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Originally Posted by Bradleyracing86: |
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OK guy's ......It's Christmas Time ....Ho Ho Ho.......Just stop with this stuff.......
Prolly got at least 3-4 months before the cars see the light of day .... Ho Ho Ho.........Merry Christmas ......The Visitor |
Originally Posted by rightfootrampage: |
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What I am reading here doesn’t make much sense to me. The driveshaft cars running Ecotec and other automotive engines in the last two seasons were allowed to run aftermarket pistons, cams, valves, etc. And four of the top five cars at the last race were chain drive cars with motorcycle engines? In 2016 aftermarket parts will not be allowed. This looks like the guys who ran Ecotecs, etc. last year are getting screwed. They have to spend a lot of money to build a slower engine to race against the guys who already beat them. This sounds like a deal breaker to me.
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I'm trying to figure out what engine I can use, and I think before I spend another nickel, can someone please tell me what chain I will be able to legally run from the pedals to the rear axle, .219, .35, .41, or is that something I should wait till race time to buy? Just sayin! Bob
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I believe Mr. Davis is on the right track.
I don't believe he's following all the D2 guidlines, but I could be wrong. There's no need for dbl adjustable, remote canister,cockpit adjustable shocks in a spec series, that claims budget racing. I have 20 years invested in budget racing, so I'm pretty damn sure I know exactly what I'm talking about. And my point about chain drives having a distinct advantage on a slick track was proven by a very highly skilled experienced driver at Jacksonville with a car not even legal in the current D2 rules. I didn't say anything untrue. To further my point on chain drive and shaft cars in same division was to throw the word integrity in the face of guys preaching they are protecting it. Most of your true midget guys do not consider a chain drive a midget. |
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You guy's just don't quit do ya !!!!!! Go get a beer , some eggnog , spend a quiet evening with your wife .........GIVE IT A REST !!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by hullracing: |
What you don't seem to understand is it is NOT and has never been a spec racing class
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HO HO HO Santa is coming ........Checking who is Naughty or Nice.....
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Originally Posted by the visitor: |
If it's not a purpose built race engine, most consider it a form of spec racing.
The main point about all this budget racing is being over look. You want a big car count with guys who support the series every week, you have to reduce the weekly cost. You also can't afford to ban cars, there is a proven formula that has worked for every car to race, but in some people's eyes restrictors and tires destroy integrity. |
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Originally Posted by LJC77: |
Don't know about you but my $1000 set of adjustable penskes cost far less than the 40+ standard afcos I have sitting in the trailer for my sprint car....
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Crankin............Your really paying attention !!!!! And Drinking ...you go !!!!!
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OK .....I got one for you ...I any of you are paying attention ....news flash....
The ARDC Midgets are going to let some of the local upright lightning sprints run with them this season.........Can you say car counts !!!!!!! |
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Your talking about 350 hp vs maybe 200 on a good day !!!!!!
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Originally Posted by the visitor: |
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There's not many of us in the area so I don't think it will make much of a difference and maybe only 1 or 2 tracks where we might have a shot .......cant run the bigger tracks with them .....
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Originally Posted by the visitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBn7aF7pKuQ |
What did I learn from watching that? The lead car's an Ecotech and the second car's chain drive?
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Crankin Your post are starting to resemble a PHD Dissertation complete with footnotes.:);) My suggestion would be to look at Montpelier Speedway and watch what they are doing. Not perfect but close enough that everyone racing up there is having fun. They usually have 3 or 4 late model National motors the rest of the field consist of older National Motors, the Ecotec, Focus, Kenyon and Motorcycle chain drive cars. You can usually guess the guy that will finish first, unless Chett shows up with his Ecotec but after 4th or 5th place the race is wide open. Trust me when I say that Chett has something in the performance department and it is not his motor. If the kid had a little money behind him he could win in anything. I made that $400.00 bet with him and lost and I enjoyed every lap of that race. These cars do not belong at Grundy........Keep them on small tracks like Little Salem let it slick off a bit and go have fun racing one another. I hope the promoters start seeing the advantage of making their tracks smaller. There are just not too many Rear Wheel Drive BIG CARS with V8 motors being produced now days and they need to change the track layout to better accommodate the types of cars being produced. Honest Dad himself:6::6: |
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Let me start by saying this post was created to clarify the Focus engine rule in D-2.
