The BOSS series is the true format of outlaw....not bowing down to Hoosier tire company ,requiring teams to run a more expensive tire that is suppose to save teams money... Arron Fry understands the whole concept of competive shows and the open tire rule shows up in the number of cars that come to his shows....some of the most exciting racing I've seen in years ,BOSS is the only true outlaw series out there.....

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
I thought it was that if an Outlaw team took a provisional than a local could take a provisional. If all of the Outlaws made the show, then no locals could take a provisional. Like was said earlier, there have been Provisionals in WOO for years. You see it come in to play in the sprint car hot beds. I just think that it was always a one for one situation. If Johnny Gibson was confused, it had to be a one off situation. He has been with them for a very long time.

There is a new WoO rule about provisionals this year. Only 2 per WoO team to start the year, but teams can earn up to 2 additional provisionals. No points or minimum start money can be earned if using one. WoO rule 8H says the promoter may award up to 2 provisionals to locals where a weekly sprint car program is raced and pointed. On this night all 12 WoO teams made the A-main and the only provisional taker was T-Mac, who tagged the field in 25th, finished 14th. I don't know if there was confusion of just surprise that the promoter took them up on the rule. It seemed strange at the time. :)

FYI: Purse just increased. Qualifying night payout tonight....$10000 to win $1000 to start. This includes the supporting class. Unreal.

Any updates for this event?

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Only 26 wing cars there!

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Originally Posted by cleatziff:
Any updates for this event?

Badlands Facebook page

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Rico fast time!!!

Played the USAC BC tribute on the big screens right after the anthem. Not many dry eyes.

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Badlands Motor Speedway Winged Sprint Cars A Feature Lineup: 1. Rico Abreu, 2. Craig Dollansky, 3. Mark Dobmeier, 4. Paul Nienhiser, 5. Paige Polyak, 6. Brady Bacon, 7. Bud Kaeding, 8. Jason Solwold, 9. Ian Madsen, 10. Aaron Reutzel, 11. Justin Henderson, 12. Thomas Kennedy, 13. Tim Kaeding, 14. Austin McCarl, 15. Dusty Zomer, 16. Jody Rosenboom, 17. Ryan Bickett, 18. Dylan Peterson, 19. Cody Hansen, 20. Joe Riedel, 21. Chuck McGillivray, 22. Dusty Ballenger, 23. John Lambertz, 24. Matt Juhl, 25. Rob Caho Jr. 26. Brant O'Banion

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
There was a great line on Hoseheads about Badlands. " ...When one of my best friends, who has been married and divorced 4 times, starts complaining about his new girlfriend being a b*&ch, I say "did you ever consider that it might be you?"

My race chasin buddy was asked after he was fired from his job, and his 2nd wife had divorced him if he should consider a new career. His reply was: Marriage Councilor . Nuff said.

Originally Posted by rachasin:
Badlands Motor Speedway Winged Sprint Cars A Feature Lineup: 1. Rico Abreu, 2. Craig Dollansky, 3. Mark Dobmeier, 4. Paul Nienhiser, 5. Paige Polyak, 6. Brady Bacon, 7. Bud Kaeding, 8. Jason Solwold, 9. Ian Madsen, 10. Aaron Reutzel, 11. Justin Henderson, 12. Thomas Kennedy, 13. Tim Kaeding, 14. Austin McCarl, 15. Dusty Zomer, 16. Jody Rosenboom, 17. Ryan Bickett, 18. Dylan Peterson, 19. Cody Hansen, 20. Joe Riedel, 21. Chuck McGillivray, 22. Dusty Ballenger, 23. John Lambertz, 24. Matt Juhl, 25. Rob Caho Jr. 26. Brant O'Banion

I guess these are the only real outlaws out there. Go get em Rico!

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I wish Badlands all the success in the world. I think this is one of the greatest ideas ever. Money IS there guys.... run what cha brung and shut the hell up.

