Originally Posted by revjimk:
What was the longest? :47:

I am not sure but I would bet LarryO was involved 😆

I know one thing, if I were USAC I would not use the same lab as WRG.

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Originally Posted by revjimk:
What was the longest? :47:

Not sure but there were several that got out of hand that Bill would delete the out of hand post and they'd still run dozens of pages worth Maybe 6-800 post. Then he went to a if it got out of hand, He'd delete those post and close the thread.

Followed by a new thread, Why was my Tire doping thread closed and my post removed?

Bill: Because I wanted too....... Closed that too

Originally Posted by PIT CART:
I am not sure but I would bet LarryO was involved 😆

Oh man, there's a blast from the past!😏

We literally prep the basketball shoes in AAU. No rules against it. Also it's an open shoe competition. Just like racing should be.

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Well, seen one sprint/champ team say they went to meeting and are more than satisfied with the evidence given.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Well, seen one sprint/champ team say they went to meeting and are more than satisfied with the evidence given.

Daigh Motorsports, 71p sprinter and 27p SC say they are more than satisfied with USAC on their Facebook page after attending the meeting and hearing USAC’s information.

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Originally Posted by SoIllSprinter:
Daigh Motorsports, 71p sprinter and 27p SC say they are more than satisfied with USAC on their Facebook page after attending the meeting and hearing USAC’s information.

Posted on Daigh Motorsports Facebook page: “Carla and I went to the USAC meeting tonight. We are both more than satisfied that USAC did and is doing the most complete job of getting to the bottom of the tire debacle. They were completely forthcoming with the results and reason they had multiple tests done. They showed the actual test results and did an excellent job of explaining them. They have spent thousands of dollars to make sure they are accurate. They are waiting on the results of a 4th test that is so precise it will list every single compound and chemical in the tires. This test alone is almost $10,000. The chemical that was in question isn’t even used for soaking at all, and can not be purchased by anyone outside the tire industry. It also didn’t show up in tests by 2 out of the 3 labs. If a tire altering chemical is found in the last test they will institute penalties at that time.
As far as the rumors of teams or title sponsors making threats, this is completely false and bears no substance. If NOS was going to threaten someone it would be the WOO extreme series as they as a whole are more vested in the WOO series.
I am stating now that Daigh/Phillips Motorsports is satisfied with USAC and it’s course of action current and going forward. We will compete with the USAC Silver Crown series, and the Sprint car series when we are able.
We will possibly run with the other series if we can, travel permitting.”
Information from the horses mouth, as it were. Flail away as you will.

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Originally Posted by SoIllSprinter:
Posted on Daigh Motorsports Facebook page: “Carla and I went to the USAC meeting tonight. We are both more than satisfied that USAC did and is doing the most complete job of getting to the bottom of the tire debacle. They were completely forthcoming with the results and reason they had multiple tests done. They showed the actual test results and did an excellent job of explaining them. They have spent thousands of dollars to make sure they are accurate. They are waiting on the results of a 4th test that is so precise it will list every single compound and chemical in the tires. This test alone is almost $10,000. The chemical that was in question isn’t even used for soaking at all, and can not be purchased by anyone outside the tire industry. It also didn’t show up in tests by 2 out of the 3 labs. If a tire altering chemical is found in the last test they will institute penalties at that time.
As far as the rumors of teams or title sponsors making threats, this is completely false and bears no substance. If NOS was going to threaten someone it would be the WOO extreme series as they as a whole are more vested in the WOO series.
I am stating now that Daigh/Phillips Motorsports is satisfied with USAC and it’s course of action current and going forward. We will compete with the USAC Silver Crown series, and the Sprint car series when we are able.
We will possibly run with the other series if we can, travel permitting.”
Information from the horses mouth, as it were. Flail away as you will.

God I hate facts, they screw up good drama.

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Originally Posted by kb78:
God I hate facts, they screw up good drama.

Still Drama. If WRG used same lab

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Still Drama. If WRG used same lab

Only if you want it to be drama


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Doped or didn’t dope at this point what’s the difference. Everyone believes what they believe. At this point as a small owner trying to grow our team I don’t care. What concerns me are the soaring prices and shortages. It’s going to be the demise of the sport we all love. Facts are nothing is being done to contain it. I see Hoosier, USAC and other big series post about shortages and yet no solutions. Make a change. Limit tires that can be used nightly. I mean to make a USAC show you need at least 4 new rears a night to have a chance. Local tracks could easily go to a one tire rule. It’s not the 80% of us that don’t have corporate funding burning through tires. It’s the major series’ that are using 4 to 6 tires in a single night, yet nothing changes. I’m not ******** because I can’t buy 4 tires a night. I’m concerned that the sport I’ve been involved in for 40 years is going to be on the ropes very soon if something doesn’t change, quickly. Tire companies say they can’t keep up. Then shut down a month to catch up. Either make some rule changes or open it up completely.

