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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So winning pays less than hauling the car there, Paying three or four pit passes and fuel in the car.

Other than motor and spec tires. Everything else is the same and same cost as a full up 410 and a couple grand in wings if you crash.

Sounds Legit.

But that's the case with almost all support/development series. No where here in the east are they running as a top division. PASS has been running since 1998 and there are two other 305 groups in the PA, New Jersey are. There must be somewhere around 80 to 90 registered RaceSaver Sprints between the three groups. They must be doing something right.

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Now there are a few better paying 305 races in the area. Port Royal is running their Blue Collar Classic next Saturday for the Keystone RaceSaver interregional 305s. They will be paying $1,000 to win and $400 to start. They pulled 53 cars for this race last year.

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This is basically the purse (PAS) for the last 10 to 12 spots for the 410's, usually, over 1/2 the field, if you are not in the top 5 or so, you lose money each time you race, regardless of class.

This class is for FUN, you pay for your FUN, apparently, some people just don't (refuse to) get it.

Bill May

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French grimes has it made.

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Originally Posted by Bill May:
This is basically the purse for the last 10 to 12 spots for the 410's, usually, over 1/2 the field, if you are not in the top 5 or so, you lose money each time you race, regardless of class.

This class is for FUN, you pay for your FUN, apparently, some people just don't (refuse to) get it.

Bill May

Bill

So what you are saying is >>if a guy could win or at least finish up front every feature at Bloomington in a 410 sprint for the season he would have a positive cash flow like racing for a living? And the 305's are for fun, like Mini Sprints. >>> I see said the blind man.

Looking that purse over it looks pretty good to me. The thing that has always been hard for me to figure out is a front axle assembly for a sprint is much cheaper than one for a Midget. Guess they do it with volume.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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There lies the question, Why is everyone BUYING front ends, Nerfs etc and other things you could save on without sacrificing safety. Even if you don't have a machine shop or welder, Most have a uncle or friend who do, Hey, Lets go spend another 4-500 on a front Axel. You Could build the thing for 125, Better yet, Make five of em and have spares.

They all complain how expensive it is, Then throw the car in the trailer without bleeding the cylinders etc YEAH BUDDY That motor will last 30 races, NOT!

Buy their fuel and parts at the track and spend a third more for it.

Then wonder why they went broke so fast........

I don't have a dog, But I've been around a couple long time operations, Yeah, they still lose money, Just not as fast.

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Charles

After you have succeeded in making your "Small Fortune" out of racing you go "Broke";):D

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I didn't intend to badmouth anyone and I know you lose without either a great sponsor or lots of it. A plan of attack could save a ton on what some teams are spending. I know its not cheap by any means. :6:

I was seriously contemplating on building an engine to run at Btown, but w/a payout like that nowadays due to mileage you would have to live in Bloomington to be able to break even, if you win. I seriously doubt that anyone more than 50 miles would do this week in and week out.( my. 02¢ worth, and now I'm done)

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Dg

Our problem would be Friday night, not good night for an out of town working stiff.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Since 10-21-14 and 18k hits on this thread has anyone noticed that no official announcement has come from the Bloomington Speedway management as to what the purse structure plan will be for this class and any other details, Maybe, we should wait to see what the facts are before prejudging, I strongly suspect that if the promoters want this to succeed, they will offer something that will encourage racers to participate.

I would like to see a sat. nite track come into play with this class, would help with the development & growth, I have owned several 305's and had FUN racing them, I just might build another one, I had $6,500 in the first one, $8k in the second, bought & sold several in the $5,500 to $6,500 range, You don't have to spend a fortune to have fun in these sprints, with over 1,000 of them around the country, there is a market.

Bill May

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Payout for eagle raceway 305 RACESAVER (This is the track that the test car friday night runs weekly)

1st $700 2nd $500 3rd $400 4th $350 5th $325 6th $300 7th $295 8th $290 9th $285 10th $280 11th $275 12th $270 13th $265 14th $260 15th $255 16th thru 20th $250.

Seems to be a fair distribution of the purse and the proper payout. You want to get car counts up you need to have a decent purse and ensure that rules on this program are enforced. This payout will attract racers from other division such as mods which pay around 700 to 800 to win (regular event) and are running 700 to 800 hp engines. Intellectually it does not make much since to race a mod with higher operating cost with similar purse breakdown. Hence, purchase a racesaver engine or build your own. Get a sprintcar roller put together and go racing.

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Kinser99, You have the right idea, shop around for used parts, find people selling off spares, getting out for various reasons, need money. visit the end of season racer flea markets, used rollers & parts are abundant, if you buy used motors or motor parts, just make sure they are legal, of course, if you can afford, buy new parts & cars, but, with the Racesaver rules, it all evens out on the track, I'm just saying you don't need to mortgage the house to field one of these sprints.

