Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
Daron told me at Terre Haute he offered the Hoffman's a brand new Maxim to run but they didn't want it. He said he wasn't comfortable in the Chalk chassis and didn't know what to do with it. The car lurched almost into the wall at THAT on the front stretch in TT's and did the same at Kville. I wouldn't want that ride right now either. I really don't think Larson will do any better and he tore up his sprint ride at Osky last year. I would've chosen Dickie Gaines for Oskaloosa considering he won it before in his own car. I don't know why everyone forgot about that great driver. Is it because he's over 30 yrs. old? I sure hope Clayton can get back in a Maxim or DRC soon. He more than deserves a good ride or sponsor to get his own car back out.

Yup im pretty sure its the car lol!
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In fairness to Darron, some drivers work much better with certain types of cars or setups. Certianly it was shown tonite tha the Hoffmans car is capable of winning. And really I don't think anyone was disputing that.

A coil front/sway bar car handles much differently than a 4 bar car. I think that Darrons results in the Hoffmans ride would have been much better if they had used the 4 bar car like he offered. Im fairly certain that for most or all of his career he's ran a 4 bar car. Darron would have probably ran much better in equipent that he was comfortable with.

The coil/swaybar cars run almost half as much stagger than a 4 bar. The swaybar cars have a tendency to drive hard off of the left rear and push up towards the outside walls coming off of the turns. After having the car come off the corner the same way for nearly a decade as it was in Darrons case, it had to be frustrating to adapt to the car doing something completely different.

Some drivers can hop in any car and win, and that's great. But some drivers can dominate in equipment they're comfortable in.
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Kyle looked great,especially winning from the back of the heat.Kinda bittersweet for HAR that he has other comitments. I'll bet on Bobby East. LOL

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I've waited darn near a week to post this and please correct me if anything I say is wrong.

Last season HAR/Coons did not crack the top three in points. Amid some car problems, both F5 and Maxim. Everytime i seen the maxim it seemed to run two good laps and darn near jump out from under Jerry. IDK what was the problem but the problems persisted this season with a hybird chasis Chalk/F5/Hoffman Black Frame. The Blue is still the F5.

Don't know the circumstances of the release of Coons. None of my or your buisness really

. Personal thought is Jerry has the tools, Capable of winning while maintaining a big picture. He's proved it in three classes, NOT MANY OTHERS HAVE! Jerry is great. His Resume needs no questioning.

Daron gets the ride. Car problems continue. Daron mentions something about the motor being higher than hes used to. Week prior to Sprintweek they make *Radical changes to the car*. Honestly the cars ran great since when it wasn't on the frame rack.

I don't know if Daron put to much pressure on himself. Everyone knows he's capable of winning. I don't know if the pressure caused him to overlook the *BIG PICTURE*?

I think if you've been in the business 80 years, You go through a couple slumps. Times change, Setups that dominated no longer do so. Sometimes blame and cages get rattled before the solution is found.

I say this, with all the respect in the world to all involved, Past, Present and Future!

Jerry, Keep on Keepin on Champ!
Daron. Hope you land the sponsorship or ride to come back and prove them wrong.

HAR, 9 national titles. May your search for the Winning/Big Picture guy be successful for #10

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I've waited darn near a week to post this and please correct me if anything I say is wrong.

Last season HAR/Coons did not crack the top three in points. Amid some car problems, both F5 and Maxim. Everytime i seen the maxim it seemed to run two good laps and darn near jump out from under Jerry. IDK what was the problem but the problems persisted this season with a hybird chasis Chalk/F5/Hoffman Black Frame. The Blue is still the F5.

Don't know the circumstances of the release of Coons. None of my or your buisness really

. Personal thought is Jerry has the tools, Capable of winning while maintaining a big picture. He's proved it in three classes, NOT MANY OTHERS HAVE! Jerry is great. His Resume needs no questioning.

Daron gets the ride. Car problems continue. Daron mentions something about the motor being higher than hes used to. Week prior to Sprintweek they make *Radical changes to the car*. Honestly the cars ran great since when it wasn't on the frame rack.

I don't know if Daron put to much pressure on himself. Everyone knows he's capable of winning. I don't know if the pressure caused him to overlook the *BIG PICTURE*?

I think if you've been in the business 80 years, You go through a couple slumps. Times change, Setups that dominated no longer do so. Sometimes blame and cages get rattled before the solution is found.

I say this, with all the respect in the world to all involved, Past, Present and Future!

Jerry, Keep on Keepin on Champ!
Daron. Hope you land the sponsorship or ride to come back and prove them wrong.

HAR, 9 national titles. May your search for the Winning/Big Picture guy be successful for #10

I agree with Charles on many points. The "hybrid" coil over car the Hoffman's have is different than anything out there for sure, but KL proved tonight that it still has the ability to win...with the right driver and the right conditions. After a few years around a coil over car with the Kyle Cummins team, they can be finnicky at times but very fast if ya hit the setup right. Like last night at Osky and the near pavement conditions the car was a rocket. Couple that with a driver who is accustomed to running a pavement car...you got a winner folks. Now put KL in that car at Bloomington, TSS, or Putnamville with a tacky track with a 4" lippy cushion and you might have a different story. I am not taking anything away from KL and what he did last night, but I think the stars aligned for them last night and they got an impressive win.

Now Daron Clayton is a different commodity. Put him a DRC or Maxim 4 bar car with a guy like Walker at TSS, Bloomington, or Putnamville on a tacky track and watch out, he will wheel the crap out of it and have the fans screaming for more.

There a very few teams out there who still run coil overs. After doing a little searching most of the teams who ran coil overs at one time have switched to 4 bar cars. Like the Edison Bros. who always had coil over cars with Shane Cottle, but now run bars with Scotty Weir. Brady Short also had success with a coil over car but has switched to a bar car the last couple years.

Now I don't make any claims to being an expert at anything but just my general observations after being around the pits for the last 30+ years. Better get out and watch Larson soon, he won't be around long. Like Gordon, Yeley, Stenhouse, Stewart, Whitt and others he will be moving along soon I'm afraid.

Re: Driver needed..Dodge City & Grain Valley
 

So who will be in the HAR 69 this weekend?

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One thing I noticed is that people are forgetting that Daron did win 3 or 4 races for Hoffmans . Seems all they want to remember are the crashes

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My take on the Clayton/Hoffman marriage is that the Revenue vs.Expense ratio became a big problem.

Yes they won some, but it comes down to how much money Clayton brought home,over how much repair expense and grief he caused the team.

It's all about the bottom line.

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Originally Posted by RaceFan01:
So who will be in the HAR 69 this weekend?

Heard at Oskaloosa last night it will be Bobby East this weekend in the HAR car

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Originally Posted by jim goerge:
One thing I noticed is that people are forgetting that Daron did win 3 or 4 races for Hoffmans . Seems all they want to remember are the crashes

Can't afford to buy a new car every couple of weeks. Even if a guy runs 50 races that year, wins 20, but destroys 15 cars, he won't be in the car.