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Originally Posted by SPIKER RACING PRODUCTS:
What kind of racing format is going to be running? Are we going to get to qualify and run the program like usac with a last chance qualifier? We should really consider this so some of the cars dont get in the way of way faster cars. What about a lay over flag? WHAT ABOUT A FAST DASH FOR A-MAIN LINEUP?

Probably wont't be too many out there running up on on the "COUSHON". That is usually the best grove on that old track.

If you "are" very very fast watch out for that closing speed it will bite you!

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Dad, it's "Cushion"

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well its weds nite,,2 days till the big race at eldora,,still cant afford to come up,,anyone want to help on gas to come from alabama to eldora???so i hope someone gets to film it,,and i want to wish everyone racing good luck,,have fun,,be safe,,givem hell and show one hell of a race,,so we can get another chance,,id like to try in the future,,go gettem guys and gals,,,,,, don e the rocket """ td motorsports /rocket racing:22::23:

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
Dad, it's "Cushion"

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You aint't never talked with Roy Robbins have you? Roy called it a "COUSHON" and I'm with him. When I was a kid I worked with Roy and if he called it a "COUSHON" I'll just have to go along with him.

Who is Roy Robbins?


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

He is the inaugural winner of the Knoxville Nationals, Dad. Lol.

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado:
He is the inaugural winner of the Knoxville Nationals, Dad. Lol.

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"JT" he Never drove a sprint car in his life, just an old school modified driver who could drive the wheels off them ol things before stagger was ever invented, and he called it a "COUSHON". He raced Knoxvile with a borrowed car and a borrowed motor, that how they did it back then.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

Well I only know what I read from that far back. My Mom and Dad were only 5 years old when he won the nationals. Good Luck at the Big E this weekend! Put an airplane gear in it and tell Doug to just be smooth and stand on it!

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NOTE! Another Bonus, Thanks to Tony Rose, American Racer will award a free tire to the highest finishing car on all four American racer Tires in the "A" Main.

Bill May

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We have Left Rear for $120 and Right Rear for $130. We can get fronts if needed.

You can contact us or Tony Rose for Tires

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Sorry just had to put my 2 cents in on the whole Eldor race. Good luck to all the drivers that are allowed to run we will be watching from the grandstands since my son is not old enough to race there....and thats where it all begins why in the world would MMSA schedule a race at a track where ALL their drivers can't race. (my problem is not with Eldora every track has its own rules) but the track rules should have been checked before the race was scheduled. I think it should be a NON POINT race. Fair is Fair. I realize its "Eldora" thats why it can be a NON POINT race becasue it is "ELDORA" everybodys still gonna come. If its gonna be as big as everybody says and all these people from out of state are coming I'm sure their not worried about points. As a racer how would you feel your running for rookie of there year (and have it at this second which I'm sure he will not after this weekend) have been to every race this year and then get an oh I'm sorry I know your dissappointed but theres nothing I can do. How about I just average out your pts and give you those for THIS RACE....uuuhhh how fair is that to the rest of you guys..... really. Hey dont worry about that because he changed his mind on that lastnight. MAKE IT A NON POINT RACE IS WHAT U CAN DO!!!!!
Good luck guys we will be there to watch

Keri
(Daniels mom) and if you have a problem with my post talk to me not my son!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by karmaracing:
Sorry just had to put my 2 cents in on the whole Eldor race. Good luck to all the drivers that are allowed to run we will be watching from the grandstands since my son is not old enough to race there....and thats where it all begins why in the world would MMSA schedule a race at a track where ALL their drivers can't race. (my problem is not with Eldora every track has its own rules) but the track rules should have been checked before the race was scheduled. I think it should be a NON POINT race. Fair is Fair. I realize its "Eldora" thats why it can be a NON POINT race becasue it is "ELDORA" everybodys still gonna come. If its gonna be as big as everybody says and all these people from out of state are coming I'm sure their not worried about points. As a racer how would you feel your running for rookie of there year (and have it at this second which I'm sure he will not after this weekend) have been to every race this year and then get an oh I'm sorry I know your dissappointed but theres nothing I can do. How about I just average out your pts and give you those for THIS RACE....uuuhhh how fair is that to the rest of you guys..... really. Hey dont worry about that because he changed his mind on that lastnight. MAKE IT A NON POINT RACE IS WHAT U CAN DO!!!!!
Good luck guys we will be there to watch

Keri
(Daniels mom) and if you have a problem with my post talk to me not my son!!!!!!!!

