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If it is true that ALL of USAC's divisions must use this fuel in 2013, we probably should get busy arranging for Melissa Vanema to repeat her most well-known performance at the USAC headquarters by mid-2013 :13:

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Originally Posted by jdperform:
I have laid off this subject for awhile. To spill the beans here goes. First it is NOT ethanol it is an E90 which is 90% ethanol and 10 % propritary blend ONLY available from Ignite fuels. Not VP, not Renigade or any other national ethanol supplier. Yes you will use 40 % less of it but there purchase price told to me was 6.00$ a gallon you do the math. From an engine builder standpoint they have just obsoleted all the fuel data we have ever accumulated over the 40 years weve been running Methanol . i.e. BSFC numbers no longer apply, niether does egt, or O2 sensor readings. Increases in ex temp have and WILL make engines hard to cool on the race track. And to be truthfull you can make it work BUT it may or maynot be the optimized fuel for the heads, for the injectors, or for the camshafts that are currently being used. I have told my customers to take a wait and see attitude. Sprint cars think about this 10,000.00 to win mscs at tri state. What are we going to do, tote both fuels for the USAC guys drain the bladder, nozzles etc. I Have NO problem with the E90 as Ignite calls it,just DON'T mandate it. My SC customers don't have the budget to properly develop such a change and apparently niether does USAC. Although Toyota might. From a usage standpoint this fuel is a lot closer to gasoline than methanol. This post is just my opinion with the experience that I have. There is no truth just perseption.

It's all about "COMPETITION" !!!!!

Why not make "Corn Liquor" an option? If it is indeed as good as the "hype" placed upon it by the "Powers that be" just make it optional.
Racers race for that competitive advantage over one another. Telling them that this it what they are going to have to do does not set well with most of them.

If "Corn Liquor" is all that good and the hold out's get their Butts spanked good once or twice by these "GREEN MACHINES" I can guarantee $6.00 or even $20.00 a gallon isn't going to keep these guys up from switching over to the stuff. If the Green racers don't do so good, then Ethanol will just fall by the way side as a well intended experiment that didn't work out.

Maybe USAC is just following the lead of our Federal government and telling the "Racers" to do what "USAC" knows is best for them to do, gota just love it when we have a few really really smart people looking out for our best intrest and the intrest of the sport.

Wonder if they could "mandate" that only pure "castor bean oil" be used as an upper cylinder lube, Then at least we would have the smell "of old time racing"

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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The whole mandate thing is just wrong. I am a Master Distributor here in the midwest for Brad Penn PG-1 High Performance Oils and I can't imagine USAC mandating that everybody use my oil (especially since they are flying the Amsoil flag) nor would I want them to. We feel like we have a better product at a better price and we are truly the last American Oil. Accompany that with the fact that you won't have to do anything to your engine to use our product and it would make good sense for them to mandate our oil. But taking away the freedom of choice is wrong. Some car owners and racers have sponsorship deals for fuel and oil and mandating the use of a certain product obviously would hurt the pocket book. We all know how hard it is to fund a race team without any help.

Ethanol can work but mandating it not cool.

Danny Fisher
DND Oil Company

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Danny you are right. Mandating it doesn't help the teams but it sure helps USAC's pocketbook.

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Ethanol might work as a fuel but has already been proven that it is not viable in the long run. Kinda like how Nascar has ad's like they're on the cutting edge, that "cutting edge" was a couple years ago before everyone did the math and it becomes obvious that using crop lands to grow fuel isnt fesible.

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Remember 6 or 7 years ago, when so many were calling for change within USAC, and got it?
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I can testify to the added heat, we fooled with it back in the mid 60's, and found out right quick, it wasn't for a commoner to mess with, we figured because of it's higher heat, BTU output, but still less than gasoline, and the fact that you could burn more of it, it should be faster, but in our short trial with it, it wasn't, and it hurt a lot of motors, before we decided it wasn't as good as alcohol, besides the afterbirth was like rubber, everything it dried on, was sticky, valves, intake runners, bad news. IMHO, if it is mandated, then it has been proven safer, so doesn't that leave someone's pea's open for litigation? Just Sayin! Bob!:3:

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Originally Posted by TQ29m:
I can testify to the added heat, we fooled with it back in the mid 60's, and found out right quick, it wasn't for a commoner to mess with, we figured because of it's higher heat, BTU output, but still less than gasoline, and the fact that you could burn more of it, it should be faster, but in our short trial with it, it wasn't, and it hurt a lot of motors, before we decided it wasn't as good as alcohol, besides the afterbirth was like rubber, everything it dried on, was sticky, valves, intake runners, bad news. IMHO, if it is mandated, then it has been proven safer, so doesn't that leave someone's pea's open for litigation? Just Sayin! Bob!:3:

I wonder why they are blending this fuel with 10% special additatives. Used to be if special stuff was found in your tank you were DQ'd on the spot. I do know that petro fuels blend better with ethanol than it does with menthanol because of the sp. gravity of the two are closer. I also remember when we ran gasoline in our micro's my dad looked all over to find nitro propane because it blended with gasoline and nitro methane would not. I know that when you blend any alchol with another fuel and you add water to it it will usually cause it to seperate and settle out. This could cause some special problems on damp humid days In April and May at the race track.

My dad usually kept a Mason jar of this ethanol stuff in the freezer. It did kind of look like Caro Syrup and I can still remember looking at it and watching it move in the jar kinda of slow. He was awful proud of this stuff and marked the jar telling me to not mess with it. When I was about 15 or so me and a couple of friends decided to try it out. That stuff burned all the way down and all the way back up too. To prevent him from finding out that I was in his stuff (I was real smart back then) I carefully took water and filled it back up right to his mark, At age 15 ain't no old man smarter than you are.

Things went along fine for a few days and I thought I had pulled one over on him, When on a Friday night I heard him hollering for me from the garage where the freezer was. Seems he went to take a nip of that stuff and before he did he shook the jar. That stuff came up looking like milk. We talked things over a bit and we decided on a suitable punishment being polotical correct and all. Sure was glad it was on a weekend because I was a little sour the next day. I'm not sure to this day if he was mad about the stuff we stole from his jar or the fact we ruined his whole jar of his Lightning.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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How about running on natural gas. I'm right in the middle of the marcellus shale drilling. Gas wells everywhere. There so much gas that peoples water wells are blowing up and in some houses you can set fire to your tap water since they started drilling, plus they have huge stacks that burn off the excess gases its great, sounds like 10 747's taking off at once, 24hrs 7 days a week. Its also great for folks who are night owls, most everything is lite up by a pretty orange glow all night. :7:

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Not sure about running it in a race car but it sure is a better option than ethanol for the street. There is a tremendous amount of it in this country, its clean burning and presently its cheap mainly because the government doesn't have their hands in it yet. If I'm not mistaken I think many of the government hand outs for ethanol ended in December 2011 which will also make CNG a more viable option.

Danny Fisher
DND Oil Company