And some of us actually prefer winged racing and don't appreciate being insulted. I have seen both and done both. I prefer winged. Doesn't mean I dislike wingless. But my brain does function, or maybe I just managed to get an engineering degree without a functioning brain...

Same for me, I’ve owned & drove both, I prefer wings but enjoy it all… it’s funny to me that a predominately wing fan can go and watch & enjoy a non wing show but still prefer wings….. but a lot of the non wing people do it and even try to bolster their opinion by trying to insult the others….
As far as the new group goes, I wish them well but they’ve got a tough road ahead.
The way I see it between USAC & BOSS they are giving tracks 2 options of hosting non wing racing at 2 different price points in an area that has quality non wing cars to draw from. Maybe there is room for another group I don’t know. Is there another area of the country that has strong 410 non wing racing for them to draw from?
Have they posted any rules or specifications? Will they require the cage supports like they do with the wing stuff, what is the purse? they should answer questions as these because the Florida shows are just around the corner

You don’t get the excitement, I don’t get the pessimism.

Suddenly USAC is great, and new money will ruin the sport. Everything is fine and why can’t they just leave well enough alone. All this when the constant theme for many years on this board has been “why can’t it be like 1977 again?”

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And what all you professional no-it-all's are forgetting. How USAC operated with the SCRA a few years ago.

I personally think you pretenders, telling everyone , what kind of racing, is the only kind you can enjoy is laughable.

Support all racing!

When I read some of the comments on this thread, I can't help but think of a quote from Walt Kelly: "We have met the enemy and he is us".

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I have no idea "How USAC operated with the SCRA a few years ago." & I'm not ashamed to admit it
So I guess I'm not a "professional no-it-all"....
Or even an amateur KNOW IT ALL :5:

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I think it’s a combo of both. If WRG can get races around the country for these guys and pay them more money that is a good thing right???? I know I have an axe to grind and it’s simply that after starting to support Usac in ‘99 I don’t see how the sanction has moved on with the times. I have come to grips with they are basically a regional group with a few trips a season here and there. If you live out there life is great for you and you are probably afraid of losing what you’ve got. They are the best group to get for an event because they are they only group. They have not advanced the product in my opinion. Another poster brought up what happened in California. They saw an opportunity to devouer SCRA and then with there sanction rights cut the purse and took money for the National series.
It’s been mentioned that if teams run the WRG races they might get banned from USAC. If that happens I’ll go out on a limb and say WRG runs more than 15 shows.
Let’s be honest here, no one really knows what the future holds. WRG is the first group to really give USAC a challenge for nw racing in forever. Who knows what the group from Speedway will do.
If it’s all about the streaming deal then WRG is way out in front. The price is higher but I’m pretty sure that they have a functioning wireless microphone every time they need it for interviews. It’s a more professional appearing operation.The picture quality is good too. Maybe Flo steps it up, but then again it’s been a few years now and still same bs.
For the poster who got offended about the functioning brain comment, I’ll respond this way. I live in Pa and up until maybe 5-6 years ago you would not believe the things I was insulted as for wearing my non wing shirts to the grove. Mama always said wear your big boy pants and don’t worry what other people think. I’m not an engineer or even a college grad but my brain functions quite well and can honestly say I’d drive past the grove to go see a nw race every Friday if I could. It’s all about preference.

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Plus, I never said that any kind of racing "is the only kind I can enjoy".... other than open wheel, dirt track. I like winged & wingless both, with a preference for wingless
Like I said several times, I hope this all works out for the best on all sides :23:

First off if any of you felt insulted or offended by my comment, you shouldn’t be. I would say that if you’re on IOW you’ve already made a case for brain function. I’ll use this example of what I mean by NASCAR fan with cerebral handicap. I work with a fellow who’s a big Cup fan. When I tell him about Larson’s exploits in sprints midgets and even Late Models, he says “ you mean he’s racing them go karts again beating up on amateurs?” This is the kinda stuff I’m talking about. Brainwashed by media. I’m not wishing failure on the new venture so I’m not an enemy of anyone.

If the statement wasn't intended to label wing fans as brainless, then fair enough, offense retracted. I just see and hearto much "NW is great and wing sucks" talk, and I think it's a bad idea for Sprint car fans to disparage other sprint car fans, when a huge part of racing fandom calls the cars "push em, flip em's" and complain when the local promoter holds a race for them. So let's all stay unified against the ridicule of the tin top crowd.

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What scares me the most is track prep, I know the winged sprints like a lot drier track than sprintcars. So if they race together are we going sit through a rubberd down track. I guess time will tell.

I don’t think every event will be attached to an existing woo race, as was mentioned earlier thats a lot for a promoter to pay. Volusia, I-55, maybe Charlotte down the road makes sense. But I’m sure there will be standalone events like Spoon River, Jacksonville and others that also make sense.