Next: Their was 16 people at the table and everyone had a say. We all agreed at the end of the day with what you see is written. Some agreed on something and some disagreed. I was 1 of those, but at the end of the day it was for the betterment of Division II racing. Racing different midget chassis Spike-Eagle-Boss-XXX-Hyper or Lightning Sprints, DLH converted(Triple-X)-Hoosier Speed converted(Triple-X)-Hyper converted(Hyper midget) and Henchcraft strictly Lightning sprint (wish Rick would convert one to a midget). Point is looking at these cars from the stands, you know the ones you need to entainer to get a payout, they all have NO..ZERO "0" clue what engine is in it. I have been racing (SSMS) these together combos together since 2010 down here in the south and I can say it is about a 50/50 deal on which one wins. IT WORKS PERIOD!!!!!!! For all you nay sayers come on down to south Ga. in Feb and see for yourself. We will be having a Race of Champions race on Friday night Feb. 5 for all the Champions of D-2 series and Lightning Sprint series together for 5 laps for $500.00 and the Bragging rights for a year that this driver beat the best in the nation. Last year Northeast DIRT modified racer Josh Sunn took the honers in what was one of the best races of the week. So instead of talking with your fingers get out their and get your racer ready for Feb....ON! (1) racer could leave there with close to $6,000.00 in their pocket....the payout is great and even if you don't make the show you are still looking at $80/$80/$100. I am working to get that to $100 for non qualifiers. |
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Sorry Wayne. I just can't take some of the B.S. that is put on here!
Dad, 1. You are the last person in the world that should have any comment on the length of my post. 2. While my post was basically addressed to a certain person, and anyone else that may care, It wasn't intended for you. Why? Because you can't help yourself from sticking/stirring on every post/opinion on pretty much any subject... And as stated in another thread, your posts/opinions usually do more harm than good (let alone their length). 3. Case in point: Nobody talked about racing at Grundy! It was simply in reference to a person that runs there regularly. But now, thanks to you not reading what was said, I'm sure the rumors will start that POWRI/USAC D2 will be running Grundy. Crankin: IOW member since 7-9-07. Total # of posts=587 DAD: IOW member since 8-11-09. Total # of posts=5,281 PLEASE just go work on your car, or something, read a book, build a model, watch TV, He!!, do anything else, please! |
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Originally Posted by Crankin: |
Did we just become best friends, Crankin?
Someone needs to take his keyboard away already.... Or be mandated to preface all of his posts with "iow official sh*t stirrer, disregard what you are about to read" |
Funny how you think you know who you are talking to, but if you have issues with my brother you better take it up with him.
I still plan on putting my helmet on next year, just not sure where, as D2 has outlawed my equipment. You want actual #s. OK here you go Current cars not D2 compliant as left the track in '15. #54t,#21a, #0, #27, #6, #5d, #5, #77, #51, #17, #21, #53 That's the ones I can think of off the top of my head, there may be a few others. As far as car count #s down in IRS, here's 2 answers for you, one a few guys went to the spin off series, two some people do not like certain people in the club. Yes was told that point blank, no I will not name names. As someone who has struggled to get to the track each week I know exactly the cost of getting to the track is. I'll lay it out for you since you think I'm lieing. Fuel $50, pit pass $30, food $10, fuel for car $20. Grand total out of my pocket door to door was on average $110. When I had my sht together I was a top 3 car, start pay was $100-$125 depending on car count. My grade school math says I just raced competitively for less than $100. Now in the new D2 series, the majority cars will most likely hang 2 tires, roughly $300, for start pay of $50. Haven't even got to travel and your already $250 in the hole. Most guys you want to support a "budget"series can't afford that. In the last 2 years I made about 20 races, I bought 1 tire at $120 in those 2 years, and still was competitive due to the IRS proven formula. Mr. Spencer produced a series that allowed and midget to compete with any power plant competitively. I proved it with running a VW and a 2.0L stock honda. The integrity issues come from people pointing the finger at IRS saying they are not real midgets on dot tires and running restrictors. I gave you examples how misconstrued from the truth that was with comparing late models