410s A Feature (1-9) 1-C.Dollansky 2-B.Bacon 3-M.Dobmeier 4-I.Madsen 5-J.Henderson 6-P.Polyak 7-T.Kaeding 8-J.Solwold 9-R.Abreu
10-B.Kaeding 11-J.Rosenboom 12-A.McCarl 13-C.Hansen 14-R.Bickett 15-D.Zomer 16-J.Riedel 17-R.Caho Jr 18-D.Peterson 19-M.Juhl 20-D.Ballenger 21-P.Nienhiser 22-C.McGillivray 23-J.Lambertz 24-T.Kennedy 25-A.Reutzel

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Originally Posted by Rpracing1:
I guess these are the only real outlaws out there. Go get em Rico!

He was leading with 16 to go, yellow fell, and he flatted under the yellow. Restarted 21st and worked it back to 9th. He was looking awfully racy! Safe bet the winner of the $50,000 in wings is gonna have to go through him. Dollansky, Bacon and Dobmeier looked good too, but Rico looked to have them covered, tonight. Polyak was slugging it out up front with the leaders, too. These outlaws are all gonna make pretty good money, since the whole purse is being split over 25-26 cars, thus the $10,000 to win, $1000 to start in the qualifiers, I guess.


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Originally Posted by Nate:
Maybe I'm just dumb and naive, but I thought the whole point of the Outlaws was to allow drivers to come and go and go as they please, for instance the Buckeye OUTLAW Sprint Series says it plainly in their rule book.

"In the true “outlaw” fashion, any driver from any series is welcome to run with BOSS as long as they meet the requirements in the following rules. Conversely, BOSS will NOT penalize drivers for participating in other events."

Outlaws as used in woo means nothing at all.
Just a fancy name which doesn't match the drivers or race's at all.
Some of the most policed racing there is.
A true Outlaw series=no rules
I'll try to sugar coat this some, the woo :26:

Lol, the most successful dirt track series in the country, by far. The Outlaws are a brand and they protect that brand with their rules.

The "true" outlaw concept is a nightmare for promoters because you don't know who is showing up. Why do you think the woo started all those many years ago?

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Originally Posted by dsc1600:
Lol, the most successful dirt track series in the country, by far. The Outlaws are a brand and they protect that brand with their rules.

The "true" outlaw concept is a nightmare for promoters because you don't know who is showing up. Why do you think the woo started all those many years ago?

BOSS is a "true" concept and they pull more cars on average than MSCS, USAC or any other non-wing series in the country. WoO you never know how many cars are going to show either. They may pull enough to run a C-Main or it could be like earlier this week where the Dash alone nearly constituted half of the field.

What I don't get is WoO regulars ran ASCoC events during Speedweeks and it's not an issue, they run Winter Heat at Cocopah and it's not an issue, yet they couldn't run Brandon last night when they themselves had no race? Why?

I realize they're a popular series and they do get fans in the stands although sometimes their races can be less than exciting. But I would think with nothing going on it can't hurt to let drivers go elsewhere. You don't see USAC getting bent out of shape when their drivers do other events on off nights.

Originally Posted by Nate:
BOSS is a "true" concept and they pull more cars on average than MSCS, USAC or any other non-wing series in the country. WoO you never know how many cars are going to show either. They may pull enough to run a C-Main or it could be like earlier this week where the Dash alone nearly constituted half of the field.

What I don't get is WoO regulars ran ASCoC events during Speedweeks and it's not an issue, they run Winter Heat at Cocopah and it's not an issue, yet they couldn't run Brandon last night when they themselves had no race? Why?

I realize they're a popular series and they do get fans in the stands although sometimes their races can be less than exciting. But I would think with nothing going on it can't hurt to let drivers go elsewhere. You don't see USAC getting bent out of shape when their drivers do other events on off nights.

Usac use to not liking the drivers running for points to drive the same car at other events. Seen several times that some drivers would just put a letter behind the number. Seen Robert Ballou put a ? On the tail of the car. Bacon running tonight in the # 69 Hoffman car with a # 99 . Lol.

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I think Brady is in his own car tonight, not a Hoffman car.

Originally Posted by Sandy Lowe:
I think Brady is in his own car tonight, not a Hoffman car.

I knew that he ran his own wing car last night. I had heard that he was in the Hoffman non wing racing car tonight. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Nate:
BOSS is a "true" concept and they pull more cars on average than MSCS, USAC or any other non-wing series in the country. WoO you never know how many cars are going to show either. They may pull enough to run a C-Main or it could be like earlier this week where the Dash alone nearly constituted half of the field.

