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Racing and gambling.….
(From Dirt Draft)

ARE GAMES OFFICIAL ONCE THE RACE IS FINISHED?
No, after the event Dirt Draft will validate the event results before marking the event results official and marking as Validated. At that point all scores and points become final. The validation period will normally happen within 12-hours of the completion of a contest.

WHAT HAPPENS IF A DRIVER IS DISQUALIFIED AFTER THE CONTEST IS VALIDATED?
After an event is validated, the event results will not be changed.

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I don't care about Dirt Draft as I don't play

but it will throw this thread off kilter.

Start a thread addressing Dirt Draft, this one is about rules enforcement

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Originally Posted by BLASTER1:
Racing and gambling.….
(From Dirt Draft)

ARE GAMES OFFICIAL ONCE THE RACE IS FINISHED?
No, after the event Dirt Draft will validate the event results before marking the event results official and marking as Validated. At that point all scores and points become final. The validation period will normally happen within 12-hours of the completion of a contest.

WHAT HAPPENS IF A DRIVER IS DISQUALIFIED AFTER THE CONTEST IS VALIDATED?
After an event is validated, the event results will not be changed.

It seems to me you have identified who it is that is in charge of validating the event results, BLASTER 1. IT IS DIRT DRAFT AND THE CONSORTIUM OF SPORTS BOOKS!

It brings to mind the lyric from a Nil Lara song, "it's money that make the monkey dance".

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

Im in agreement that if Rules were broken, and caught the punishment should fit the crime. As one person said if Bacon owned up to in front of his peers. Ballou's Ire should only be on the Sanction. But we all know they got other beefs going back a couple years.

Without the excuses as to why he didn't win, Id call Ballou the closest to Hewitt at speaking his mind that we have today.

It's not the only thing swept under the rug. I mean Drop kicking people strapped in is legal too apparently..

Wonder if he KMD'D the official if that would work.

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What if the drop kick would have been the other way around? This is the sad part of having rules with "selective" enforcement!

The silence is deafening

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See where Michael Dutcher is going a different direction. Rodgers split.
Wonder if this whole deal has something to do with it. Rodgers needs a ride.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
See where Michael Dutcher is going a different direction. Rodgers split.
Wonder if this whole deal has something to do with it. Rodgers needs a ride.

What does this have to do with WeightGate? Start a new thread about Jadon if you want, but this thread is about 2 drivers/teams blatantly breaking the rules and lack of accountability and enforcement of said rules.

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Originally Posted by Chief Wahoo:
What does this have to do with WeightGate? Start a new thread about Jadon if you want, but this thread is about 2 drivers/teams blatantly breaking the rules and lack of accountability and enforcement of said rules.

If Dutcher doesn't want to run USAC or something because of it. Its got everything to do with it. Remember Amati and Team AZ leaving over tire gate?

Yeah and Rodgers needs a ride. TYVM.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
If Dutcher doesn't want to run USAC or something because of it. Its got everything to do with it. Remember Amati and Team AZ leaving over tire gate?

Yeah and Rodgers needs a ride. TYVM.

I assure you there is no correlation between the two, so you can quit speculating that they are related. Now back to the original post.

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I think all the teams should just paint a Styrofoam brick and tape it to their tubes. See what happens?

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with all the sweeping under the rug, usac needs a bigger rug.

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I still think it was the Ok, we're in victory lane and two of em are obviously cheating the rule book. Do we DQ em in front of everyone?


Should scale, tire check and a once over before Victory lane Like every other ORG DOES.

[QUOTE=Charles Nungester;575286]I still think it was the Ok, we're in victory lane and two of em are obviously cheating the rule book. Do we DQ em in front of everyone?


That’s exactly what they should have done.

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Every team that didn't do it should cheat at at least one race, When called on it. Say Well that's my freebie for the year. Put it under that rug over there......

So Break out them 427 small blocks, Nitro, Tire dope. American Racers etc.

Should be interesting. Where's my **** stirring emjoy?

I heard 5 bar chassis are now illegal because it’s actual added weight in front of the axle because nobody actually runs a sway bar.

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Since, I'm partnered in with Brady, here is my take on it....JG made USAC aware of this issue before the racers even got on the track.
From what I understand it was brought up a few times before the races and nothing was done. Why didn't USAC follow up and inpsect the cars ??.........they have the responsibilitty to insure rule compliance and there were more than 2 cars with the weight bolted up front. Now for the kicker........guys have been running front axles with lead inside, lead in side the front frame rail, torsion bars filled with lead, steel front arms and stops. most chassis builders offer the tabs up front to bolt the weight to......where does it stop ?
It is not my job to determine punishments but it has been my experience that racers work around the rules one way or another. During the Eastern Storm were there any motors pumped to make sure the winners were legal ???? Are there pre race inspections to look for violations........isn't the time to find this before the cars are on the track ?

