Originally Posted by dustbowl:
4 out of the last 5 times I've been it's been rubber down. It's certainly not the tire compound, run the same tire everywhere. It's pretty simple, when you pack dirt down as hard as concrete and never actually turn the track over its going to be dusty, slick, and will likely take rubber, and water isn't going to correct it. hard to run local shows when you destroy a minimum of three tires a night for 1500 to win.

Spot on!
In all fairness to the track prep boss, he also manages the ski slopes just down the road. Now, I don't know a thing about skiing, but my guess is, he packs those slopes down real tight, also. He may have the absolute best prepared slopes in the nation. Unfortunately, that principle makes for some of the worst dirt surface conditions known to rubber.
I wonder if you have to run the same brand ski on each foot at the slopes?; or is it open foot rule? I don't know.

You can bash Dave and his crew all you want but I can't tell you how many times over the years that every track in Indiana has canceled and Dave/crew bust there A$$ to get that track ready to race!!!!

It's not about bashing the point is that if he don't get it figured out and don't care what the racers think they will quit coming and when that happens that track won't last long and from what a lot of racers have been saying local nights won't pull but an average of 15 cars and that's not going to work

Do you really think he doesn't care what the racers think??? There not a promoter in the world that doesn't care what the racers think!!! You got understand that Lawrenceburg got 5 inches of rain in two days before the race. 50 mph winds and thousands of dollars and promoting. If I had to guess he packed the track down so the water would run off. Therefore getting the race in and saving him thousands of dollars!

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Originally Posted by wideopen24:
The track was a joke. There is no excuse for black in the first group of hot laps. Wind or not Lawrenceburg is the only track in the state that takes rubber nearly every night. The pit area wasn't dry and the wind was blowing there too. 10's of thousands of dollars where spent last night and fans had to sit through a complete embarrassment of a race.

So don't go anymore is all I can tell you. Because you were at a race track. You could have been at home on your can watching 2 blowout NCAA Final Four games instead. The conditions were bad and the heats and B were good with all kinds of crazy moves being performed. The feature was not good but it happens sometimes! Races aren't always spot on and conditions are always changing. The guy who adapts the best wins and Saturday night DD did just that. :6::):32:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
I didn't get home till noon the day after LOL.

My review is that the heats and consi were great and my post from another thread came true for the feature

Was also great seeing DD win and continue the streak to 26 straight years of a USAC national win.


My Post from another thread

I also think tracks making mandatory corners or all should have the harder option available. They shouldn't have to go out there knowing for a fact the RR will be gone or it become a race of attrition due to blow outs like the last Bubba race was. Making things last, that's for Champ Cars.

BTW, I don't blame the track at all. he could have put a hour into the track while we were all freezing and it probably wouldn't have changed much the way the wind was. It was still going to be a race between cars until it became a race against the end of tire life.

I suspect had this been a "wing" race the review would have been slightly different.

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Qualifying saw top five cracked several times late into the session.

The heats were epic, Me and another poster looked at each other several times in awe. From Tmez monster two for one slider and battle with Cottle to win. To Leary dogging Stockon attempting a last corner slider and still only coming up a car short. To Boespflug putting on a masterful pass on the silent gasser on the final lap for his win.

A lot goes on we don't see. There were people already leaving due to the cold before the feature started. Who made the call not to rework? USAC or the track? IDK Its Rudy's fault anyway!! Its his fault the optional hard tire wasn't allowed. Its all his fault. I don't know why some promoters keep going? Im just glad they do. I was on the fence about the negativity hurting tracks. Not anymore. Glad I got out of the house for what was for the most part. A awesome show with a difficult second half of the feature.

As for the four ski rule, Guess you didn't notice he's the only one that was going to the four corner rule that after listening to racers changed back to three open.

As for the "If it was a winged show my viewed be different post"
I wouldn't have been there to start with, and they give three tire choices but you must start the feature on the tire you qualified on..

