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as I've said before, I hope it works. I am not sure what we are trying to do here. are we trying to give people more opportunity to race, or trying to draw fans. a support class will draw competing teams family and friends, but no one is buying a ticket to see a support class that doesn't have a vested interest. I know most of you have been to Indiana weekly shows, not to mention usac or mscs races. I think the key to growing our sport is just getting more people to show up. our racing is as good as it gets, if you can' hook em on that, a 305 wing car ain't gonna do it. another class will add back gate and a few spectators but don't look for it to boost the bottom line!

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Well. for what it's worth, sprint cars have not always been powered by 410's, I've seen a many of them run with flatheads, and Crockett ran an awfully bad ass 6 cyl Ford flat head, and I sold Yeadon his first Chevy V8, a 265 cu in one at that, and they were fast, many of the old timers remember when there was no substitute for cubes, I know that was eons ago, but we were still fast, and put on good racing, you young pups just don't understand it! It's kinda hard to breath with your head up your butt! Bob

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Wilmot already runs 410 winged cars. They are doing this at the request of mini sprint teams that would like to gain experience in a full sized car.

There is supposed to be @ 305 make some laps Friday.

I have a question on this topic!

Will there be any qualifications regarding the drivers? (ie, what is their racing experience, what series have they ran before)...... I only ask as putting 20 cars on the track with maybe half or more having no open wheel experience , will prolly be good for the parts and tire dealers!

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Originally Posted by cbaumeyer48:
I have a question on this topic!

Will there be any qualifications regarding the drivers? (ie, what is their racing experience, what series have they ran before)...... I only ask as putting 20 cars on the track with maybe half or more having no open wheel experience , will prolly be good for the parts and tire dealers!

I have to say that when PA Sprint Series started here it was pretty clean racing. It still is for the most part. I've been to about 15 PASS races in the past 3 years and have seen just a few flips. Guys race clean and respectful. Most know a bad crash will likely mean the end of their season.

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Originally Posted by Koonzee:
MOWA is allready replacing some former non-wing events.( Gold Crown) This sounds like a nice feeder system for them. Welcome to Indiana. Maybe MOWA will replace non-wing racing at Indiana Midget Week. Hope Iam wrong

I hope you are wrong too!

Seems to me you people r your own worst enemy. U hate winged 410s, u hate winged 360s, u hate winged 305s , and you scoff at someone who dare mention a nonwing 305 with a smaller right rear to even things up and lower motor costs.
I love it when u people bash USAC for not "changing/adapting to the times" and bellyache at low car counts.
Here's what I get from most of you.

This is nonwing 410 country and we hate change , USAC , low car counts , wings , and change. Sooooo come on out and enjoy our racing ... ITS THE BEST!

I'll should probably just go ahead and banish myself from IOW with that comment. Have a gd one !

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I don't get it If you like Wings, Thats fine. WoO holds three or four races in IN and Mowa a few. I think its good for a driver to get experience in both.

I grew up with NW, By the time I was in my late teens, Wings were all the rage, Bloomington, LBurg and I think Kokomo all but USAC winged for about 8 years and I knew about all of them that raced, Gordon, Saldana, All four kinsers, Once or twice a year the All stars would hold a big show and bring in the Haud's, Jacobs, Hodnetts, Hodges and a few others and we had good local talent, Briscoe, Huntley, Shields, Blands It went fine for about five years and then. What one person told me would happen, Happened. Everyone went broke, Some shows were 7-10 cars total.

I got to realizing not long into it that heats were a joke. You might as well run one lap heats because the way they were after one lap was the way they'd stay, Unless there was a yellow and restart and then someone might get the jump.

Features, I seen some incredible ones, The ones that went green, The leader would take off for about the first five to six laps but once the air got mucked up. The racing was on and at times as good as many of the NW races I've seen. Races that had a lot of yellows, Not so good.

Late 90s, Early 2000s Wings are gone. Soon after, So are the All Stars as we knew em. NW counts started to grow, Some of the tracks regularly had 35 NW sprinters, Some of the Mini Guys found they could afford to run NW Full Size.