What I don't get is WoO regulars ran ASCoC events during Speedweeks and it's not an issue, they run Winter Heat at Cocopah and it's not an issue, yet they couldn't run Brandon last night when they themselves had no race? Why?

I realize they're a popular series and they do get fans in the stands although sometimes their races can be less than exciting. But I would think with nothing going on it can't hurt to let drivers go elsewhere. You don't see USAC getting bent out of shape when their drivers do other events on off nights.

You can't see what it would hurt? What it hurts is it dilutes their product. If a promotor can stage a good paying show and get the top WoO cars without the sanction fee and paying the purse threw out the field, what reason to have them? That's why USAC purses are where there at.... You just as likely to see some of them at any track that's running if USAC is off...can you imagine what USAC could pay if there top 10-15 cars were contracted to them and the only chance you'd see them is at a USAC show?
As far as BOSS, it is a great concept with a decent purse & I applaud their efforts to have a series that a blue collar guy can run and (mostly) afford. They have some great talent but I'm not sure they have the star power yet to restrict their guys from running elsewhere. My .02

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Originally Posted by motorhead748:
You can't see what it would hurt? What it hurts is it dilutes their product. If a promotor can stage a good paying show and get the top WoO cars without the sanction fee and paying the purse threw out the field, what reason to have them? That's why USAC purses are where there at.... You just as likely to see some of them at any track that's running if USAC is off...can you imagine what USAC could pay if there top 10-15 cars were contracted to them and the only chance you'd see them is at a USAC show?
As far as BOSS, it is a great concept with a decent purse & I applaud their efforts to have a series that a blue collar guy can run and (mostly) afford. They have some great talent but I'm not sure they have the star power yet to restrict their guys from running elsewhere. My .02

Do you honestly think that because Schatz or Shane Stewart go and run Badlands for a one off event that it's somehow going to hurt WoO in the long run? It's not like 50k to win shows happen on a weekly basis.

I still don't get what the big deal is? Like I said on WoO off nights during Speedweeks in FL you have guys running ASCoC that are WoO regulars. Pittman, Saldana, Stewart, etc (all big names in WoO) ran Cocopah and there was no drama there.

Not trying to argue with you. I just think all the drama up that way is more of a result of the Badlands/Chuck vs. WoO rather than WoO trying to protect their product.

***PURSE INCREASE ALERT***
Tonight's "Rock & Roll Gold Cup" preliminary now pays $10,000 to win & $1,000 to start!

Originally Posted by Nate:
Do you honestly think that because Schatz or Shane Stewart go and run Badlands for a one off event that it's somehow going to hurt WoO in the long run? It's not like 50k to win shows happen on a weekly basis.

I still don't get what the big deal is? Like I said on WoO off nights during Speedweeks in FL you have guys running ASCoC that are WoO regulars. Pittman, Saldana, Stewart, etc (all big names in WoO) ran Cocopah and there was no drama there.

Not trying to argue with you. I just think all the drama up that way is more of a result of the Badlands/Chuck vs. WoO rather than WoO trying to protect their product.

where do you draw the line? If it's ok to go run one show , why not another next week? As far as Florida/ cocopah it's a little different deal in that the WoO season hasn't started.
As far as badlands /chuck vs WoO, it's my understanding that chuck only wanted the cars, no dirtvision , no Craftsman etc. the WoO would have been stupid to cave to his demands.
I'm sure chuck has done a lot of good things with husets with all he's done to the track and increased purses etc but there is one common denominator in the friction in that area & that would be chuck.
I've been to husets/badlands several times and had high expectations of riding out to see the improvements but seeing how everything has unfolded I'm gonna wait a bit.

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Originally Posted by Nate:
Do you honestly think that because Schatz or Shane Stewart go and run Badlands for a one off event that it's somehow going to hurt WoO in the long run? It's not like 50k to win shows happen on a weekly basis.

I still don't get what the big deal is? Like I said on WoO off nights during Speedweeks in FL you have guys running ASCoC that are WoO regulars. Pittman, Saldana, Stewart, etc (all big names in WoO) ran Cocopah and there was no drama there.

Not trying to argue with you. I just think all the drama up that way is more of a result of the Badlands/Chuck vs. WoO rather than WoO trying to protect their product.

