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Don you mention a couple of times that you are never in the top 10 etc. I want to make it VERY CLEAR to everyone that not only are you in my top 10 you are #1 in my book!

In fact I am a charter member of the "I Like DonMoore10 Organization/Union/Club". :respect:

If you have not heard it is a club that doesn't require a membership fee. :O: But in return you get countless laughs:O:, many rolled eyes :rolleyes:and a fair amount of heartburn :headbang all free of charge for time one invests to read the posts of the clubs name sake.There is one slight catch though, you have to swear alegiance to Tony Barhorst as your favorite promoter and support his events, assuming you can get into the parking lot and not get run over by all of the rigs that are leaving the pits. Which makes me wonder...if Tony required membership fees could he have used his union fees to make fixes at the track prior to race day?

My old buddy old pal DonMoore10 reminds me of National Lampoons Christmas Vacation...he is the "gift that keeps on giving!"

Re: Joining Midget Org a Waste of Money
 

Can we get back on topic........

Re: Joining Midget Org a Waste of Money
 

Originally Posted by DonMoore10:
Can we get back on topic........

... the teacher says, as he taps his pointer on the desk. lol

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Originally Posted by E.P.:
... assuming you can get into the parking lot and not get run over by all of the rigs that are leaving the pits.

now THAT is funny ... :rolling

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:respect:EP:respect:
Funniest post I have read in a while.

Now on topic. You pay membership fees to be able to take adavantage of their insurances. What do you need insurance for? ask mccreadie or biro... I bet they are both wishing they had insurance right now.. (NOT A SHOT OR BASH IN ANYWAY TO EITHER DRIVER)

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The insurance offered by the soliciting midget org is SECONDARY INSURANCE. If you are in the racing business and don't have insurance... well...

There is ZERO info on this midget org site about the secondary insurance being offered. I would have to say that 95% of the people that race have good primary insurance policy. Sorry, the secondary insurance is not a compelling reason to join this midget org, IMO.

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It amazes me how all the people on here bash Don about everything he says. I do not agree with every thing he says, but he is at least standing up and proudly claiming who he is and speaking the truth. I would like to see what kind of racing experience most of his bashers have. Probally none past sitting in the stands. Not only midget racing but racing as a whole is wayyyyyy to expensive! All Don wants to do is participate in the sport we all love and not go broke doing it. I have two racecars sitting in my garage but can't even afford to race them with out help from an outside source. I would like that to change, hell if it was cheaper then maybe some of those who are the bashers could afford to race to! If more people could learn to look at things with an open mind and stand up for what is right or wrong something productive could come from all of this. Just my two cents, now let all the smart ass comments begin!


Bob Shutt

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Racer 12:"Not only midget racing but racing as a whole is wayyyyyy to expensive! All Don wants to do is participate in the sport we all love and not go broke doing it."

I am "just a fan" and I agree with some of what Don says. However going on a message board and what some see as "bashing" an organization probably doesn't build a lot of credibilty or respect to what he has to say.
The benefit of a strong organization would be the ability to leverage sponsorship and sanctioning fees to help with the bottom line, the purse, and name recognition to a product(the quality of racing) Which in turn "should" help the member obtain more money through sponsors and winnings to make a race team at least stay afloat, preferably turn a profit if successful. Without a "business plan" and an organized effort this will never happen. But what the hell do I know I am just a fan in the stands drinking beer and eating dust.

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So what you are saying is that we as racers should go to the races and go broke with the hope that someday the org. will get their act together. Then maybe then the racers who put on the show can recieve a break in the form of more exposure which will bring more money to us. If we do that there won't be anybody left. Midget racing is not a national sport, it is regional at best. What needs to happen is that changes need to be made so that working people like you and me can afford to support a household an still go race. It is damn hard to race and work a job, then you add on the time it takes to go and contact companies for sponsorship. It is near impossible unless you have a great group of voulunteers.

In no way was I trying to put down fans at all, they are a part of what makes all this possible to do. But all I am saying is that it is easy to hide behind a screen name and talk of something which you have never participated in.

Bob Shutt

Originally Posted by Z-man:
Racer 12:"Not only midget racing but racing as a whole is wayyyyyy to expensive! All Don wants to do is participate in the sport we all love and not go broke doing it."

I am "just a fan" and I agree with some of what Don says. However going on a message board and what some see as "bashing" an organization probably doesn't build a lot of credibilty or respect to what he has to say.
The benefit of a strong organization would be the ability to leverage sponsorship and sanctioning fees to help with the bottom line, the purse, and name recognition to a product(the quality of racing) Which in turn "should" help the member obtain more money through sponsors and winnings to make a race team at least stay afloat, preferably turn a profit if successful. Without a "business plan" and an organized effort this will never happen. But what the hell do I know I am just a fan in the stands drinking beer and eating dust.

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Originally Posted by Racer12:
So what you are saying is that we as racers should go to the races and go broke with the hope that someday the org. will get their act together. Then maybe then the racers who put on the show can recieve a break in the form of more exposure which will bring more money to us. If we do that there won't be anybody left. Midget racing is not a national sport, it is regional at best. What needs to happen is that changes need to be made so that working people like you and me can afford to support a household an still go race. It is damn hard to race and work a job, then you add on the time it takes to go and contact companies for sponsorship. It is near impossible unless you have a great group of voulunteers.

In no way was I trying to put down fans at all, they are a part of what makes all this possible to do. But all I am saying is that it is easy to hide behind a screen name and talk of something which you have never participated in.

Bob Shutt

Bob all I am saying is that without an organized effort to promote this sport the probability of success decreases. If an organization is not able to produce results or benefits for it's members don't support them, support one that does. If one doesn't exist then maybe an active role in an existing hopeful organization or creating yet another one may help. I am not trying to make this sound easy, if it were it would already have been done and everyone would be racing midgets for NASCAR purses.
As for the never participated in, you are correct, this is a message board not an organized meeting. I can talk about hot dogs If I want to.

Jeff Ziesemer