I honestly think the decline is more to do with the cost of traveling, fuel and cost to get everyone in the pits than the actual cost of the car and motor, If a track goes hard and black, You'll burn off 600 or more worth of tires to run one race that pays 650 for third.. As others said, Open trailer, It cost the street stock the same in travel, pit passes and fuel as it does the Sprinter.

I stayed out of it a long time. If it proves to be a good thing, Getting more in and more moving into Full up sprints. Fine. Im for it. If its a fall back for teams that already have full up 410s. Im against. Winged I will not go to watch them, While NW, With a left front of the ground, Some biking and and a lot of passing, I would.

Same goes with Mini Sprints, Make it setups and racing ability and I'd like em. I liked em when I seen em run NW against the full up midgets the couple times I seen it. The put your foot to the floor and the faster you go, The more stable it is, Then Brag how they're faster than a NW Full up Sprinter, Does nothing for me.
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I wrote all this up, Went and made supper, Debating on weather to post it or not.
I got nothing against those who like wings. It's just not me I even had a ball back in the 80s with Bombers and LM's with no open wheel, Probably why I like street stocks more than Wings to this day.

Well there it is, Im not banning myself. Not badmouthing anyone, Just saying what I think.

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What if a guy wants to run a Ford?

Probably more 5.0 Fords still on the road than any thing else, I just bought one, all wrapped up in really nice Mustang! Bob

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How impressive was the 305 sprint last night ? was it faster than the "sportsman midgets ? How many "wang whiners" gagged when it hit the track? hope they all survived.

Bill May

305 ran. 11,1. 11,2. 11'3 ran to hot laps 6 laps each time. Out not bad for first time out.

It sounded like the engine was straining to push the car around the track.It looked to be tracking straight and true as if it was on pavement If they want to run a smaller engine maybe a smaller wing.Tinsnips anyone?My preference is no wing.P.S.Hats off to Brian,Hunter,Brady and Gary,our NW boys

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What is the 410 non wing record for Bloomington?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Non wing some were round 10. 8 10.9. I thank. Lot of car round 11.1to 11 5. We ran 11.2

I think its something like 11.192 not for sure though

It is low 10.9 or high 10.8 was set at sprint week this year. Hunter% is the record holder now.

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Originally Posted by 98arpy:
Wilmot Speedway in Wisconsin has just started an entry level sprint car division utilizing the GM 604 crate engine.
The engines run around 6 grand and with a 4 bbl carb on alcohol they put out about 450 horse.
Rebuilds are infrequent and teching is much simpler that the 305 program.

accord speedway in NY is going to try this class as well with new egypt speedway in nj watching to see how it works out for accord.
not sure if that is such a good idea. there are already too many classes in the pa/nj/ny area. they just seemed to get the 305 class off the ground and now someone is bringing in another class.
imo...if someone wants to start something, how about taking off the wings in some of these classes already running.
the 305's have already become the "haves and have nots" and there ARE 25k sealed motors out there running with (beating) the 8k home built entries....racesaver also limits Ti on the cars, but the guys load up on it in the places it is allowed....now we have special rears that use midget gears, new injectors, ect, ect just for the 305's which all equal more money spent for the car and less money at the pay window.
between the speedstrs, 305s 358s 360s 410s super sportsmen, midgets, 1000, 600 and 270 as well as the other classes of micros, late models,limited late models, street stocks and all deviations of their class, modifieds, sportsmen, 358 modifieds, crate modifieds (a and b) 600 modifieds, slingshots....jesus, i could almost go on forever....its no wonder the car counts are down everywhere....as well as fans....cause there is a damn class for every fan that wants to race!!!!! they everyone bitches that this track owner or this promoter is a "back gate promoter"....well, they almost gotta be anymore.
305's are a good idea....as long as they are REALLY kept under control. use racesaver rules, stick to them, and maybe even make it a claimer class to stop the big money guys from outspending everyone to make $150.
this will allow the karters and micro guys to move up the racing ladder without going broke....maybe they would stay with the 305's, maybe move to the 410s in a few seasons. but to keep fragmenting existing classes with offshoots is not the answer.
good luck to bloomington speedway....imo....adding the 305s is better than adding anything with fenders.