This is one of the re-occurring themes on IOW that makes me laugh.

Every x months, someone will get on the message board and complain how much more money the WOO drivers earn. They will complain about the bigger sponsorships that they receive. They will complain that they don't understand why the WOO is perceived as the premiere Sprint Car Sanction in the country.

Then every x months, there will be a post like this one complaining about the WOO not allowing their drivers to race for other promoters. The post will complain when the WOO will go to great lengths to protect their image and their drivers.

These two things are directly related. If you want to see a WOO driver, you have to go to a WOO show. If you want to be a contracted WOO driver, you will receive great benefits, but you will have to be committed to the WOO. They go hand and hand.

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33 non wing cars per USAC

CJ in the 66 up in smoke in hot laps. He bailed out. He is up and talking to the safety folks. USAC guys said he is ok.

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I think there are stipulations about what tracks the USAC drivers can race at between USAC shows. I THINK that the track has to be on the USAC schedule at least once during the season or they are penalized for racing there. (They lose points or something) At least that's the way it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Jonr:
This is one of the re-occurring themes on IOW that makes me laugh.

Every x months, someone will get on the message board and complain how much more money the WOO drivers earn. They will complain about the bigger sponsorships that they receive. They will complain that they don't understand why the WOO is perceived as the premiere Sprint Car Sanction in the country.

Then every x months, there will be a post like this one complaining about the WOO not allowing their drivers to race for other promoters. The post will complain when the WOO will go to great lengths to protect their image and their drivers.

These two things are directly related. If you want to see a WOO driver, you have to go to a WOO show. If you want to be a contracted WOO driver, you will receive great benefits, but you will have to be committed to the WOO. They go hand and hand.

Again, I understand that the WoO drivers are committed to WoO, at least the full time drivers that is, which is 11 or 12 guys.

WoO is a national brand. They race all over the country and since they do dabble into Canada you could say internationally. They struggled to find series sponsorship a few years ago but now Craftsman is onboard and all the power to them. Drivers get big time sponsors because it's the most marketable type of dirt racing out there. I have no issue with the money they make or their sponsors. Never been an issue with me, you wanna spend the money to race in the big time then the more you make, basic economics. I don't have a college degree in finance but its not a hard subject to understand.

I get the benefit of running WoO. They make it worth while. Also, I get why fans are in the stands, I actually believe a lot of other series around the country should take note in the fan engagement that WoO does. May seem stupid to some but for a youngster that gets to go down on the track or in front of the crowd and gets to do the inversion draw...he's a lifelong fan. They're giving away free Craftsman tools and and have all kinds of stuff going on to enhance their program.

Personally, I just don't think we should limit drivers. Bryan Clauson wouldn't have won a Kokomo Speedway track championship if USAC had rule saying he couldn't run anything else. A third of the Knoxville Nationals field wouldn't have been there if ASCoC had a rule. That's all I'm saying.

I get it, I really do. But even NASCAR doesn't have a rule against drivers going down and running ARCA and/or CRA series which is has been done this season, especially with some of the younger or underfunded type drivers. Why? Because it won't ruin their product, although some may argue the NASCAR product isn't one to speak of these days but nevertheless there are still big bucks to be made in that department.

From guys I've talked to closely connected to the series they say the drivers want nothing to do with Badlands or Chuck anyways but I'd be curious to see just how true that is. If Schatz can go run a late model on a night off then I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to take his sprint car wherever he wants.

Like I said, not trying to get in a pissin' match over it. I have never read over what their contract says or doesn't say and have no clue of the clauses they have. I just know if I was a true racer, my series wasn't running, and I had a car as strong as some of the WoO bubbas, I'd wanna go run for big bucks.

Originally Posted by racegal:
I think there are stipulations about what tracks the USAC drivers can race at between USAC shows. I THINK that the track has to be on the USAC schedule at least once during the season or they are penalized for racing there. (They lose points or something) At least that's the way it used to be.

Not sure about that one entirely.

Seen Darland, Meseraull, etc run at tracks with BOSS this year not on USAC's schedule. Could be wrong though.

Macho man into the wall in qualifying. He's up out and getting it fixed. Bicycled the cushion, took a weird hop into the wall. KevinThomas is QT so far. Stockton second quick, Tmez 3rd.

CJ is fine, wicked flip in his qualifying lap. He is up, out and digusted. Burned one up, flip this one.

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USAC has their own program to reward their drivers and to try and protect their brand. It is called the "Amsoil DOMINATOR Sprint Car Incentive Program."

From usacracing.com:

The Amsoil DOMINATOR Sprint Car Incentive Program rewards the top-ten in owner points for races in the state of Indiana and the top-twelve in owner points outside the state of Indiana. The active incentive teams at each race will be based on points entering the event, with only those owners being eligible, whether all incentive cars are present or not. The driver for any event must be a licensed USAC driver to be eligible.

Incentives:

1. Free Pit Entry – Registered Car Owner and Licensed USAC Driver
2. Car Entry Fee Waived
3. *$150 Bonus for races outside the state of Indiana*

The entry fee will be waived for all eligible cars at every event except for those requiring pre-registration. For those, competitors are responsible for providing their own entry fee and information. USAC will not cover.

USAC reserves the right to withdraw incentives from any car owner for any length of time, due to actions detrimental to the sport or violating the loyalty clause. Negative comments, either in interviews or on social media. The incentive teams are viewed as the standard in sprint car racing and will be held to higher expectations. The loyalty clause excludes incentive teams from racing a competing dirt sprint car event on the same day as a USAC National Sprint event. Furthermore, they will not compete within 24 hours and 200 miles of a scheduled USAC National Sprint event at a track that does not conduct at least 1 scheduled USAC event during the calendar year.

The 2016 Amsoil DOMINATOR Sprint Car Incentive Program goes into effect on February 18th, with teams finishing the 2015 season among the top-twelve being eligible to receive benefits. Points from the current season will establish the eligible teams starting on April 1st.

So if you are in the top 10, are loyal to USAC & don't bad mouth them you get a couple free pit passes & a comped entry fee at each race - $90 or so value? Plus you are eligible for the year-end point fund of $100,000 plus.

Doesn't sound like a bad trade-off to me.

You can still run a local Bloomington show the day before a USAC race at Lincoln Park, you just can't run a local Lawrenceburg show the same night USAC is at Putnamville.

USAC tries to schedule multiple races together when they travel out of the Indiana area to make it more cost effective for their teams. If they allowed their teams to run a local show the day before, and in the same area, as an out-of-state USAC show why would promoters book a USAC race if they could get the same drivers for less than half the price?

Would there even be an "Eastern Storm" or any of the other multi day swings if they allowed this to happen?

Macho Man tagging the field in the B! Up to 9th, yellow, 4 transfer. Woo, made the main!!! 4th with second to last lap pass!!! Picked em off one by one.

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Sandy, I feel like that one makes complete sense. Thanks

Originally Posted by sapper211:
Macho Man tagging the field in the B! Up to 9th, yellow, 4 transfer. Woo, made the main!!! 4th with second to last lap pass!!! Picked em off one by one.

A main, 5 left, Macho Man jumped the cushion got sucked into the wall in two. Turned it over a few times. He hopped right out.

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Originally Posted by Nate:
Do you honestly think that because Schatz or Shane Stewart go and run Badlands for a one off event that it's somehow going to hurt WoO in the long run? It's not like 50k to win shows happen on a weekly basis.

I still don't get what the big deal is? Like I said on WoO off nights during Speedweeks in FL you have guys running ASCoC that are WoO regulars. Pittman, Saldana, Stewart, etc (all big names in WoO) ran Cocopah and there was no drama there.

Not trying to argue with you. I just think all the drama up that way is more of a result of the Badlands/Chuck vs. WoO rather than WoO trying to protect their product.

Nate I also not trying to argue but the All Stars were in Florida 3 days before the Outlaws were to start so the big name outlaw guys could run with the All Stars because their season HADN"T started yet Once the outlaw season started the names only ran outlaw races. They ran the All Stars to test their cars and maybe pick up a little extra cash :8:

I undestan loyalty clauses etc. but like out there with knoxville and jackson Nsl Woo etc THERES NOT ENOUGH CARS TO SHOW UP TO A 50k RACE TO NOT EVEN WARRANT A CONSI? To me, thats a black eye on the whole state of winged racing!

TO GET OUTSTAGED BY NON WING RUNNING A THOU MILES FROM HOME BASE! PATHETIC!

I say this because many of the biggest races started with NO SANCTION! then the sanctions kinda forced their way in by keeping stars out of prelims and non their brand shows......

The kings royal, grove national open big one and others Didn't have a sanction for years.

IDK, maybe they are running for a higher average purse or big points fund, BUT THEN PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKING: Why aren't there more big money races? HELL YOU CAN'T EVEN START ONE ANYMORE WITHOUT SOME BRAND OR SANCTIONS APPROVAL AND THE FEE THAT COMES WITH IT.

I also didn't get the whole chuck vs knoxville vs jackson thing. You either work together on some things. OR WHOEVER DOES IT BEST SHOULD WIN!

Rant over. but to me it puts a black eye on winged racing to me. Well supported this would have grown next year in purse throughout the field, Made me want to drive 14 hours to see it next year, NOW THERE MAY BE NO NEXT YEAR. AND SOME OF THE: REAL OUTLAWS WHO ACTUALLY SHOWED UP CAN MAKE ONE THOUSAND ON TWO SEPERAT NIGHTS BY RUNNING THREE LAPS. Run one qual. lap, one heat lap and one feature lap, All because there are not enough to warrent a consi for a 50k race.

Good job usac and the nw guys who went, to reckognize a GOOD THING when it was offered!

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I undestan loyalty clauses etc. but like out there with knoxville and jackson Nsl Woo etc THERES NOT ENOUGH CARS TO SHOW UP TO A 50k RACE TO NOT EVEN WARRANT A CONSI? To me, thats a black eye on the whole state of winged racing!

TO GET OUTSTAGED BY NON WING RUNNING A THOU MILES FROM HOME BASE! PATHETIC!

I say this because many of the biggest races started with NO SANCTION! then the sanctions kinda forced their way in by keeping stars out of prelims and non their brand shows......

The kings royal, grove national open big one and others Didn't have a sanction for years.

IDK, maybe they are running for a higher average purse or big points fund, BUT THEN PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKING: Why aren't there more big money races? HELL YOU CAN'T EVEN START ONE ANYMORE WITHOUT SOME BRAND OR SANCTIONS APPROVAL AND THE FEE THAT COMES WITH IT.

I also didn't get the whole chuck vs knoxville vs jackson thing. You either work together on some things. OR WHOEVER DOES IT BEST SHOULD WIN!

Rant over. but to me it puts a black eye on winged racing to me. Well supported this would have grown next year in purse throughout the field, Made me want to drive 14 hours to see it next year, NOW THERE MAY BE NO NEXT YEAR. AND SOME OF THE: REAL OUTLAWS WHO ACTUALLY SHOWED UP CAN MAKE ONE THOUSAND ON TWO SEPERAT NIGHTS BY RUNNING THREE LAPS. Run one qual. lap, one heat lap and one feature lap, All because there are not enough to warrent a consi for a 50k race.

Good job usac and the nw guys who went, to reckognize a GOOD THING when it was offered!

seriously? Out staged? They get 5 more cars and it shames wing racing? I'd bet there were more than a couple of those cars who'd never ran NW. And this is a very top heavy purse that was only raised to $10K to win (with the rest of the field staying the same) when they realized the event wasn't gonna be as big as hoped. I'm happy for the non wing guys to get to run for a decent purse but they are their own worst enemy, it's not unheard of having 40-50+ cars for $1500 to win. Hell we have 1 track that pays $500 to win!! And they have a full field. That's unbelievable to me.
I've followed the badlands/ Jackson/Knoxville saga and it seems that the badlands promotor has alienated a number of people he has dealt with and had he been dealing with the NW guys all along he'd likely po'd a few of those as well.

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I don't think a car count can shame one type of racing or not.
The shame comes when the actual racing starts and the real sprintcars put on a show worlds better then the winged cars. Happens 99% of the time.

Originally Posted by Backitin:
I don't think a car count can shame one type of racing or not.
The shame comes when the actual racing starts and the real sprintcars put on a show worlds better then the winged cars. Happens 99% of the time.

I've seen good and not so good (none of it bad) of both, I'm sure most have too.....