I sure wish myself and my buddies Stevensville, 76, Oppweld, Brent and a couple others were sitting in the parking lot at Kokomo having a couple beers discussing this. I can guarantee we would come up with the answers! By the way 76. I agree with your take about the Dirtvision broadcasts vs Flo. But only when it comes to the National series. The local tracks on Dirtvision are not as polished. Pretty much the same as Flo. But I have no complaints really about either other than the price of DV. And that’s actually debatable

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I am not a wing hater. I prefer to watch non wing. I have watched wings at a lot of places that no longer exist. Saw the Outlaws at West Plains, Kentucky Lake, Santa fe, the old I 70. I was at Dixie when the All Stars cancelled because the track froze. The best wing race I ever saw was the Hoosier Fall Classic, when it was still at Avilla. Haud in the Hampshire 63, edge out Hewitt in the Briscoe 5. Hewitt will tell you to this day that he actually won. I was standing at the flag stand, and I couldn't tell. I also think both the Outlaws and the All Stars are as good as I have ever seen them. I just have never seen an instance in any racing, where starting a new group has made anything better. Did any good come to Indy cars when CART was formed? When the IRL went against CART, it also set the sport back. When USA was formed and took top drivers away from the Outlaws, it took years for the sport to recover. When the NST split with the Outlaws, I don't remember a growth spurt for the sport. Sprint car racing is a niche sport. The more it is separated, and cars and fans divided, the smaller each piece will be.

I guess the best wing racing I saw was at Hales Corner, a long time ago, and the first I saw was at Paragon, even longer ago, but I still prefer non wing, just do.

If memory serves me correctly (and that's a big 'if') it was supposed to be a 2 night show and Sat. was the night they canceled. They did race Fri. and I was there. This part I'm sure of: that was the coldest I've ever been at a race and it was in Georgia! I Know this comment is off topic, sorry.

I prefer cageless but settle for non-wing.

I don’t post much but this thread has me thinking…
1. How many USAC / WoO teams actually have a budget to make a profit or break even at the end of a season? I’m assuming very few, if any. I also assume most teams have another significant source of income / revenue from another business, usually the owner’s other business. My other assumption is most consider it a loss and understand it as such, it’s the cost of passion (or addiction) for racing.

But… at some point the business acumen that made them successful in the other business kicks in and they look for opportunities to reduce the losses. Thus, more rAces or higher paying races, drivers that bring $$$, etc. come to fruition. Or they leave the sport.

I could be thinking WAY TOO HARD about this, but I just don’t know where any of this is headed, good or bad.

The other thing… do a google search of United States Auto Club form 990. Make up your own mind if they can pay more purse $ based on financials.

By the way. I don’t know if any of you folks listen to the Dirt Nerds podcast. I’m lucky enough to have met and talked to one of the hosts. He was saying on a recent episode that most sprint car fans freak out when ticket prices go above 30 bucks. They were talking about the difference between Late Model fans and open wheel fans in regards to getting in their wallet when they reach the ticket window. I have seen many times references to ticket prices on our IOW. He might have a point. So now the new series is going to piggyback on to some WOO sprint and late Model races where the ticket is already $30 or more, what happens then?

The other thing… do a google search of United States Auto Club form 990. Make up your own mind if they can pay more purse $ based on financials.[/QUOTE]

I’ve been saying this same thing for a long time. Some people will get all upset about it, I guess the truth hurts. LOL

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I’ve been saying this same thing for a long time. Some people will get all upset about it, I guess the truth hurts. LOL[/QUOTE]

I’m not upset with you I’m in full agreement.

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55 your point is well understood but maybe not the way you present it. It’s not a secret that the median age in non wing(specifically Indiana) racing is of an older crowd. They want to pay the same money they paid almost 20 years ago. It’s why this discipline can’t raise the purse because of a fear no one will show up. It’s time to wake up and realize everything is more expensive these days. Racing for a competitor or a fan is no different. Usac does not promote their product ever. They rest on their laurels of the long lost past. The pay scale is far behind others(except for mngmnt- see form 990). As I stated earlier the product on the track is fantastic. It’s not promoted well and the target audience (Indiana) want tix prices like 20 years ago. If fewer events were run there the people would fill the house every chance, not just ISW. Every area of the country is different I know, but if you want to keep this type racing alive, it’s going to have to pay more money. It sucks that it’s always about the money but unfortunately that’s how it is. I say to the fan who says I’m not paying 5$ more to get in, maybe you weren’t that big of a fan anyhow.

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I would ask that as time moved on and these challenges to the WoO had expired did the WoO get stronger?? Did they grow?? Did they increase their existence nationally? I realize they have issues(what organization doesn’t) but to say nothing good came of those challenges seems short sighted. Maybe initially there was division but in the end it appears once the WoO conquered they moved forward and these guys race for quite a bit of money.
Who knows, maybe two years from now Usac is the only game in town again. Maybe they realize what they might have lost and step up. Maybe they laugh in your face and continue the way they operate now. Maybe they are over ridden and lose it to WRG. Anything is possible. I’d like to see the guys running today run a bunch longer in non wing for more money than read about their accomplishments in wing racing. Time will tell. Change is a strange thing. It can be really good or really bad. Being stagnant is never good. We also may find out that the only support nw racing has is in Indiana and that’s it. If so, this experiment won’t last long.