running with midgets, like chains and shafts. If you cry integrity and are a true midget guy, you obviously are contradicting yourself. Now Mr. Spencer formed a proven formula that any midget, with any power plant can race and compete competitively, so D2 comes along and slaps those guys in the face and outlaws thier equipment. He is getting older and can not do this forever, and no one wants to step up and continue the proven formula due to thier own personal interpretation to they way it "should" be. I work 7 days a week just so I can go racing, so I'm not in any position to step in for him, but for those guys like me who rely on people like Laverne for an affordable place to race just stuck it up our back side. OK so you quote me on a pissed off night when I express my opinion on something I bleed and sweat for, here's my middle finger to that. I don't take pleasure in other pounding thier chest telling everyone they have a better formula when I know it's just a bunch of sugar coated BS. Don't tell a broke guy you have an affordable package, then force him to spend more $. Lamont Critchett 2007 IRS Champion I have nothing to hide because I have nothing to gain. |
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Crankin
That was supposed to be a complement. If you have a problem with what I am saying just don't read it, I agree with some things you are saying and other things I do not agree with you. That is a good thing. I also agree that both of us have the right to disagree with one another so long as we live in the USA. Maybe you should try doing this in your user cp : ignore List xoxide Check / Uncheck All Add a Member to Your List... To remove a user from your ignore list, un-check the box associated with their name and click the 'Save Changes' button. To add a user to the list, enter their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay'. Honest Dad himself:6::6: |
I would rather be able to call you out on your BS rather than ignoring your posts that way no other impressionable souls fall victim to you.
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I notice your afraid to show your face.
If you are who I think you are you are the last person to point a finger at anyone, and now I understand the issue with my brother, and no he speaks for himself. Living in indiana, I had some of the furthest travels in our club. And just because I work 7 days a week doesn't mean I don't have time to keep an eye on a sport I'm passionate about. And yes on other boards there was bashing of integrity towards the IRS. And yes I did on other sites post my thoughts with what happened in the badger series. Outlawing your champion doesn't look good from the outside, especially when there is a way not to ban thier equipment. #51 Anderson, national engine, not D2 compliant #54t Teer, 2.0L honda, not D2 compliant #27 myself, 2.0L honda not D2 compliant #77 myself VW not D2 compliant #21 mayhew, badger K2.4L not D2 compliant #21A Shreffler ford not D2 compliant #5 Murphy badger Chevy not D2 compliant #5d Dragmisters, 3 different cars, national quad 4 and honda, not D2 compliant #53 Shuck Badger Chevy not D2 compliant #6 was to be Borman K24A4 not D2 compliant #17 had 2 drivers, Built 2.2 chevy nor D2 compliant. I never claimed to have built or took credit for the success of The IRS. I said I was one of the guys who supported the series week in and week out so guys like you had a place to race and create your business. So if this is Mr MWR you obviously have an agenda to sell chevys. But like I said a man in your position might want to keep his mouth shut, for a number of reasons. Truth always has a way of coming out in the end. Just because you were at the meeting doesn't make you special. Not to many people believe the fluff you dish out. |
Can't wait for our first face to face meeting, please come looking for me. You say you don't know me or my brother, but you sure do talk a lot of smack about both of us, you knew he retired and he speaks for both of us.
Funny stuff. You also know alot of info about a club you never competed in. Yet you twist facts to make your point look better to others. Im done correcting your misinformed information about the cars in IRS. Good luck in 16, hope it works out for you guys. And yes $50 start money was released, HTF would I know that if it wasnt? Don't hide behind the truth. |
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Ridiculous message board whining/moaning aside, I urge the people that are interested in going D2 racing to carry on with that plan... Especially in the Illinois area (not to mention Indiana and Florida), there is going to be a ton opportunities between POWRi/ILLINI and IMRA/USAC!! It's going to be a good deal, besides what any of the message board genius's have to say.