Originally Posted by Kendall2020:
Doped or didn’t dope at this point what’s the difference. Everyone believes what they believe. At this point as a small owner trying to grow our team I don’t care. What concerns me are the soaring prices and shortages. It’s going to be the demise of the sport we all love. Facts are nothing is being done to contain it. I see Hoosier, USAC and other big series post about shortages and yet no solutions. Make a change. Limit tires that can be used nightly. I mean to make a USAC show you need at least 4 new rears a night to have a chance. Local tracks could easily go to a one tire rule. It’s not the 80% of us that don’t have corporate funding burning through tires. It’s the major series’ that are using 4 to 6 tires in a single night, yet nothing changes. I’m not ******** because I can’t buy 4 tires a night. I’m concerned that the sport I’ve been involved in for 40 years is going to be on the ropes very soon if something doesn’t change, quickly. Tire companies say they can’t keep up. Then shut down a month to catch up. Either make some rule changes or open it up completely.

When I sold out 20 years ago I thought this scenario was just around the corner, 5 years max…. It’s taken longer than I thought

Originally Posted by PIT CART:
I am not sure but I would bet LarryO was involved 😆

Shhhh! He may read this when he takes a break from roller skating.

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Originally Posted by kb78:
God I hate facts, they screw up good drama.

Originally Posted by Kendall2020:
Doped or didn’t dope at this point what’s the difference. Everyone believes what they believe. At this point as a small owner trying to grow our team I don’t care. What concerns me are the soaring prices and shortages. It’s going to be the demise of the sport we all love. Facts are nothing is being done to contain it. I see Hoosier, USAC and other big series post about shortages and yet no solutions. Make a change. Limit tires that can be used nightly. I mean to make a USAC show you need at least 4 new rears a night to have a chance. Local tracks could easily go to a one tire rule. It’s not the 80% of us that don’t have corporate funding burning through tires. It’s the major series’ that are using 4 to 6 tires in a single night, yet nothing changes. I’m not ******** because I can’t buy 4 tires a night. I’m concerned that the sport I’ve been involved in for 40 years is going to be on the ropes very soon if something doesn’t change, quickly. Tire companies say they can’t keep up. Then shut down a month to catch up. Either make some rule changes or open it up completely.

Made many USAC mains in the last few years running the same tire all night. The outliers are Lawrenceburg and Terre Haute where if you have a guy on the hammer you will blister a tire in the heat race.

Originally Posted by otgracing17:
Made many USAC mains in the last few years running the same tire all night. The outliers are Lawrenceburg and Terre Haute where if you have a guy on the hammer you will blister a tire in the heat race.

I would disagree with that. Our driver is always on the hammer at the burg and the only tire we ever blistered was in a feature the last race we ran there last year.

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I believe during Darlands last win at LB several drivers started blowing tires at 18 to20 laps into the feature

Originally Posted by kinser:
I would disagree with that. Our driver is always on the hammer at the burg and the only tire we ever blistered was in a feature the last race we ran there last year.

We had the problem there twice last year with the same driver. Did not have the problem before that with another driver. Also, had to run different gears everywhere with him compared to what I was used too. Both races were national shows. I’ve also noticed if I put something that has a heat race on it or whatever then it sits for a week I have less of a chance of blistering the tire at both places.

Originally Posted by otgracing17:
We had the problem there twice last year with the same driver. Did not have the problem before that with another driver. Also, had to run different gears everywhere with him compared to what I was used too. Both races were national shows. I’ve also noticed if I put something that has a heat race on it or whatever then it sits for a week I have less of a chance of blistering the tire at both places.

I can tell you why ours blistered, it was because the tire wasn’t cured out. At the end of lastyear Hoosier was so far behind the tires never had a chance to cure. I agree that after you run them once it helps. We run the 15’s at the local shows at the burg and that was the only one we blistered all year. I do groove our 15’s and mediums a little different to try to let some heat out so they don’t blister.

