Keith Kuntz Motorsports
 

Read that Ryan Robinson and Holly Shelton are out at KKM and so far Holley Hollan is in.

Bruce Eckel

It's first come first served as long as your check clears. I find it funny that so many people are interested in KKM's roster when it really is just a list of who has the money to afford to be on it. If his driver roster was about talent, it would include the likes of Tyler Courtney, Dave Darland, T-Mez. Those names won't be on his list anytime soon though.

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Yea. Same way at the ball park. Those seats behind home plate are first come first served as long as your check clears. It's funny how many people are interested in seeing who's sitting there when it's really just a list of who has the money to afford it. If it was about who was the biggest fan, I'd be sitting there.

Such BS that it gets run like a business to make it sustainable and profitable enough to pay the bills and put food on the table. Keith and Pete really shouldn't use racing as a way to make a living. They need the rest of us to tell them how to run their business and shame them for being successful at it. That's how this racing gig is supposed to work. Throwing stones from the back of the pack at the ones in the front moving forward.

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Wonder which of the KKM cars are not paid rides
I know Bell didn't bring money. Like someone else said, Mr Kunz explained well on a podcast the logic for some families who hire KKM rather buy their own trailers, cars, motors etc. Thankful for all that KKM has done and is doing for midget racing

Technically all of them. Someone is paying something. Sponsorship or Keith or someone's parents. Nothing is a free ride.

The Rip the Fence podcast just had an episode with Kieth Kunz. Go listen to it, he explains some of this well. I perhaps am in the minority but I like what they do and the quality of product they put on the track. I think it’s raised the quality of midget racing as a whole

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I am so tired of people whining about Keith. Put your money where your mouth is. Go help sponsor a team. Pay for a ride for someone with lots of talent but no money. KKR has consistently helped provide an entertaining, high-quality product. Either that or be happy with 10-car fields.

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Some of these drivers have contract as developmental, Some bring a major sponsor. Some may be a rich family. And some have the talent to deserve a look by the owner.

From startup though You might be saving $$ doing it that way vs. Cars, motors, tires, shop, crew chiefs, travel. insurance etc, etc..

There's always going to be those with more than you, And certainly those with less.

Unless your willing to put up the 50-75 dollar gate for all these shows to support purses that would make it viable to get into and not totally lose your tail. Whining about it is just kinda petty.

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As a midget fan, I love KKM. He supports both USAC and POWRi. He brings multiple cars to the track and brings opportunities for one-off rides. Without KKM does Kyle Larson of CBell run any of the USAC midget week shows or nearly as many midget shows as they do? For the crown jewel events, he sets the standard. How many cars did he have at the most recent Turkey night? I think it was 10 cars??


The final thing that drives me crazy about the KKM haters is that they always ignore the results. KKM drivers won both the USAC and POWRi national titles last year. His drivers have won USAC and POWRi national titles in the past years. In the past five years at least, if you want to win a national Midget race you had to beat a KKM driver. After each race night, his team will tweet the results of his entire team. The majority of the time he has 3 or more drivers in the top 5. The results will give the entire team including the drivers that didn't make it out of the B-main.

I would suggest all of the haters follow him on Twitter. It definitely gives you a better feel for the team. I espically like the midget week pictures where all of the drivers are doing maintenance on thier cars at 3 in the morning.

Please quit hating people because their situations are different than yours. Just because I cannot afford to put my kid in a KKM ride does not mean I have to hate the person that can.

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I don't know if you guys have noticed, but Midget racing is in a bit of a revival. Car counts are actually up for midgets and races are up and interest is up.
Honest question, was there this much complaining about the Lewis 9 cars in the mid and late 90's?

Yes!

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It's by far not all KKM anymore. Clauson Marshal, Petry, Tucker Boat. Many other teams have more than one car that runs when they run. Some who have three or four and rent three of them so they can continue. I remember this sport when it was absolutely dominated by one or two teams and or one or two drivers..

Now, If Bell and Larson show they're up there, but most times there's 15 cars and drivers that any night could put in in the circle.a if not more.

It almost makes sense to have to cars and carry one set of spares if your having trouble keeping one team out there. Team up. Use one hauler for two, three cars, Keep one set of spares for two cars, Two for three. Buy tires, oil etc in bulk. for less.

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I had meant to ask that question on this thread. Lewis was twice as dominant as KKM has been. Big difference in the way they were run though. Lewis had plenty of money so he only hired top of the line drivers. At the end of the day the checkbook didnt have to balance the way KKM's does.