I would not be supprised to see a purse very similar to the Eagle track here at Bloomington, from all indications, they are very serious about making this class a success.To you racers interested in fielding a car, stay positive, wait on official info from track personnel, This just might be a good thing in spite of all the naysayers.

Bill May

Really you think its going to pay more to start a 305 feature than it does to start a 410 feature. Highly unlikely but hay stranger things have happened. Guess we just wait and see

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92, Did you miss the word, "similar" ? I "really" do not expect (nor intend to infer) they would insult the 410's by paying higher start money, probably flatter payout top to bottom though, My earlier post said "wait & see" in case we are having a contest, I'm ahead on that score. We can tally up when it's all said & done.

Bill May

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Originally Posted by Bill May:
Since 10-21-14 and 18k hits on this thread has anyone noticed that no official announcement has come from the Bloomington Speedway management as to what the purse structure plan will be for this class and any other details, Maybe, we should wait to see what the facts are before prejudging, I strongly suspect that if the promoters want this to succeed, they will offer something that will encourage racers to participate.

I would like to see a sat. nite track come into play with this class, would help with the development & growth, I have owned several 305's and had FUN racing them, I just might build another one, I had $6,500 in the first one, $8k in the second, bought & sold several in the $5,500 to $6,500 range, You don't have to spend a fortune to have fun in these sprints, with over 1,000 of them around the country, there is a market.

Bill May

i dont think its about making this class any more of a success than any other class.. if they do anything its about making bloomington speedway more profitable , and understandable, as it is a business. however i believe they are barking at the wrong gate.. need to start more fan appreciation and attendance to hit the home run as what few cars and fans another small class will bring in wont do the job.. just my opinion

don short:deadhorse:

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Just want to say my piece, and get it over with, and I'm sure they have looked at the bottom line, but my thought would be to run more often, the "other" open wheel cars that are already in the area, 1000cc, whatever DAD wants to call it today, there are 3 TQ groups, all with enough cars to make a good car count, and with Montpelier working hard to re-establish a midget class, that looks more favorable to me, I don't really think anyone in the stands hates the "little" cars, maybe they do, but they might also hate the 305's, glad I'm not making that decision! Bob

From the track owner today on the radio said they have already put down new clay, adding electronic scoring with telesponders,next week putting up new lights. I guess they must be expectioning a load of these fire breathing 305's I still can't find anyone that will be sealing motors or how much they charge to seal one.

I'm glad they're getting new lights. I love the track, but it's one of the poorest lit tracks I've raced on.

Colin Miller

I've raced much worse! It's one of the nicest facilities in the mid west.

Bill I'll buy the car if you have the motor!

The racesaver class at eagle is their top class, not a support class, so that is why their purse is what it is. Personally, if there was a need for another class I would have liked it to be the non-wing lightning sprints. I just hope the new clay isn't full of silt to accommodate winged racing. They already ruined THAT with it. I'd hate to see them ruin Bloomington too.
P.S. Wings Suck.

Originally Posted by ThrowbackRacingTeam:
The racesaver class at eagle is their top class, not a support class, so that is why their purse is what it is. Personally, if there was a need for another class I would have liked it to be the non-wing lightning sprints. I just hope the new clay isn't full of silt to accommodate winged racing. They already ruined THAT with it. I'd hate to see them ruin Bloomington too.
P.S. Wings Suck.

Seriously?
How do you properly mix Indiana red clay with silt, and supposedly Bloomington Speedway would do this to accomadate a new "evil wing" support class and in doing so run the risk of ruining racing in all other classes?
Really?

In total honesty, when I first heard this new class was going to be added, I was not in favor. But I took the time to try and understand their reasoning, and you know what, it makes sense after all.

Time will tell if they are right or wrong. But you have to understand one thing, the track is trying to survive in a very tough economy.

And by the way, "I" have seen the clay myself, and it is SILT FREE good ol' Indiana Red Clay!

So at least that issue is put to rest.

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Andy, I'm working on one, may have two ? I will stay in touch.

Bill May

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instead of adding another class why not promote and try to get butts in the stands.

Good to hear no silt. I didn't mean to offend you dude but one of my favorite tracks, Angell Park, just ruined their surface last year when they decided to go winged sprints. I ate more **** sitting there last year than the previous 30. Seen it happen several other places you wouldn't expect.

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Originally Posted by Panama:
Seriously?
How do you properly mix Indiana red clay with silt.