I agree. The Rookie of the Year title shouldn't be decided off the track by things out of the driver's control. If car count is what everybody's saying it's going to be, the MMSA point leaders could be in trouble also. It would be devastating to miss the A main. First time around, with a race with so many variables, I think making it a NON points race would be fitting. Good luck to everybody going.

Scotty Orme #03

Make it show-up points only. That would be fair.

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Originally Posted by karmaracing:
Sorry just had to put my 2 cents in on the whole Eldor race. Good luck to all the drivers that are allowed to run we will be watching from the grandstands since my son is not old enough to race there....and thats where it all begins why in the world would MMSA schedule a race at a track where ALL their drivers can't race. (my problem is not with Eldora every track has its own rules) but the track rules should have been checked before the race was scheduled. I think it should be a NON POINT race. Fair is Fair. I realize its "Eldora" thats why it can be a NON POINT race becasue it is "ELDORA" everybodys still gonna come. If its gonna be as big as everybody says and all these people from out of state are coming I'm sure their not worried about points. As a racer how would you feel your running for rookie of there year (and have it at this second which I'm sure he will not after this weekend) have been to every race this year and then get an oh I'm sorry I know your dissappointed but theres nothing I can do. How about I just average out your pts and give you those for THIS RACE....uuuhhh how fair is that to the rest of you guys..... really. Hey dont worry about that because he changed his mind on that lastnight. MAKE IT A NON POINT RACE IS WHAT U CAN DO!!!!!
Good luck guys we will be there to watch

Keri
(Daniels mom) and if you have a problem with my post talk to me not my son!!!!!!!!

A long time ago Doug my son and I changed the name of the "points championship award" to "the perfect attendance award" It made racing a lot more fun for us. The points race is designed to get people to race at every race the group puts on.

The MMSA and AMSA are both supported by racers that do other things besides race, You know like vacations, swim meets for the kids, weddings and things like that.

A very simple rule change like allowing drivers to drop their worst one or two races to include no shows would be a great Idea.

This Eldora race has been in the making for over two years now and I think it great. I once had a driver that couldn't meet the age requirements at some tracks, we just didn't make that race. If you are a serious racer the court system has provided a way to beat the age thing "Emancipation" I do not recommend this option.

Looks like our water pump is not going to be here on time so I guess we will be up with you in the stands or at least I hope down in the pits

Honest Dad himself:6::6:


PS.
The nice thing about a dictator is he can change the rules whenever he wants to. Why not talk it over at the drivers meeting?

Actually Bill tried to get a 600cc race at the Big E back in 1997. That was the old Buckeye Mini Sprint Association days. Man times flies! Glad to see Mini-Sprints finally get to compete at Eldora! Way to stick with it, Bill!

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DAD, back in the day, when we were running the SIRA karting association, the first 4- races of the year went well, then the pressure of "points" became a focal point, to everyone, then things changed, the "fun" left' the "friendship" left, or at least became apparent, so after a few years, we, the board members, were already aware of the problem, but what to do about it was the next question, that no one seemed to have a "reasonable" answer for, as most of us were driving long distances, even the thrill of victory, or the agony of defeat couldn't put away the "points" race, so, one season, we tried to put together a schedule that wasn't somewhere, every weekend, well, that didn't satisfy anyone's thirst, nor fit everyone's schedule, so one of the director's wife's came up with the "best 2 out of 3" idea, that way, it didn't make any difference if you missed a race, or had a bad race day, at the end of the season, everyone counted THEIR best one's, well, guess what, that went over like a T()rd in a punchbowl, "I made every race", I want credit for them, even the bad one's. Now, how do you argue with logic like that? I personally, thought it was a great idea, even tho I didn't think of it, they took the total races ran, and everyone got to count the same number of races, 2/3rds of the total number of races ran, everyone got to count the same number of races, couldn't have been a better method, took off the pressure, for a few, and made the togetherness thing work better, a little, it's been years since then, I don't know how they do it now, but I still thought it was a good thing, so much for trying to keep the most people happy. Bob