Have fun at the races, Its obvious some of ya can't and like to take pot shots at those who do. Im sure everyone has a after the fact opinion. I just shared my before the fact opinion and get heckled for it.

I point out negatives when they're obvious but try to do it in a constructive way. I think hupp shared his that way and not a bash, But except for the straights I rarely have seen the track locked down into one groove and can count on one hand the nights it was huggy pole features vs the old track being that way every night. Here's my after the fact statement, Should a track rework have been done prior to feature. YES!

If you have facebook. Here's a link to Tmez heat win. If that don't make your hair stand on end. Your not human. Catch the whole show at Loudpedal tv.
https://www.facebook.com/braden.rous...8/?pnref=story

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Well put Charles. We were at a race track for goodness sakes. I wish they would have worked the track but they didn't and that's that. Would it have been better we will never know. Does it matter now not really! In the future we can only hope. On to the next race we go like a real fan does! It's called the past for a reason leave it there! See ya at the races! :):6::32:

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Originally Posted by minispeed:
Do you really think he doesn't care what the racers think??? There not a promoter in the world that doesn't care what the racers think!!! You got understand that Lawrenceburg got 5 inches of rain in two days before the race. 50 mph winds and thousands of dollars and promoting. If I had to guess he packed the track down so the water would run off. Therefore getting the race in and saving him thousands of dollars!

It was a bad track, no doubt about it, but it wasn't from a lack of effort. Drivers adapt to different track conditions and several did that real well Saturday. Not to dispute Charles on his tire conspiaracy, but Fred Flinstone would have worn out his tires on Saturday. I was very impressed with Dallas Hewitt's hard charger award. I thought the heats were great, but once the track got that wide, everyone had to run the bottom. A shout out to Max Mcghee on a top 5 on a tough track. I would not want to see a track like that every race. Congrats to the drivers who rose to the occasion.

I thought they ran the show quickly, and I was kinda glad they didn't bother with the track. I thought I could handle the cold and I was freezing!!! A rework would have taken a long time and I'm not sure it would have helped. I actually found the drama of guys losing tires pretty exciting too! Heck Messeraull came back to like 7th? After going to the tail late? Burg could have easily cancelled, but they didn't. That's why I decided to go. They put the effort, I went to support it. It was a pretty good show!

I'm not complaining that we got to race. I'm okay with how it worked out. Problem is, it's this way more often than it isn't. I'm sorry. You get that much rain and cold temps, and it shouldn't be dead slick hot laps. You shouldn't burn off tires HEAT racing. It wouldn't have mattered if they would have reworked the track. It doesn't matter if it's 40 degrees or 100 anymore it's all the same. I've Been to plenty of 100 degree tracks and been treated to nice surfaces. Stop making excuses. Everyone in this country wants to make all kinds of excuses; you either get it done, or you don't. Stop all the participation trophies. Sprinkling water won't fix it. Turn the track up or buy new dirt. It's a lot different racing than being a fan in the stands. People wouldn't be complaining if this wasn't a trend. It's been this way more often than not for well over two years. Sure you get some nights.There's a lot of potential at the burg. Fantastic facility and there's been many nights where the surface has been terrific. Sadly that fantastic Surface shows itself on a couple months basis. It will lay rubber with 20 cars on a local show more often than it will be decent over the last year.

I wasn't there and for once I'm glad work got in the way. Reading this post there are legit statements made on all sides. After reading them, imo it comes down to weather. I'm absolutely sure that if everyone wasn't freezing their ass off, there would be a lot less negative comments, and they probably would have done some work on the track. At least in my case, freezing wind chills take the fun out of being outside, work or play. As much as I want the season to begin, I almost accept postponement as a better option. Which has got me worried about the forecast for this weekend. Was planning on going both days to midget races but forecast lows for both nights are below freezing. Don't have another weekend off till May, gonna be a tough decision

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Qualifying saw top five cracked several times late into the session.

The heats were epic, Me and another poster looked at each other several times in awe. From Tmez monster two for one slider and battle with Cottle to win. To Leary dogging Stockon attempting a last corner slider and still only coming up a car short. To Boespflug putting on a masterful pass on the silent gasser on the final lap for his win.