A lot of good people put a lot of work into this, and again, besides what the message board peeps say, there was no special interest involved. EVERYONE is working for the betterment of the sport for the fans, drivers, owners, and promoters! We will keep working and researching putting the best product possible on the track. I think LaVerne Spencer said it best a long time ago: Winning with talent, not money. We will do our best to live by that motto. There are some that say this won't compete with that, and that will be faster than the other... Well before the cars have hit the track. My personal opinion is (in other words just speaking for myself) that we are not looking for any particular engine to have an advantage (kind of along the lines of the old Focus deal). Even though it can't be stopped, I am hoping (stupid, I know) for a series that nobody has a mechanical advantage. We want drivers to win with talent, and owners/mechanics to win with set up.... There already is a series that people can research, and/or spend their way to a mechanical advantage. It called National Midgets... Or hiring Keith Kunz. :) Can this be achieved? It's going to be tough. But if we get enough people on the same agenda, that see the possibilities of fantastic close racing, and having fun (remember that part?). Bringing in new people to the sport learning the mechanics of making a car work without just adding horsepower. New drivers learning to race in close competition, as well as veterans out having a good time (while helping the newbies), it can be nothing but good for all!! I know, pipedream. But it doesn't hurt to try! ;) PM if you have any questions. Thanks |
It just dawned on me crankn who you really are.
It's funny you pull the post off here that had your name attached to it. Say something you shouldn't have? I'll admit making mistakes, like thinking you were mwr, or overlooking the quad 4 eligibility. But nothing else I said was inaccurate. The national cars you dismiss we not dismissed by the IRS. As far as agendas go, why don't you come out here n tell everyone about the letter you sent the IRS? Yea no chest pounding there, no bashing there either. Tell everyone the excellent job you did with the focus series, a series started after the IRS, and vanished long before the IRS. Tell everyone the dollar amount you asked for for your services? A job that was done for 24 years with a free pit pass. Yep no agenda there. Tell everyone how you think a series can't survive on a dot tire, but did for 24 years. And why is that? Safety? Integrity? Or someone needs to sell tires? I heard exactly what Mr. Kenny Brown told Laverne 2 years ago at sun prairie, I was standing there. "Don't change a thing you guys are doing, especially the tires" So don't come out here and try to sell your bull crap to the public, cause I'm not buying it you lieing fool. Like I said don't hide behind the truth, it always has a way of coming out. |
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A prime example of you cant fix stupid. Or paranoia either. I pulled my posts because anybody with any intelligence can see what a fool you are. What part of LaVerne, as well as another IRS board member were just a big a part of this, as everyone else, can you not comprehend??? Seems to me, you should be whining to them, not me. Oh wait, i know, it was all a big deceitful conspiracy performed by little ole me. :). What a joke. As far as the focus thing (here i go gettin sucked in again), that statement paints the clearest picture of all on how truly out of touch you are. I got sucked into your constant bashing of D2, and found myself posting things on your level. Didn't matter though, you just kept, and keep living in your little "everything is a conspiracy world". ... And keep posting things for which you know absolutely nothing about.... Even though you think you do. So please just get a life, get a hobby, and take up your completely lame arguments on how somehow, D2 managed to obsolete your VW. News flash: other than indoors the VW powered midget has been obsolete for decades (no disrespect intended to any VW owners). And your argument that running all the different engines with restrictors has waned in popularity. Not an opinion, just fact based on dwindling car counts in IRS. Not sure how else to spell it out for you, and it's obvious there is no getting through to you either. So i will get back to all my hidden agendas, and reap the fortunes that all my evil plans will bring, from D2 midget racing. Merry fu^*in Christmas |
I suppose now would not be a good time to bring up a plane crank D2 engine, right! Thanks! Bob
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I'm done with all this salesman talk.
If you want to talk about it face to face Im right up the road from you at drivetime 40th and Lafayette road loading an orange semi with my name on the door, if that doesn't work, I'm down here Monday wensday Friday everyweek. D2 Concept is fine, good idea, get everyone on the same page, but it could have been done so no car was banned, my only point to all this nonsense period. End of story. |
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