Everyone needs to listen to the podcast. That said, if you want to race with the highest level of midget racing, which is the United States Auto Club, somebody is going to have to pay for it. The days of a bunch of car owners hiring drivers are gone. If you are lucky enough to have a family that has money to pay for it, good for you. Honestly it’s going to take some money to even be competitive enough to even be noticed. Funny some of the most successful KKM racers never brought a penny. Listen to the podcast. And by the way, they had Steve Lewis on a couple episodes ago, you can check that out too

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Exactly.... but I still root against them! :23:

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Come on.... its $$$ AND talent. Chris Bell & Larson? PLENTY of talent. Even Holly Shelton holds her own against tough competition, was hoping to see her win a race...

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Pretty much have to agree, with a few minor exceptions: I don't "love" KKM, but I respect them, & I'm really glad he brings so many hot cars to the tracks, & gives young drivers a chance. I just wish he'd paint the cars different colors & give then each their own number!!!! ;)
I'm not a fan of rich people in general, but i certainly don't "hate" them either, good & bad in all economic classes :11;

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By the way, its "Kunz", not "Kuntz".... hope that wasn't intentional:11:

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It was nothing more than a typo. Saw the news and wanted to post it. Fingers got carried away.


Bruce Eckel

Maybe someday he will have 10 sprint cars at a race.

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It'd be really cool if KKM could put DD in a car for the Chili Bowl. I wouldn't expect a full season with Dave knowing how the bread is buttered, but making room for him at the big one.. that'd be pretty cool.

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I can tell you all this The Best Race of the Year in 2018 for this guy was The BC39 and I'm not a big fan of midgets per say! Love Sprint cars Non-Wing or Wing but the BC39 was the best race I saw this year. They busted there butts to make it happen. Just think how awesome it would have been had they got to run the alphabet soup like they planned! It was just pure magic even without that! Heaven forbid we tell a guy like Keith how to run his team! Haters are always gonna hate. If they can field 10 cars then more power to them. Every great racer had to start some place and if they are lucky enough to start out with a great team like KKM well that's gotta fell pretty good! :):6::32:

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I just listened to the PodCast, and it was a great episode. I think a lot of the people who are hating on KKM would change their tune if they knew of the history. He tells the story that in the early years of KKM that it was a struggle to make the business work. Anyone who has missed house payments because of his race team is someone that is dedicated to the sport. I would defiantly recommend everyone to listen to the Podcast. It was very entertaining.

If people would really look into what you get as a driver if you race for KKM. For one you get the best Equiptment, crew, owners, technology, media attention & not to mention being associated with some of the top companies in Motorsports. We have raced all over the country and had some of the best drivers wheel our cars and there’s no way we could supply the quality of equipment and have ALL the resources that KKM has any cheaper than the kids pay to drive for KKM. I figure it would be twice as much to field the quality of equipment each race and to be able to follow two different series across the U.S. Whether it’s Clauson, KKM, Petry or any other major team they offer something that most parents couldn’t afford otherwise.

One thing about everyone that has posted on here is that they follow Midget racing and for that I want to say thank you and hope to see you at the race track

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No, no way. KK will only bring midgets.

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I"ve noticed that every driver that steps in to the cars of KKM,Clauson, Petry every one of them are what I call Gassers The pedal is matted no matter the track ,conditions ,whatever they are standing on the gas, I think that also plays into weather they get the ride or not besides havimg money :D

Keith Kuntz Motorsports
 

I'm Sure the DOG himself will attest...he mita Run all 3 USAC Top Touring Series @ one time or another on Same Nite!!...but I mite be Mistaken.. sayn Bcides Midgets...hes only Run Multiple WINGED SPRINT Cars on same nite Card..a couple times!!..what saya Keith!!..

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Some guys (not me...lol) have won races not just standing on only the gas tho...

I wasnt trying to bash KKM or take away from the quality team Mr. Kunz has built. I was simply trying to understand why it seems that there is always some post about who is in and who is out of a KKM ride. I fully understand that money is what drives everything nowadays and ride buying is nothing new. I just don't see the fascination of some people waiting to see which new rich kid has a ride. I already know it won't be someone with huge talent and little or no money. The announcements certainly won't have me on the edge of my seat.

If I could find a way that’s who I would race for!! And deep down so would most midget drivers. Roger Penske of midgets.

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Good man... I can't type worth a *&^% either. I use one or 2 fingers & then have to edit for mistakes. Merry Christmas! :23:

Keith Kuntz Motorsports!!..
 

Oh Boy, that's a Fact w/o a Doubt!!..theres no Question bout dedication You Sir & whole KKM Teams have demonstrated/contributed 2 all of Trad. OpenWheel!!..We All Thank You 4 that!!..Happy Holidays much luck n Success wit all in TULSA!!..
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