
If I were one of the teams running the POWRI show on Saturday, I doubt I would have come to Terre Haute if the race were Sunday. I would stay home, freshen my stuff and wait for the Gold Crown Race in My backyard at Tri-City. I think I would have a better shot at winning at a slightly smaller track and it pays better to start. Terre Haute offers risk of blowing my motor or hurting my driver in a nasty flip.

On my last comment, I believe there were two, maybe three cars that could have showed up at Terre Haute... those being Jonathon Hendricks, Zach Daum, and possibly Brett Anderson... the first two cars, more so than the third, sure don't seem to lack in the motor/equipment department...

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I'm over 8000 miles from Terre Haute,down under as they say,a big fan of midget racing.
Eagerly looked for the results,and all the news on one of the greatest midget races in the World.
A race steeped in tradition and excitement,the Indy 500 of Midget racing.
The one I want to see...!!!
What ever the reasons for the lack of interest in this years event,car count,conflicting dates or just plan apathy,someone or some-bodies need to get it sorted out.
Bring this race back up to the commitment and respect it deserves.
It has to be 100 laps and it has to be at Terre Haute.

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Originally Posted by Motormasher:
I read on another post that one guy left at 11 pm and it wasn't over? What wasn't over? And how was the Modified races? Both of them. Thanks

No, it wasn't over. They got behind schedule. Track prep took longer than they expected is what I expected. Another reason I left at 11 is because I had been there since 8:30am helping get things ready. They had to get a grader our between the modifieds and midgets going because ruts developed and I don't think having ruts right as you enter turn 1 right in the middle of the track is a good thing to have. So taht delayed things.

As for the racing, when the midgets were not spinning out, it was good. The modifieds left me wanting to go to more modified races, it was fun to watch. I would like to have watched it from a infield about 10 feet up, I only knew what was going on in turn 1 and 2.

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
$3000.00 to win! $300.00 to start

anyone know how much the powri midget show payed to win? scheduled on the same night. the hut hundred, i thought, was a big prestigous midget race,but 4,000 to win. come on usac you have got to do better than that to keep the best racers in the country racing with you week in and week out . maybe its fuel costs, maybe its engine costs, maybe its scheduling, maybe its the 4,000 winners share for wearing out your 50-60,000 dollar engine for 75 laps before the red. im glad i made the right decision and went to lawrenceburg and watched 57 of the best sprint cars race for 10,000 ,a heck of a night of racing, and not a modified 1. im not surprised at all with the car count at terre haute, theres many factors that played into it, scheduling, engine costs, fuel costs, but a 4,000 winners share might be the biggest factor . im just glad theres a big money race next week for the midgets

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The purse for the Hut 100 was as follows

1. $4,000
2. $2,000
3. $1,200
4. $850
5. $700
6. $625
7. $575
8. $550
9. $525
10. $500
11. $485
12. $460
13. $460
14. $450
15. $450
16. $425
17. $425
18. $400
19. $400
20. $375
21. $370
22. $365

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Originally Posted by Chris Nunn:
The purse for the Hut 100 was as follows

1. $4,000
2. $2,000
3. $1,200
4. $850
5. $700
6. $625
7. $575
8. $550
9. $525
10. $500
11. $485
12. $460
13. $460
14. $450
15. $450
16. $425
17. $425
18. $400
19. $400
20. $375
21. $370
22. $365

thanx, it would be interesting to see the payout of the mscs race at the burg to compare the 2.

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Originally Posted by shocksurgeon14:
anyone know how much the powri midget show payed to win? scheduled on the same night. the hut hundred, i thought, was a big prestigous midget race,but 4,000 to win. come on usac you have got to do better than that to keep the best racers in the country racing with you week in and week out . maybe its fuel costs, maybe its engine costs, maybe its scheduling, maybe its the 4,000 winners share for wearing out your 50-60,000 dollar engine for 75 laps before the red. im glad i made the right decision and went to lawrenceburg and watched 57 of the best sprint cars race for 10,000 ,a heck of a night of racing, and not a modified 1. im not surprised at all with the car count at terre haute, theres many factors that played into it, scheduling, engine costs, fuel costs, but a 4,000 winners share might be the biggest factor . im just glad theres a big money race next week for the midgets

THE ENTRY BLANK WAS $3000 TO WIN AND $300 TO START FOR 33 CARS:checkered: