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Charles Nungester 7/21/24 7:36 PM

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 
Im not aware Bacon has left the USAC sprint tour at anytime since 2014

Cheating's detrimental? It only started the second time two cars raced each other and If it's not enforced, IS IT CHEATING in the first place?

flagboy55 7/21/24 9:17 PM

My biggest grievance is that my USAC didn’t give any public explanation for the actions or inaction that has taken place. However, if they had, some folks wouldn’t believe it anyway. But the fact that they didn’t try to explain it is not a good look, and lends itself to nefarious motives. That said I’ll see some of you At Kokomo Saturday

yeleyfan76 7/21/24 10:02 PM

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Was he not running Usac for Kasey Kahne in a team car with Kevin Swindell with mopar all over the side of it. I believe he was #99. Did that not happen?? That would be the first time he left. I personally don’t care whether he stays or not. He sells shirts he wins races and championships and he is great with kids. If he is cheating then all of that goes away. For me this isn’t about Bacon and Moles. Yes they were caught, but the real issue is the Banana republic that is the sanction body.
I could be wrong and forgive me if I am, but I think the VL pick of Bacon and the trophy girl now wife is in his first attempt at Usac in the Kahne car.

Charles Nungester 7/22/24 7:38 AM

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Him, Ballou and others went and ran Lanny''s midwest series a few times. I think Bacon went and drove for the team 99 then bought all their equipment when they got out. He didn't rejoin full time until he had another ride with Hoffmans.

I agree with the no explanation by USAC. Yet about 30 other teams joined em at LPS so it must not be that big a problem.

Charles Nungester 7/24/24 4:45 PM

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I see Bacon's Sprint Week shirt is.

SHUT UP AND RACE......

Wonder who that's aimed at?

flagboy55 7/24/24 6:40 PM

That’s a good take when you’re one of the ones that may have been circumventing the rules. Come on Chuck, I expect better from you

Charles Nungester 7/24/24 7:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 575643)
That’s a good take when you’re one of the ones that may have been circumventing the rules. Come on Chuck, I expect better from you


Just because he's not been caught, doesn't mean heas never cheated. Im pretty sure Moles and Bacon weren't the only ones using weights. but i can't prove what track the pictures I have are from.

Chief Wahoo 7/24/24 8:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester (Post 575646)
Just because he's not been caught, doesn't mean heas never cheated. Im pretty sure Moles and Bacon weren't the only ones using weights. but i can't prove what track the pictures I have are from.

Seriously, he was caught. USAC choose not to enforce it. :7:

yeleyfan76 7/24/24 8:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flagboy55 (Post 575643)
That’s a good take when you’re one of the ones that may have been circumventing the rules. Come on Chuck, I expect better from you

Come on 55. Understand what you are dealing with here. Actually BB loves this stuff. Ballou keeps giving him shirt ideas for his followers to buy. The next one should say “ Let’s Run Whatcha Brung” there is no tech!
You expect too much sometimes.

yeleyfan76 7/24/24 8:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Wahoo (Post 575647)
Seriously, he was caught. USAC choose not to enforce it. :7:

Please don’t confuse the facts with the narrative. That causes issues for some people.

racefan20 7/24/24 10:24 PM

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Anyone ever consider that this is all about selling tshirts? Just before the biggest tshirt selling week of the year

Frank Reiner 7/24/24 11:23 PM

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Also in the "Anyone ever consider..." department:

A very obvious infraction, essentially of a long-ago safety nature, is being used as a decoy, a distraction, to divert attention from a more significant performance violation.

racefan20 7/25/24 12:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Reiner (Post 575653)
Also in the "Anyone ever consider..." department:

A very obvious infraction, essentially of a long-ago safety nature, is being used as a decoy, a distraction, to divert attention from a more significant performance violation.

That is an old Smokey Yunick trick.

Chief Wahoo 7/25/24 10:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by racefan20 (Post 575651)
Anyone ever consider that this is all about selling tshirts? Just before the biggest tshirt selling week of the year

Nope, don’t think so. Just trying to make lemonade outta lemons, so why not take advantage.

Flea Ruzic’s opinion plus video of meeting.

https://x.com/ripjetson9/status/1816292229893263544

Charles Nungester 7/25/24 12:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Wahoo (Post 575663)
Nope, don’t think so. Just trying to make lemonade outta lemons, so why not take advantage.

