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Originally Posted by cshuman:
Carrytheleftfront, your comment will not get a response from me, especially when you wont sign your name to a post. I think we know why you didnt do that... I am not on here to start arguments and bad mouth someone, but Im going to express my opinions like all of you are, dont like em, dont read em..

First of all, I am a 30 year old man, who has raced all over the country, with damn near every association there is, I think by now I am entitled to have my own opinion without having my dad, or the whole SCRA thing dug up AGAIN! This has NOTHING to do with my dad, or that whole deal. The people out west chose a new direction (which they regret now) and as you said, thats water under the bridge, so dont turn this into something its not. Second, I agreed that the money was nice, congrats USAC :8: Third, you are right, it is a choice, either play the game and be a follower, or dont, I choose not to, will I go run some USAC shows? sure.. will I be a member? Nope... Show me where I will benefit from being a member? To win this big championship you are going to HAVE to run all their races, in all their divisions, so thats gonna narrow it down to what? 5 guys tops? So what is being a member going to do for me? Fourth, I have gone to USAC on several occasions over the past decade, it doesnt work, unless of course they want it to. It took almost TWO YEARS to get them to change the rule about not needing head nets if you have a containment seat.. It was as simple as saying in the next drivers meeting, guys if you have a containment seats you dont need nets. You may have sent some emails, you got a answer, congrats.. Did you ask them to change a ridiculous bodywork rule, or why we pay two pit passes for a one day show, or a rule about open reds? Or was it about letting people run Ti rotors? Maybe it was about the hot topic at the drivers meetings out west on drivers doing 360s? Are you confused?? Thats because these are the type of issues the competitors bring up and get "yea we will look into that," or "thats not our deal, thats the promoter." This isnt trying to slander USAC, or start a fight or argument with anyone, yourself included, but unless you have been a competitor in the last decade, you dont really know what its like or what is invovled in racing with USAC. The only thing the fans really get to see is the stuff on these message boards. Are my comments less then flattering? Guess that depends on how you take it, but if there is one thing I did learn from my dad is you cant get in trouble for speaking the truth, and dont be afraid to speak up about what you believe, so in that sence, Im damn proud to be a "good soldier" for Ron Shuman...

Nice post Casey. I think you pretty much confirmed what I was saying. It's a personal choice. If the USAC license doesn't work for you, the don't go for it. The $116,000.00 in bonus money is a thank you to drivers that support USAC race in and race out. It's a nice promotional tool when you know the same USAC stars will be there for any given USAC event.

I'd be willing to bet that if you had rides lined up for all three divisions in USAC on dirt and pavemnt for all the shows, you'd be there in two seconds for that license and a shot at that big money. Am I right? Would you turn down a chance for a cool 40 G's?

Let's go racin'.

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I don't understand all of the hoopla if this rule is only going to affect 5 or 6 drivers. I can't see where the fans are going to suffer.

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Marv, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I appreciate what you are saying and I would agree with you, however, any driver could claim the National Driver's Championship, not just those who compete in all series. As I understand the program, only a driver's top 25 events are counted toward the championship. This means, as I understand it, that a driver could compete only 25 times, win all 25, and win the championship. I may very well be wrong in my interpretation, though.
However, I believe that this practice does indeed carry some potential positive results. First of all, this seems to be a simple example of supply and demand. Right now, with many top drivers competing locally, the fans have a high supply (they get to see the top drivers virtually whenever they want) and little demand. What I think USAC is trying to do is change these two facets. If the fan has to attend a USAC race to see...whoever, then USAC can begin to negotiate with the tracks to better their members, i.e. better payouts. I think the late model guys and even WoO have this tenet figured out. Why would a track owner/promoter pay USAC $10,000 to win whenever they know they can get the same drivers for $1,500 to win? If I was a promoter, that would seem like a no-brainer to me. So, the purses could get higher if USAC is able to leverage their position as bringing the best drivers in town.
Secondly, I think this will/could affect the lower budget local racers. I consider myself a low budget sprint car racer. I must pick and choose where I want to race depending on the number of cars I think will show up to the track that particular night. I don't have the equipment to compete with the top tier teams. But, if I know that some of these top-notch drivers will not be at a certain track this night, I would be more apt to go race there. I would have a better chance to compete, and the fans would have a better chance to see the lower buck guys do well.
Now, DonMoore10, to answer your question--How does this positively impact the fans?--I will say that it doesn't, at least not right now. But before you form your opinion of me, or before you postulate your retort, please understand where I believe USAC is coming from. I will use myself in a hypothetical situation, and I hope in doing so I offend no one. Let's say I join a union. I pay my dues each week expecting that the Union leaders are looking out for the best intentions of all their workers, me included. If my employer begins to hassle me regarding an issue, I expect my Union leader to step-up and settle the dispute for me. As such, I believe USAC is doing what, in essence, they should be doing, namely looking out for their members...the drivers and owners. If creating this rule in some way, and in a somewhat timely manner, allows USAC to ask for more money for purses, then I think they have done their jobs. And, consequently, it might allow more people to make their livings as professional race car drivers, which ultimately benefits the fans whenever a USAC race is held.
Please bear in mind that I am not trying to stir the pot, or create any more controversy than already exists in this thread. This is my opinion as I understand the rules.
Jake Simmons.

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This was a a long-standing AAA and USAC rule- I have no problem with it. USAC is working to rebuild it's brand to prominence

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Don Moore wrote "I'm just amazed at the supposed "race fans" that get on here and have nothing to say but childish nonsense"

translation - Those who wont support my views are idiots

Hey Don Moore, this race fan says "**** You"

Kevin Huber
Speedway Indiana

Originally Posted by FishBurger:
Either I am not understanding the USAC release on this subject OR some here are reading only their own posts.

As I get this rule it only impacts those competing for the new National Driving Championship (40K to win, 10K for 5th) and does not affect points earned by drivers or owners running for championships in the traditional national series (Sprints, Midgets, Silver Crown). That is (again, as I understand it), for example, a driver could run open comp at The 'Burg every Saturday night without regard to when, where, or what USAC is running and NOT lose any points earned toward the National Sprint Car (or other traditional) Championship. Only points earned toward the new National Driving Championship (which totals the points won in all divisions and requires the driver to be licensed in all divisions) wouild be at risk.

Have I got it wrong??? :11:

No, you have it perfectly right.
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I don't know how many times people have gotten on this board and complained about how the WOO has thier stuff together and USAC does not. Then USAC decideds to use a rule that the Outlaws have had for years. Now people claim that USAC has lost its mind.

The rule has some pretty liberal loop holes that the WOO rule does not. I have absolutely no issue with the rule, and commend USAC for trying to protect it's brand.

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Come on u guys are argueing over a fricken 15 car series. How many drivers actually run for the points. Quit using WoO as an example they are the same, they have 10-15 cars that travel with them. The rest are partimers and locals. if USAC ever went back to what they once were... this would be an issue. :29:

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:8:just glad to be racin.........:22:

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Originally Posted by Hubie:
Don Moore wrote "I'm just amazed at the supposed "race fans" that get on here and have nothing to say but childish nonsense"

translation - Those who wont support my views are idiots

Hey Don Moore, this race fan says "**** You"

Kevin Huber
Speedway Indiana

Well darn, I assume Easter Dinner is out of the question.