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Never will everybody be happy, I can think of a few people that would raise hedoble L with my idea already. Heck we need to drop or worst 5 orso this year. The best idea is to look on it as a perfect attendance award at school that puts everything into perspective.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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non points would be fair

Bill youre doing an incredible job. Keep it up and thank you for putting together such an awesome opportunity for us.

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To bad this great opportunity is gonna knock some racers out of their point standings!!!!!

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Originally Posted by D.L. 122:
non points would be fair

The MMSA website doesn't specify an age limit for the series in their rules. A young driver starting out with the series would have to assume that he or she would be good to race wherever the series scheduled an event. I understand that you can't make everyone happy, but I don't think this is an issue that requires a complete reconstruction of the way points are calculated, I just think that this particular instance needs correcting. Complete information regarding the event wasn't even available until a week or so ago. Anyone that works all week, drives to the track, tears up their stuff, goes home, spends money, puts it back together, and shows up every single time for the next one, deserves his fair shot. It takes a tremendous amount of loyalty and commitment to run an entire series' schedule. I think this is an amazing opportunity for mini sprints to run at a facility of this caliber, so I have nothing against the race itself (still think it'll be a wild one). All I'm saying is that if the age restriction at Eldora is going to shake up the points and rookie title, I vote the next race has an age MAXIMUM of 15yrs. to even things back up.

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Originally Posted by karmaracing:
To bad this great opportunity is gonna knock some racers out of their point standings!!!!!

We should blame this thing on Tony Stewart, I guess ol' Smoke thinks a kid should be old enough to make up his own mind if he wants to go out there race on that big old track and not have it in the hands of his parents or guardians. This track is BIG and BAD You fall asleep and things happen awfully awfully fast.

If the rookie of the year or perfect attendance award is all that important in your life I suggest go out Monday Morning see a lawyer and get the Kid emancipated. Then he can race wherever and with whomever (USAC) he wishes. It has been done several times in the past, I think Tony George did it twice himself.

He is still your kid, when emancipated you will still have to live with your actions. Good Luck.


Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Can anyone confirm this will be videoed, and if so, where can it be viewed. I am from Christchurch, New Zealand and would like to watch this
Darryl Harris

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DAD, the point is not him racing. The age restrictions at Eldora make sense. The point is that this boy has made every single event in this club, had some really rough luck, and has showed up with a smile on his face every week. I'm not saying take the title away from any other driver and give it to him, I'm saying let them all have an equal chance to earn it. Yes, there are more important things in life than awards and trophies and such, but what do we all want when we strap on the helmet in the first place? You only get one shot at Rookie of the Year.

Bill, I see you're on this thread as I'm typing this....your thoughts?

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Thanks for that last post my thoughts exactly :)

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The MMSA does not resolve it's problems on any message board, I have been in personal contact with the family involved. Any others who want information about this situtation or other MMSA business can contact me personally. my phone number and email is out there, or see me at the track.

If you can't do any of the above, watch the MMSA website for post race report and comments, in the meantime, consider that there are pro's and con's to all situtations.

Bill May

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Originally Posted by Copperhead:
DAD, the point is not him racing. The age restrictions at Eldora make sense. The point is that this boy has made every single event in this club, had some really rough luck, and has showed up with a smile on his face every week. I'm not saying take the title away from any other driver and give it to him, I'm saying let them all have an equal chance to earn it. Yes, there are more important things in life than awards and trophies and such, but what do we all want when we strap on the helmet in the first place? You only get one shot at Rookie of the Year.

Bill, I see you're on this thread as I'm typing this....your thoughts?

Did you say "EVERY" race this year? How many races has he missed this year exactly with MMSA?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Originally Posted by Bill May:
The MMSA does not resolve it's problems on any message board, I have been in personal contact with the family involved. Any others who want information about this situtation or other MMSA business can contact me personally. my phone number and email is out there, or see me at the track.

If you can't do any of the above, watch the MMSA website for post race report and comments, in the meantime, consider that there are pro's and con's to all situtations.

Bill May

NUFF SAID, PERIOD END OF QUOTE.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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How come they just dont count this one race towards the rookie of the year ? NUFF SAID, lol

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Originally Posted by backitin:
How come they just dont count this one race towards the rookie of the year ? NUFF SAID, lol

Now we're talking. Give everyone championship points, but no points towards rookie of the year!:8:

Rob Winks takes the checkers at what we hope will be the first race of many at Eldora. I believe the night was a overwhelming success for the series with many new faces. 27 cars signed in and a full field started the feature. Fast mini sprint time was set by Aaron Farney and I believe it was the fastest time of the night for any class.. I think 2 motors met there maker, and one car was damaged in what was the only crash of the night.. I want to thank Bill May for his continued dedication to the sport and the series and Tony Stewart for having us at Eldora...!

This series just needs some sponsors to really grow!!

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[QUOTE=Bill May;295008]In the early 90's the amsa raced at the Richland Co. fairground 1 mile track in Olney, Il, Green to checker, a Kentucky driver won.

Bill,
The fairgrounds at Olney IL is a 1/2 mile, not a 1 mile. Big, narrow, and flat for sure. We ran a MSA sprint car race there once in 1977. Everytime there was a spin, it blocked the track and they would have to throw a red flag.
Congrats on a good car count and a safe race at the "Big E"

Steve

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Thank you Bill May for putting this race together at eldora,this was the most fun i have had at any race in a very long time.I hope that we can race there again in the near future.Also the staff at eldora was top notch with everything they did.The track was awesome!!!

Congrats to all of the mini sprint drivers, MMSA crew and Eldora staff on a very impressive race. We had not been to a mini sprint race in a while and was very impressed with all involved. Thanks to the Mensendiek crew for inviting us along!

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WOW, what a great night of racing at the big E. Every single drive should be proud of themselves for being there. Great driving by everyone. I hope there will be more racing there.

Flynnracing 40

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great job mr bill on a super race,,,seems like all worked out and everyone had fun,,and really enjoyed eldora,,hope to see more races there,so i can come up and have a taste.good to see no one got hurt,,very little carnage,,and a lot of happy racers and fans,,,,super job ,,,,,,,just proves the lightin sprints can put on a great show,for all,,, ALL YOU TRACK OWNERS AND PROMOTERS LISTENING????GIVE THESE CARS A SHOT!!!!!! thanks don e td motorsports /rocket racing:8::22:

Feature highlights are on Eldoras website...

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What these races do is provide more exposure for the Lightning sprints, as well as creates more fan base, and from what I saw in the video, PROVES that we are serious racers. Some folks still don't give lightning sprints any respect, but ANY good races like this prove that these are fast, serious race cars. Just my 2 cents....

Steve Becker
RMLSA
Car #31
Denver, CO

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Rob winks had the fastest time there all night set in hot laps.

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Originally Posted by SPIKER RACING PRODUCTS:
Rob winks had the fastest time there all night set in hot laps.

Wow!!! Them things are pretty darned fast. Sure wish we could have been there. Just need 64 more hits and we got 10,000 hits.

It pays to advertise with MMSA.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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so...how many cars blew up? how many wings flew apart? how many frames just plain broke? Anything else i missed that everyone complained about?

From what I heard 2 motors expired. And I was at Lawrenceburg a few weeks back and I think at least one motor expired there.

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