A lot goes on we don't see. There were people already leaving due to the cold before the feature started. Who made the call not to rework? USAC or the track? IDK Its Rudy's fault anyway!! Its his fault the optional hard tire wasn't allowed. Its all his fault. I don't know why some promoters keep going? Im just glad they do. I was on the fence about the negativity hurting tracks. Not anymore. Glad I got out of the house for what was for the most part. A awesome show with a difficult second half of the feature.

As for the four ski rule, Guess you didn't notice he's the only one that was going to the four corner rule that after listening to racers changed back to three open.

As for the "If it was a winged show my viewed be different post"
I wouldn't have been there to start with, and they give three tire choices but you must start the feature on the tire you qualified on..

Have fun at the races, Its obvious some of ya can't and like to take pot shots at those who do. Im sure everyone has a after the fact opinion. I just shared my before the fact opinion and get heckled for it.

I point out negatives when they're obvious but try to do it in a constructive way. I think hupp shared his that way and not a bash, But except for the straights I rarely have seen the track locked down into one groove and can count on one hand the nights it was huggy pole features vs the old track being that way every night. Here's my after the fact statement, Should a track rework have been done prior to feature. YES!

If you have facebook. Here's a link to Tmez heat win. If that don't make your hair stand on end. Your not human. Catch the whole show at Loudpedal tv.
https://www.facebook.com/braden.rous...8/?pnref=story

When you say old track I hope you don't mean the old 1/4 mile. I wouldn't say it never took rubber but it never did any night I was there and that was quite a few nites. And it for sure didn't grind off 2,3,4 or 6 tires per nite. Give me the old track any day 10-1 over what's there now.

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Originally Posted by motorhead748:
When you say old track I hope you don't mean the old 1/4 mile. I wouldn't say it never took rubber but it never did any night I was there and that was quite a few nites. And it for sure didn't grind off 2,3,4 or 6 tires per nite. Give me the old track any day 10-1 over what's there now.

So whats the reason we went to some nights with under 500 fans with 35 car fields? It certainly wasn't because it was two groove all night Mel Johnson tacky the last 15 years it existed.

I never missed a race from about 85 to 2014 and caught about seven last year. while it may have ate tires several races, Thats the first I remember massive blow outs due to wear and it started about lap 17

The no rework was most certainly because of the cold and I've also seen the track go mostly all middle or top when it dried out before. I've seen huggy pole maybe three times since it was rebuilt

If you were there you knew how cold it was. How windy? I came home to a condo community where six stop signs are down, every building is missing shingles and some missing some siding and a cracked sliding glass door I've got to eat because a chair on the deck was thrown into it.. So fifteen underwhelming laps of a whole night that was for the most part awesome racing is the least of my problems.

As for he racers, I certainly understand the massive additional cost If you burn up a thousand in tires every night or even every weekend, After 25 weeks the tire bill is more than many weekly racers have in the car. Its no secret though, its in the USAC rule book there is a harder tire option, Which I've learned wasn't really a option unless a team had one already mounted up in the hauler. Still that tire would have made the end of the race.

Should it have been reworked yeah but I think all the fans would have been upset waiting 45 minutes extra, its a lose lose, If it was 70* doing it would have been a no brainer, He messed up, Maybe he should have cancelled in the first place? As others have said, we race more often than not and start on time. I remember last years Sprint Week where it rained off and on all day till about 430, we raced, several shows that it rained at some point in the night and we got it all in.

I for one and am glad they raced, mistakes were made but we have memories from it both good and bad. Six racers that played it smart got decent finishes. DD won for the 24 year straight in USAC National and I got to spend time with family at a race track.

It's not all doom and gloom people. A bad night at the track *Which it wasn't at all for me* is better than a night at home watching the same old same old or a night at work ANY DAY, ANY YEAR.