Originally Posted by Gene Franckowiak:
Since, I'm partnered in with Brady, here is my take on it....JG made USAC aware of this issue before the racers even got on the track.
From what I understand it was brought up a few times before the races and nothing was done. Why didn't USAC follow up and inpsect the cars ??.........they have the responsibilitty to insure rule compliance and there were more than 2 cars with the weight bolted up front. Now for the kicker........guys have been running front axles with lead inside, lead in side the front frame rail, torsion bars filled with lead, steel front arms and stops. most chassis builders offer the tabs up front to bolt the weight to......where does it stop ?
It is not my job to determine punishments but it has been my experience that racers work around the rules one way or another. During the Eastern Storm were there any motors pumped to make sure the winners were legal ???? Are there pre race inspections to look for violations........isn't the time to find this before the cars are on the track ?

My thoughts would be if they know it is against the rules and someone has already pointed out that they are doing it why continue to do it ? That to me would mean they already know USAC isn’t going to do anything about it or that they were daring them to do something about it.

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pre race rules checks for safety....post race rules checked for performance advantage...enforce the rules as written....filling a tube with lead,running a heavy component,etc are gray areas of the rules...not blatant cheating......if u want the rules changed so be it ...lobby for it ....i doubt any racer would object to changing the rule to allow bolt on weight

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Originally Posted by jaythorne:
pre race rules checks for safety....

I would think weight bolted to a front bumper could be construed as a safety concern, if not tethered.

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Originally Posted by Gene Franckowiak:
Since, I'm partnered in with Brady, here is my take on it....JG made USAC aware of this issue before the racers even got on the track.
From what I understand it was brought up a few times before the races and nothing was done. Why didn't USAC follow up and inpsect the cars ??.........they have the responsibilitty to insure rule compliance and there were more than 2 cars with the weight bolted up front. Now for the kicker........guys have been running front axles with lead inside, lead in side the front frame rail, torsion bars filled with lead, steel front arms and stops. most chassis builders offer the tabs up front to bolt the weight to......where does it stop ?
It is not my job to determine punishments but it has been my experience that racers work around the rules one way or another. During the Eastern Storm were there any motors pumped to make sure the winners were legal ???? Are there pre race inspections to look for violations........isn't the time to find this before the cars are on the track ?

So you have basically condoned cheating and knowing full right well it’s cheating you blame the sanction. I’m ok with the assessment that Usac didn’t do anything about it and that is their issue. Unfortunately you didn’t explain that when JG was asked if he wanted to protest then after the race he declined.I have my own theory about why that happened (Florida 2022) You also didn’t mention that tech did do its job and then were overruled.
What’s most concerning to me is that you have always been a straight shooter and level minded with your posts. Today you decide to preach that I’m good with our team blatantly breaking the rule which is black and white. It’s up to Usac to tell me I’m illegal. I’m sorry Gene I’ve lost total respect for you and all of what I thought you stood for. If this is what the series has turned into then reevaluating my decision to support it may be what I have to do. A sad day when someone of your caliber comes out with a statement like this. Sad sad sad.

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Originally Posted by yeleyfan76:
So you have basically condoned cheating and knowing full right well it’s cheating you blame the sanction. I’m ok with the assessment that Usac didn’t do anything about it and that is their issue. Unfortunately you didn’t explain that when JG was asked if he wanted to protest then after the race he declined.I have my own theory about why that happened (Florida 2022) You also didn’t mention that tech did do its job and then were overruled.
What’s most concerning to me is that you have always been a straight shooter and level minded with your posts. Today you decide to preach that I’m good with our team blatantly breaking the rule which is black and white. It’s up to Usac to tell me I’m illegal. I’m sorry Gene I’ve lost total respect for you and all of what I thought you stood for. If this is what the series has turned into then reevaluating my decision to support it may be what I have to do. A sad day when someone of your caliber comes out with a statement like this. Sad sad sad.

Really? Pointing out that everyone's doing something and it's not being enforced is bad?