Flea Ruzic’s opinion plus video of meeting.

https://x.com/ripjetson9/status/1816292229893263544

I agree with Robert.
But it's fun to stir the pot.

cl124 7/25/24 12:35 PM

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The sad truth to the matter is there is no other and likely will not be another national non-wing series. Due to that USAC clearly feels they can just act as this never happened and nothing will change for them which sucks/flat out isn't right and isn't fair to any fans/drivers alike. Seeing this being handled this way sure makes me wonder how many times things of this sort have gone on in the past that noone's caught. I'd venture to say it's more than any of us could imagine.

streetglider 7/25/24 3:14 PM

You hit the nail on the head 124 ! What irks me is that people on IOW are always talking about how to grow and promote this sport we love , only to have the sanctioning body allow this to go on. Spridge is a tool, nobody will dispute that , but we all know that it went to the competition committee the following Monday and the higher ups at USAC turned a blind eye to the issue as well. Now I ask you this…. Would you as a parent or a racer want to race with or support this kind of club???? Just food for thought …..

mc/rider 7/25/24 5:07 PM

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The next USAC sprint car show is tomorrow July 26th in Putnamville Ind. Ill be there

cl124 7/25/24 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetglider (Post 575668)
You hit the nail on the head 124 ! What irks me is that people on IOW are always talking about how to grow and promote this sport we love , only to have the sanctioning body allow this to go on. Spridge is a tool, nobody will dispute that , but we all know that it went to the competition committee the following Monday and the higher ups at USAC turned a blind eye to the issue as well. Now I ask you this…. Would you as a parent or a racer want to race with or support this kind of club???? Just food for thought …..

And there in lies the biggest issue. With only one national series it’s either support or don’t partake at all. As a major non wing sprint car fan unfortunately I’ll continue to go because I enjoy it so much as the same with so many others. That’s why usac can get away with it. Same with the drivers. You want to race for the biggest paying shows in nonwing sprints? Race usac or don’t at all. Don’t doubt that it’s had an affect on some guys going wing or never racing with usac.

bighd0522 7/25/24 6:42 PM

It seems as if your associated with the energy drink company you have a free pass! Maybe Mr Ballou needs to take red bull or some other brand in front of the camera!

Twister17 7/25/24 8:06 PM

So teams and or drivers were allowed to go to the office Monday and file complaints/ protests? I’m curious how many did?

nodramazone20 7/26/24 9:59 AM

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The arrogance from many who are employed in Speedway is amazing. Looking at social media posts, one such person wondered out loud, what next, Boycott???......Your right, Boycott....For those going to the shows, enjoy the BS

Charles Nungester 7/26/24 10:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nodramazone20 (Post 575681)
The arrogance from many who are employed in Speedway is amazing. Looking at social media posts, one such person wondered out loud, what next, Boycott???......Your right, Boycott....For those going to the shows, enjoy the BS


Ok, Put your track out of business because a sanction F'd up. Good one!

Where's Sprint week next year? Paragon and Brownstown? not much left.

Rpracing1 7/26/24 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester (Post 575682)
Sprint week next year? Paragon and Brownstown?

Both not bad choices.

Rpracing1 7/26/24 11:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twister17 (Post 575674)
So teams and or drivers were allowed to go to the office Monday and file complaints/ protests?

Yes, I believe with a $500 Protest Filing Fee.

Charles Nungester 7/26/24 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rpracing1 (Post 575683)
Both not bad choices.

But the only tracks left after People boycott sprint week, Smack down, Harvest Classic and Fall nationals........

Hubie48 7/26/24 12:05 PM

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yet here you are Charles, it's Bacon so it's OK

just imagine if it were Robert? Wonder how many posts you would have in defense of him?

This entire thing is rank amateur. RooL BoKs !!!!

yeleyfan76 7/26/24 1:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester (Post 575682)
Ok, Put your track out of business because a sanction F'd up. Good one!

Where's Sprint week next year? Paragon and Brownstown? not much left.

Ok Charles I kind of get your point but….. It was explained to me on a thread back in the past that I don’t understand that I travel to these races to see Usac. I wasn’t going for the cars and teams on the track but indeed I was going to see the sanction. The person to explain to me what I’m not smart enough to discern was the very very quiet Mr. Funk. After this revelation, I must assume that since I attend for the sanction, bankrupting tracks is just collateral damage.

It’s really a shame that as ISW and Smackdown approach we are mired in this situation. Of course I do like the fact that capitalism is alive and well with t shirt wars. Lots of money to be made by RB, and BB with the Make Racing Honest Again and the cry baby blue shirts that will sell.