Two cups of sugar with one egg lighty mixed. At least that is how I always mixed it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
Two cups of sugar with one egg lighty mixed. At least that is how I always mixed it. ;)

Oops, they may have left out the sugar? But I know they got the egg in it.

Photo by Doug Vandeventer;
http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/...psdbadca08.jpg

These car will not tear up the track,guys the isn't going to be very many of them.

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Ive heard different views on this new class, some good , some negative....well most have been negative. In my opinion, running the cars with wings is the only way to go. If they run with wings there will be a clear way for fans to separate them from the other class of sprint cars. I think if they were to be ran non wing, while it would please the hard core fan base, it would mainly confuse the average fan, and they would basically just become known as the slower class of sprint cars. With a wing on, the 305s will be turning similar times to the non wing 410s, so the speed factor will still be there, plus there will be a obvious visual difference to separate the classes. I think it will be a good change up of routine, whick I think is greatly needed for both fans and drivers. It will regain the interest of veteran fans, and potentially bring in a whole new crop of fans. If the class will succeed or fail is yet to be seen, but one thing is for sure, if everyone has a negative attitude about it, it will be sure to fail. Some people prefer wing, some prefer non-wing, so why not cater to both of the fans flavors?

Originally Posted by Bradleyracing86:
I've raced much worse! It's one of the nicest facilities in the mid west.

Putnamville was just as nice, and Lawrenceburg is amazing! I love the race track at Bloomington, just think new lights is a really really good idea there. Great to hear the owners are putting some money into it to update it.

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Originally Posted by on_the_edge:
It is low 10.9 or high 10.8 was set at sprint week this year. Hunter% is the record holder now.

The non wing record set this year was not actually the track non-wing record, it was the USAC record at Bloomington. Im not 100% sure, but I think the actual non-wing record is 10.6, while the wing record is 9.3. I think the 305s could run mid 10s, the 305 that ran the other night ran a couple laps in the 10.9 range, and the car owner said their gearing was WAY off, which is probably why Ive seen people post that the car sounded strained.

I have read in this thread that you can run a 410 sprint car for the same as mini sprint. Is this true? My second question is would be a car good enough to win or just race? My dad raced stock cars and midgets for years, so we have often spoke about the cost of racing. He would always say "well boy, do you wanna race or do you wanna win?" So can a person have a winning quality 410 sprint car for the same price as a mini sprint? That doesn't seem logical to me

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Cleat

Nope>

Right now the "Mini >Lightning>Sprint is the biggest bang for your buck hands down.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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I ran a nonwing sprint for a few years and components are about the same as minisprints. Used 410 -12 about 7000 to 12000. The refresh is where it digs into your wallet. Depending on what needs rebuilt a refresh can cost as much as you payed for the engine. Sprintcars cost more in most cases but I have seen guys drop 10 grand in 600cc micro motors.

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K

The Micro guys don't count, Most of them are fresh out of Go-Karts and will spend any amount of money if they thought they could get an edge, Most Mini Sprinters are more conservative, for $12000.00 I would put you in a very fast stock motored 1000cc car turn key with spares.

Replacement motors go from $1500.00 to $4000.00.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Originally Posted by cleatziff:
I have read in this thread that you can run a 410 sprint car for the same as mini sprint. Is this true? My second question is would be a car good enough to win or just race? My dad raced stock cars and midgets for years, so we have often spoke about the cost of racing. He would always say "well boy, do you wanna race or do you wanna win?" So can a person have a winning quality 410 sprint car for the same price as a mini sprint? That doesn't seem logical to me

No way. A stock 1000cc bike motor is 3k at the most. I go through probably 5-7 gallons of methanol a night. A GOOD 410 is 20k and they go through 20-25 gallons of methanol a night. That's not even close.

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cm

Us 200 hp them 800hp. Four of us equals one of them. Four times $3000.00 equals $12000.00. Four times 7 Gallons equals 28 gallons. Them 410 ci motors get pretty good fuel millage don't they.:D

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Dad,
At Bloomington, a 410 will use about 15 gal. Not 28. 305 will use close to the same with a wing.

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Originally Posted by cleatziff:
I have read in this thread that you can run a 410 sprint car for the same as mini sprint. Is this true? My second question is would be a car good enough to win or just race? My dad raced stock cars and midgets for years, so we have often spoke about the cost of racing. He would always say "well boy, do you wanna race or do you wanna win?" So can a person have a winning quality 410 sprint car for the same price as a mini sprint? That doesn't seem logical to me

Whats true is it cost the same to haul, pay to get in and with a wing, probably more in racing fuel that everyone else pays. What you have in your car is under your control.