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Good to hear that it was well received, when the lap times are quicker than the 410 n/w I expect someone to call for larger (damn)wings.

Bill may

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Originally Posted by worm:
We would be intrested in getting one of these But i cant buy a car to race one nite a week (friday) and only at one track. Need some more tracks to take the chance...

Worm

What is your gross profit per year racing Open Wheel Modified? How many nights a week do you race? Do you race for a living?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I know back in '07 Kevin Swindell I think set a track record of 10.880. That was not a USAC race though.

I have a feeling you could take the wing off Saturday morning and win a feature at paragon that night.

I know I've preached this before but in 25 yrs of racing we have raced
1yr hobby stock
Several yrs NASCAR MODIFIED
Several yrs IMCA modified
Several yrs UMP modified
Several yrs IMCA late model
And several yrs CURRENTLY running UMP late models
in all those yrs the ONLY thing to really ever have any control over what we spent on motors besides claimers (wich most guys consider against the code of the west ) was when we had to run brick hard IMCA McCreary spec tire. Go ahead n build a 430 ! Gd luck hooking it up !
I'm telling you the old timers on here preach how great the racing was back in the day and they were running injected 283s n 327s elbows up and balls out! And they didn't have a 2 ft wide RR with 5 compounds!! It didn't exist! Take the wing off that 305 and narrow up that right rear with 2 compounds and wAtch .

I think if you read the racesaver rules they have a required track tire,along with a lot of rules that must be checked,including valve spring set pressure.

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Old Timer, This is IOW, it's not required to read the rules before posting opinions, regardless, in the opinion of some posters (to which they are entitled) if it has wings, it's no good, research is just a waste of time, size of the engine,HP, wing, race track, gear ratio, doesn't matter, makes one wonder how the winged 305's have grown (and continue to grow) to a several hundred across the country in the past few years, apparently, some area people feel compelled to stomp them out before they take over.

Bill May

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Originally Posted by dirt in ur beer:
Seems to me you people r your own worst enemy. U hate winged 410s, u hate winged 360s, u hate winged 305s , and you scoff at someone who dare mention a nonwing 305 with a smaller right rear to even things up and lower motor costs.
I love it when u people bash USAC for not "changing/adapting to the times" and bellyache at low car counts.
Here's what I get from most of you.

This is nonwing 410 country and we hate change , USAC , low car counts , wings , and change. Sooooo come on out and enjoy our racing ... ITS THE BEST!

This coming from someone who judges a race by whether the seats have backs on them. Name me a place where 305's or 360's have increased the 410 count? I like it the way it is. You either drive a sprint car or a stock car.

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If you do the Facebook thing (?) the Bloomington Speedway has a short video posted of the second hot lap session.

Adam Gullion is the driver, he, his family, and his crew were a pleasure to talk to, and they answered every question anyone cared to ask.
It was a real pleasure meeting them, and if these folks are what 305 racing is all about, it is going to be a good fun class to have around.

I only see it as a positive, making sprint car racing affordable for some who might not otherwise be able to get in.

And as somebody else already has said, pull the wing off on Saturday and run Paragon. Sounds like fun to me.

You have never EVER seen me rate a race by if the seats have backs. Have you? In the past 10 days I have been to 6 races at 4 race tracks in 4 states. Terre haute-2, eldora-2 ,quincy,il -1, wheatland ,mo-1. Winged and nonwing ( 2 tracks had backs on the seats ) it would take a while to figure out how many moved up. But if you had 15 winged 305s show up it was 15 more sprint cars u got watch. Can u argue that? I only mention taking the wing off as a way to appease the nonwing traditionalists on here. I add the small RR tire part as something that I know affected how our money was spent.

The car that ran 5th in wheatland against the war group last night was a racesaver 305. He did it coming from the b main. A 2009 Wolfweld with standard pro shocks and a sealed racesaver 305.

Sounds like that's the way to go,pull wing off win a few put wing on run Bloomington, run a few woo and mowa races I,m fired up.

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why not run racesaver 410, they run them at east missoula montana motor speedway.