Enjoy the week and whatever events you attend.

cmakin 7/26/24 1:45 PM

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We dealt with the track boycotts down here in the Houston area. Worked great. Of all of the tracks that once were, Battleground Speedway is gone. Gator Motorsports Park is gone. Houston Raceway Park is gone. Big H Speedway is paved and largely irrelevant. Golden Triangle Raceway Park is gone. And this is a metro area of over 6 million people. . . . one quarter mile dirt track left 50 miles north of Houston and one fifth mile track 40 miles south of Houston. That is all that is left. I guess the boycotters got their wish . . . .

yeleyfan76 7/26/24 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmakin (Post 575688)
We dealt with the track boycotts down here in the Houston area. Worked great. Of all of the tracks that once were, Battleground Speedway is gone. Gator Motorsports Park is gone. Houston Raceway Park is gone. Big H Speedway is paved and largely irrelevant. Golden Triangle Raceway Park is gone. And this is a metro area of over 6 million people. . . . one quarter mile dirt track left 50 miles north of Houston and one fifth mile track 40 miles south of Houston. That is all that is left. I guess the boycotters got their wish . . . .

Did they boycott one sanction for a week and moved on after proving a point or was this a much larger issue?

cmakin 7/26/24 3:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yeleyfan76 (Post 575689)
Did they boycott one sanction for a week and moved on after proving a point or was this a much larger issue?

They boycotted the actual tracks, especially Houston Raceway Park, easily one of the nicest dirt track racing facilities in the country. They didn't like the guy who owned/promoted the track. There were, of course, other issues with the track closures such as low fan counts, too many classes, etc. Honestly, I was just floored by the boycotts. I had never seen racers going on and on about where the weren't going to race. . .

Charles Nungester 7/26/24 4:26 PM

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Think a couple like Hubie have missed the post that I agree the penalty should have been innacted on the spot.>

Think some missed that I said I agree with Robert.

I made the point that cars should be scaled and once over before being brought to victory lane (Every sanction does this now except USAC)

I make the point now that most of these tracks sole profit is from Sprint week and other USAC shows. The weekly shows either lose or break even

So Boycott all ya want, you'll have less tracks. Only one thing to do here, It's pretty clear to both racers and fans alike. (I however don't question the guys love for the sport)

yeleyfan76 7/26/24 5:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester (Post 575691)
Think a couple like Hubie have missed the post that I agree the penalty should have been innacted on the spot.>

Think some missed that I said I agree with Robert.

I made the point that cars should be scaled and once over before being brought to victory lane (Every sanction does this now except USAC)

I make the point now that most of these tracks sole profit is from Sprint week and other USAC shows. The weekly shows either lose or break even

So Boycott all ya want, you'll have less tracks. Only one thing to do here, It's pretty clear to both racers and fans alike. (I however don't question the guys love for the sport)

You have made the comments as you stated. The issue now is that the sanction is corrupt, outdated, and not doing anything to progress nw racing. If ISW were boycotted then the tracks might get smart and tell Usac to take a hike. I’ve heard both sides about how it was great before Usac got involved and how having Usac made it better. I guess with the current state of affairs maybe change is needed. Usac thinks they are untouchable. If the Indiana tracks say we’ve had enough since the fans are pissed, what happens?? Usac really doesn’t have a national following like other series do. Where are they gonna go? Again Usac has no competition. What if they had no tracks in Indiana to race at either??? There has to be one or two promoters within the state that could take ISW over and make it just the same. At what point do people just say it’s just bad enough and it’s time for change. Usac brought this on themselves. Again Bacon and Moles are just pawns in this game. They cheated and should be made examples of but it hasn’t gotten bad enough. I know when either one of them win I’ll be skeptical. Will others? Who knows. Sadly things can never be the same after Spridge decided to over rule the rule book. It can’t be taken back. Progress will only be made when he is gone and Miller is as well. Remember he pulls the puppet strings of (A glorified race fan that wouldn’t know which way to turn the wrench)
Hopefully this wknd goes without issue but I don’t think it’s possible now. Good luck to the teams that play by the rules. You are up against the Usac clique and that tough to beat.

Charles Nungester 7/26/24 5:46 PM

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I'll be at Burg and Circle City (First timer there) But it is the only other track on the schedule within 1.5hrs A self limiting rule due to parents condition and needs.

BLASTER1 7/26/24 5:56 PM

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Is Ballou at the race tonight or did he join the Outlaws?

Charles Nungester 7/26/24 6:21 PM

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57 cars.

Coach 7/26/24 7:37 PM

I’ve been told (I’m not there) by someone who is there that they have huge crowd. I guess it may take a while for the boycott to take effect

DJlives 7/26/24 7:45 PM

Please. ISW pre and post USAC is apples and oranges. It made all the difference in the world

yeleyfan76 7/26/24 7:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 575696)
I’ve been told (I’m not there) by someone who is there that they have huge crowd. I guess it may take a while for the boycott to take effect

There won’t be a boycott. The fan base will go along to get along. It’s ok. Spridge and the boys will laugh in everyone’s face every nite knowing they are a fraud and keep collecting money. Nowhere else to race these cars or watch them. They win.

DJlives 7/26/24 8:39 PM

Largest field in 20 years


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