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Originally Posted by mc/rider:
I believe during Darlands last win at LB several drivers started blowing tires at 18 to20 laps into the feature

That was a tire defect Period. The six guys who never spun their tires all night made the end and ended up that way. From the teams I know run the burg, They put a new RR on for the feature and then use that tire if not too bad for next weeks heat race. Or another heat sometime

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Originally Posted by kn16:
Its real simply buy the right rear and left rear tires at the track,
End of story
Stops everything

It can take an hour to cut, sipe, and groove a tire so it won't blister at tracks like Lawrenceburg and Terre Haute.

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Originally Posted by mc/rider:
I believe during Darlands last win at LB several drivers started blowing tires at 18 to20 laps into the feature

This wasn't the infamous Robert Ballou Rock collection race, was it?

I am curious if the USAC meeting Monday was well attended? Were the people that threatened to quit the series there?

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Aric Gentry Racing is one of the teams who posted they would race elsewhere last weekend due to the controversy.

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
This wasn't the infamous Robert Ballou Rock collection race, was it?

Possibly, not sure

Exactly. Mounting tires at the track isn’t fun.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
That was a tire defect Period. The six guys who never spun their tires all night made the end and ended up that way. From the teams I know run the burg, They put a new RR on for the feature and then use that tire if not too bad for next weeks heat race. Or another heat sometime

This is not a tire defect. A tire wears out quicker if it is spinning on top of the racetrack because of the excess heat that is being created from it spinning. A tire that is "in" the racetrack will not wear out as fast and will operate at a lower temperature

xtreme is going to busy next year. wins rounds 1 and 2, it looks like it's gonna be a early knock out.

It’s comical, tuning into that meeting reminds me of tuning into CNN and expecting a real news story

So I’ve seen 2 teams saying that USAC validated there stance. I haven’t seen anyone say that it was invalidated. Am I missing something or are the hater’s just gonna hate?I’m only interested in the truth even if it’s something I don’t want to hear

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
So I’ve seen 2 teams saying that USAC validated there stance. I haven’t seen anyone say that it was invalidated. Am I missing something or are the hater’s just gonna hate?I’m only interested in the truth even if it’s something I don’t want to hear

Yup, What I've seen too.

Im just wondering how Xtreme won rounds one and two. When only two of the top twenty drivers from last year have committed and one of them is under suspension.

How they are going to be the premier in 2023 and have two tracks that are among the elite and a regional area. Lots of land area to cover and quite honestly there aren't that many that can do it full time. I've also seen some that say they are going to try to support both as their schedule allows. Like Bacon running both Woo and Xtreme this weekend

I've always been a I hope both succeed and grown the sport. If in the end XTREME has 60-70 races a dozen full time racers and goes coast to coast. More power to em. But right now, Why the push to destroy the most racing and most higher purses in recent history?

Originally Posted by sp6967:
xtreme is going to busy next year. wins rounds 1 and 2, it looks like it's gonna be a early knock out.

Based upon?

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Originally Posted by sp6967:
xtreme is going to busy next year. wins rounds 1 and 2, it looks like it's gonna be a early knock out.

Care to wager on that?

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Care to wager on that?

I can't predict the future and I think they could have handled this situation a little better, but if I had a dollar for everytime someone announced the demise of USAC I could afford to attend many more races.

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It's an easy way to find out how confident people are in what they say.

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
It's an easy way to find out how confident people are in what they say.

Just an observation, having grooved a lot of tires in my business, were the samples taken with a heated iron, or a cold cutter, probably could change the samples, maybe, just a thought, my irons always smoked the rubber, and the pcs removed would be very hot. Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by TQ29m:
Just an observation, having grooved a lot of tires in my business, were the samples taken with a heated iron, or a cold cutter, probably could change the samples, maybe, just a thought, my irons always smoked the rubber, and the pcs removed would be very hot. Just sayin.

I believe that. A person made a pretty bold prediction, and I was just trying to see if he believed his statement. I guess not.

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Another price increase for ya and more shortage announcements.
Won't be long till slate granite tires (Even doped ones) will be a cheaper more viable option :)

https://www.hoosiertire.com/assets/2...IGeWAtNI-6ovW0

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I believe that. A person made a pretty bold prediction, and I was just trying to see if he believed his statement. I guess not.

Brent, in all honesty, I don't see how you can get a quality sample from a used tire, and that brings me back to the durometer, or, an open tire rule.

Perhaps this is an inexact science with lots more variables than we assume and yet some then some make unverified conclusions,but does make for interesting internet banter.