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Originally Posted by Gene Franckowiak:
Since, I'm partnered in with Brady, here is my take on it....JG made USAC aware of this issue before the racers even got on the track.
From what I understand it was brought up a few times before the races and nothing was done. Why didn't USAC follow up and inpsect the cars ??.........they have the responsibilitty to insure rule compliance and there were more than 2 cars with the weight bolted up front. Now for the kicker........guys have been running front axles with lead inside, lead in side the front frame rail, torsion bars filled with lead, steel front arms and stops. most chassis builders offer the tabs up front to bolt the weight to......where does it stop ?
It is not my job to determine punishments but it has been my experience that racers work around the rules one way or another. During the Eastern Storm were there any motors pumped to make sure the winners were legal ???? Are there pre race inspections to look for violations........isn't the time to find this before the cars are on the track ?

This may be the dumbest post ever in the history of IOW....Clown

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Originally Posted by nodramazone20:
This may be the dumbest post ever in the history of IOW....Clown

You must be new to this forum. :3:

Originally Posted by nodramazone20:
This may be the dumbest post ever in the history of IOW....Clown

You seem to be in conflict with your screen name.

The photo of Bacon looks to be taken at Williams Grove while the sun is out. Maybe during qualifying? If that’s the case shouldn’t he have been disqualified going across the scales? It’s not like it’s hidden.
Ignorance to the rule is no excuse, but is selectively enforcing an excuse?

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Originally Posted by Twister17:
The photo of Bacon looks to be taken at Williams Grove while the sun is out. Maybe during qualifying? If that’s the case shouldn’t he have been disqualified going across the scales? It’s not like it’s hidden.
Ignorance to the rule is no excuse, but is selectively enforcing an excuse?

But they don't scale before the podium ceremonies......

Boys & Girls it's all about the "Club".😎

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
But they don't scale before the podium ceremonies......

I think he means going to the scales after qualifying

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:deadhorse: Effectively forgotten. :47:

Originally Posted by racegal:
:deadhorse: Effectively forgotten. :47:

Everyone should have known they wouldn’t do anything about it because of who was involved. I can’t help but think guys like Rollie Beale and Norm Shields are turning over in their graves from watching how big of a 💩show USAC has become.

ANOTHER one swept under the rug by USAC to protect one of their golden boys. Were you expecting anything else ??

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Yes

Really has me rethinking how and where I spend my money. I already subscribe to flow. I love listening to full bore racing engines running at full chat live and in person. I have options.

I am glad I started this thread. Over 22K looks..... somebody's reading it. Got nothing when asking "Richie Murray" other than I misspelled his name (I googled it originally and that's what I came up with) The loyalist circled the wagons. Grammar is huge when your grasping a fist full of nothing. Typical for the Internet. Pretty sad. Is it a big deal? Well, Rules are Rules and I honestly don't know if anything actually happened. Must not of huh? I was around Midget racing with skin in the game when some goofy tire rules and a vengeance for Danny Drinan was going around. Tire "selected" would only work on a Beast. If you had a Drinan chassis you were pretty much running for sixth.... then we got into rev limiters and engine subscriptions and I really started looking at the economics of the entire endeavor.

It is a Club

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Figured Ballou would come out with a new ISW shirt. :8:

https://robertballou.myshopify.com/p...-hate-cheaters

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This long after it. Im not longer upset that a few cheated.

I am upset that the person (S) who allowed it to happen haven't been replaced. (Not that they should be fired) But removed from that position.

It should be black and white, Right or wrong, Rules or NO RULES.
CASE CLOSED.

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Fired is the only thing that should have happened. The two cars cheating should have been DQ’d that nite. They also should have been suspended for the rest of the season, lost all point money and put on probation for the entire 2025 season. That is the precedent set by Usac for actions detrimental to the sport. While I feel blatantly cheating and breaking a black and white rule is a bunch worse than tweeting on your phone, who am I? Usac has proven to be a banana republic yet again.

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I don't know about the Forfiet all points and banned for the season. But DQ'd and loss of points with maybe a hundred point penalty. You want them to race again with you, don't ya?

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Let them leave. Bacon has left multiple times and keeps coming back. He doesn’t like being in the back. Moles hasn’t shown that he would go wings anyway. There is plenty enough talent out there to make up for them if they leave.
Based on the question you have asked it appears you think cheating is not as detrimental to the sport in a way that tweeting on your phone is. You are entitled to that opinion. For me cheating is worse and the penalty should be as equal if not worse. Oh well.

At a bare minimum USAC needs to address what took place and its resolution or their reason for no action taken. If you really want to get their attention I suggest you contact the title sponsor and express your concerns.