Have fun.
Chuck

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My sentiments exactly Charles! I agree totally! :6::8:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So whats the reason we went to some nights with under 500 fans with 35 car fields? It certainly wasn't because it was two groove all night Mel Johnson tacky the last 15 years it existed.

I never missed a race from about 85 to 2014 and caught about seven last year. while it may have ate tires several races, Thats the first I remember massive blow outs due to wear and it started about lap 17

The no rework was most certainly because of the cold and I've also seen the track go mostly all middle or top when it dried out before. I've seen huggy pole maybe three times since it was rebuilt

If you were there you knew how cold it was. How windy? I came home to a condo community where six stop signs are down, every building is missing shingles and some missing some siding and a cracked sliding glass door I've got to eat because a chair on the deck was thrown into it.. So fifteen underwhelming laps of a whole night that was for the most part awesome racing is the least of my problems.

As for he racers, I certainly understand the massive additional cost If you burn up a thousand in tires every night or even every weekend, After 25 weeks the tire bill is more than many weekly racers have in the car. Its no secret though, its in the USAC rule book there is a harder tire option, Which I've learned wasn't really a option unless a team had one already mounted up in the hauler. Still that tire would have made the end of the race.

Should it have been reworked yeah but I think all the fans would have been upset waiting 45 minutes extra, its a lose lose, If it was 70* doing it would have been a no brainer, He messed up, Maybe he should have cancelled in the first place? As others have said, we race more often than not and start on time. I remember last years Sprint Week where it rained off and on all day till about 430, we raced, several shows that it rained at some point in the night and we got it all in.

I for one and am glad they raced, mistakes were made but we have memories from it both good and bad. Six racers that played it smart got decent finishes. DD won for the 24 year straight in USAC National and I got to spend time with family at a race track.

It's not all doom and gloom people. A bad night at the track *Which it wasn't at all for me* is better than a night at home watching the same old same old or a night at work ANY DAY, ANY YEAR.

Have fun.
Chuck

I'm not exactly sure your attendance figures are accurate or if they are, the current tracks #'s are similar some nites. Either way I'm glad you like the track and enjoy the product they put forth.
But I'd think someone would ask...why do at least 3 local cars choose to run elsewhere? It's certainly a great facility. Part of the reason is it shreds tires, and they don't have to pop to be junk. 2-3 tires a nite for a weekly purse won't last long. I'm done, I no longer have a dog in the fight.

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Originally Posted by motorhead748:
I'm not exactly sure your attendance figures are accurate or if they are, the current tracks #'s are similar some nites. Either way I'm glad you like the track and enjoy the product they put forth.
But I'd think someone would ask...why do at least 3 local cars choose to run elsewhere? It's certainly a great facility. Part of the reason is it shreds tires, and they don't have to pop to be junk. 2-3 tires a nite for a weekly purse won't last long. I'm done, I no longer have a dog in the fight.

What you don't get is that Im in agreement with you on keeping the track non tire eating.

Back in the dark ages I was in the promoter's shoes, and yes times have changed, chemicals banned, larger track, more horse power, etc. And some things haven't changed, rain, wind, cold, complaining, etc. Until you wear those shows, it is hard to understand the dynamics of preparing a dirt track and promoting races. Keep in mind that the alternative to dirt is asphalt!

Blacki Suede

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
What you don't get is that Im in agreement with you on keeping the track non tire eating.

myself along with all the knowledgeable fans/racers on this board TOTALLY get not wanting to eat tires. The situation is that race track preparation is like walking a tightrope.... Fall off one side and you have dry, dusty , slick. The other way you potentially get fast with a possibility of ruff or a big cushion, either of which can equal crashed race cars. To the current promotors credit he likely does as well with the tracks current configuration as could be expected. And don't get me wrong, I'm not a bullring snob, easily my best races were on big fast 1/2 miles.
Sprint cars are primarily a niche sport supported by primarily blue collar folk both in the stands & pits. This is not central pa or the upper Midwest where tracks routinely pay $5K to win, guys around here mostly race for $1500, with that your lucky if one guy goes home ahead