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A bicycle could keep up in the turns at Wheatland LOL

I have pretty much given up on the racing here locally filling my time between trips to Indiana with online subscriptions, MAVTV, and youtube.

Years ago the tracks around here got this same idea that they needed to introduce new classes. Now we get to go watch 5,6,7 classes of cars, many that can't even come up with enough cars for 2 heats. And we get to watch them tippy toe around the huggy pole and eat up a months worth of tires every night. And for the real kicker while making technology and money the big difference the premier classes here run for the same or less money that the support classes run for in Indiana.

All this talk about winged cars in the middle of the country, try and name 3 weekly winged car tracks within a 200 mile radius. I remember when we had to choose between several tracks on any given night before people had to rob a bank to buy all the power and technology they allow you to hook up and priced everyone out and we lost the weekly tracks and most sprint drivers went to IMCA modifieds. The winged cars are so over tired and over winged they have become like watching slot cars on a one slot track.

Now the mods are running into the same issue and guess what, they keep creating new classes over and over because the class they created a few years ago gets too expensive. we have A Mods, B Mods, E Mods, Sport Mods, Midwest Modz, etc.

What makes Indiana racing work in my opinion (which is probably worth little) is that they have 3 or 4 basic classes, a few niche tracks and a few classes that travel and can come in occasionally and give the fans a treat. If there is a rainout you don't have to go hunt up a web site to see if you fit their rules. You call and if they aren't rained out you head out. If USAC or MSCS is running your track and you are an underfunded team and don't feel you are competitive enough to run with them you simply go run another track and make up for the top cars from that track that come to yours to run the special.

And to top it off you have the Lucas Oil Late models, WoO, PowrI and other traveling shows that stop through just often enough to keep them special.

But the reality of it is a weekend trip to Indiana from Kansas is more bang for the buck than going to local racing here because of what happened here and it scares the hell out of me when I hear of people there discussing the same fixes that got us where we are here.

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Originally Posted by lovindirt:
as was already said who's going to tech these things; if they're sealed we won't run like that because we build our own engines; and are they going to continue to run the original class of sprints. if they continue to run the original classic sprints then we'll come from the GasCity area down there to run. since gas city is going to be doing something different. that is the word anyways. but I planned on running the original sprint class next year

THe racesaver package isn't your typical "SEALED" engine class.... to run a racesaver class you acquire an engine in one of many ways...buy a used one ready to go, buy a new one from any motorbuilder, or build one yourself. You have to have the racesaver spec head, and you have to build with components that meet their rules. Once you have an engine complete and ready, you have to take it to a certified racesaver inspector. They will pull the oil pan off, pull the valvecovers off, pull the injector off, check that everything is legal, degree the cam, put it back together and place their seals on it. They then record every bit of info they learned about your motor and put it in a database that matches up with the serial number on your heads. As long as those seals aren't broken your motor is still legal. If the motor has to come apart it has to go back to the inspector to get resealed. So basically the only tech at the track is making sure the seals are in place and making sure you have the same serial number on the heads as when it was inspected.

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Sale Sale

This week only "Racesaver Seal Kits" Two for the price of one while supplies last!!!!:5:

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Is there any discussion of purse and payout breakdown for this class? My opinion is it needs to be a minimum of 700 to win. maybe 200 to 250 to start feature.

This is the quote from the home page of racesaver "the winner between $150 to $300 and the 24th starter $100 to $150. No, that isn't a lot of money, but that is exactly the plan. Big money, brings big problems"

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Here is the purse structure the PA Sprint Series uses.

Purse
$3855
1 - $275
2 - $250
3 - $225
4 - $200
5 - $180
6 - $165
7 - $160
8 - $155
9 - $150
10 - $150
11 - $145
12 - $145
13 - $145
14 - $145
15 - $145
16 - $145
17 - $130
18 - $135
19 - $135
20 - $135
21 - $135
22 - $135
23 - $135
24 - $135

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So winning pays less than hauling the car there, Paying three or four pit passes and fuel in the car.

Other than motor and spec tires. Everything else is the same and same cost as a full up 410 and a couple grand in wings if you crash.

Sounds Legit.