Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike:
I am not saying a f-cking thing this time. I am just getting out of the way.

Ha!

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I was at Williams Grove the day of the winged USAC sprint show was to be run. Rain and as cold as I ever remember at the Grove for that time of the year. Driver Barry Camp was talking to some other race people about the weather and what impressed me was him saying that if he was a cement contractor there would be no way he would pour "footers" in this type of weather and here we are trying to run a race in these conditions. He also said the promoter was either very loyal to racers or very nuts, he just was not sure which. I also remember seeing Steve Buttler, Rich Vogler, and one other USAC car and about 15-18 PA cars in the pits, and NOBODY in the stands. Needless to say everyone was glad they pulled the plug soon after. Not sure about the Lincoln deal as I was working an URC show that day and I don't know if it was rain or the sanction was pulled, but I know they did not race.

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Has anyone bothered to confirm that Davey is out? There's a news release on USACRACING.com on the King of the Wing West Coast swing that was just posted yesterday, and there are KOW and Auto Value Sprint schedules as subheadings under AMSOIL Sprint Car...

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Originally Posted by jjones752:
Has anyone bothered to confirm that Davey is out? There's a news release on USACRACING.com on the King of the Wing West Coast swing that was just posted yesterday, and there are KOW and Auto Value Sprint schedules as subheadings under AMSOIL Sprint Car...

http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...sac-part-ways/

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.co...sac-part-ways/

Thanks Charles; that's the first official notification I've seen. When was it published?
The article goes on to say that Davey will retain the KOW series as a separate entity. Odd that USAC would continue to post KOW updates as recently as yesterday.

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It was posted earlier in this thread. :)

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My bad; I guess I checked out between pages 2 and 5...

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While we are at it, lets make sure that we blame USAC for world hunger and the political unrest in the Middle East.

If it truly is a "club" then why don't the owners vote Kevin Miller out?

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I have been watching, participating, and former member of USAC since it's inception. And seen them shot themselves in the foot year after year, but never anything as bad as the Miller era.

So really what would it take to oust Miller? Just the thought of him sucking in $500g's a year while the USAC teams race all summer for a championship that pays 10 grand makes me want to puke...

Anyone remember who gave a glowing review and thumbs up to the hiring of KM?

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Isn't it funny how the internet works. Someone posts something, people repeat it over & over, and it becomes fact. It doesn't matter if it was the truth or not, it is now accepted as the truth.

The truth is that USAC has been drowning under the watch of KM,and you can't deny that ! Like SHAMROCKRACIN said it makes me want to puke !! Not sure what it going to take , but there's got to be a change in leadership !! DAVEY for CEO of USAC ! Or at least someone who knows a thing or two about good ole a$$ kickin grass roots racin'.

It's sad to say but business today devalues leaders with relevant experience, instead choosing marketers or corporate goons to steer the ship. If your local fire dept was ran like modern biz, you'd have 5 guys on a truck- CEO, CFO, and Executive VP, all callin the shots----and 2 guys who know how to actually fight a fire...(guys w relevant experience)...when my house burns I want 5 guys who started at the bottom, trained for the job and I want the 20 yr veteran calling the shots, not some guy who made his name marketing fax machines...I value the school of hard knocks, if you will...if Mr Miller is as passionate about USAC as many on here are, he's welcome to log in to iow and explain....for those who wanna say he doesn't owe me an explanation, well---he actually does because as a racer/fan/sponsor I help pay his salary...without me he may have to apply for CEO of some other non related industry because apparently Relevant Experience is not required...

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:44::44:

If a trained monkey in a Bell Hop Uniform riding a mini bike could bring in more sponsorship money....it would be in charge.

Why would USAC get rid of someone who brings in $$$$? As I am aware and I could be wrong....he has a base salary that has not changed and works on commission. The more $ he finds the more $ he gets

The disconnect is that the racing is used as the sales pitch....but the sponsorship $ and what have you is used to pay overhead and I would imagine prop up shows that are marginal on getting done.

If USAC has been screwed up for 40 plus years or what have you and it's had numerous different faces in charge during that time....at some point you have to start thinking that who the people think is in charge and what their job directive is....isn't what you think it is.

It's not about the racing.

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Originally Posted by Sandy Lowe:
Isn't it funny how the internet works. Someone posts something, people repeat it over & over, and it becomes fact. It doesn't matter if it was the truth or not, it is now accepted as the truth.

sounds exactly like the democratic party to me lol:8:

Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
If a trained monkey in a Bell Hop Uniform riding a mini bike could bring in more sponsorship money....it would be in charge.

Why would USAC get rid of someone who brings in $$$$? As I am aware and I could be wrong....he has a base salary that has not changed and works on commission. The more $ he finds the more $ he gets

The disconnect is that the racing is used as the sales pitch....but the sponsorship $ and what have you is used to pay overhead and I would imagine prop up shows that are marginal on getting done.

If USAC has been screwed up for 40 plus years or what have you and it's had numerous different faces in charge during that time....at some point you have to start thinking that who the people think is in charge and what their job directive is....isn't what you think it is.

It's not about the racing.

SPOT ON! Thank you!

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
If a trained monkey in a Bell Hop Uniform riding a mini bike could bring in more sponsorship money....it would be in charge.

Why would USAC get rid of someone who brings in $$$$? As I am aware and I could be wrong....he has a base salary that has not changed and works on commission. The more $ he finds the more $ he gets

The disconnect is that the racing is used as the sales pitch....but the sponsorship $ and what have you is used to pay overhead and I would imagine prop up shows that are marginal on getting done.

If USAC has been screwed up for 40 plus years or what have you and it's had numerous different faces in charge during that time....at some point you have to start thinking that who the people think is in charge and what their job directive is....isn't what you think it is.

It's not about the racing.

This is a good response. The folks @ Leaders Edge have involvement in most of the USAC racing circles. It might be product, advice, or business aspect of it, they know. :32:

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[QUOTE=ShamrockRacin'48G;416235]So really what would it take to oust Miller?

Good damn question. But is the problem just Miller or the whole USAC organization? Or Both?? He does bring $$ to USAC, and many people ??? where it goes. Who can answer that?? Does it go to purses for races, employee expenses, advertising( ha ha) or where? There are some damn smart people on this board that know alot and can answer alot of questions when it comes to this, if they want to.:deadhorse:

I was gonna post a stupid comment saying that Davey probably didn't know anything about snowmobiles, but that's not true as I know him and his father rode them considerably!

Maybe just way too much racing and common sense were a theat to Kevin's stupidity. Anyone that thinks USAC is in even decent shape has lost their mind. If an individual is ruining it (which I agree with) too bad an individual couldn't own the series. A certain individual comes to mind, seems he makes everything he owns successful.

Greed has killed a lot more than racing, just happens to be something MOST of us care about. And how's that pavement deal working out for the USAC die yards? Impressive.

USAC die hards. D*** spell check.

I have to say though....why is everyone so concerned about changing things? If you own a car and they have races you want to race.....go race them. If they have a race and have cars and drivers you want to go see.....go see them.

Concerns of wanting something to be what it was or having a better future than present day are futile exercises.

Either support it or don't and it will take of itself from there.

I too have ranted and raved.....it's a pointless exercise. It causes you to not enjoy what is happening today. I don't agree with everything....but I vote for or against it by either supporting or not supporting.

Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
I have to say though....why is everyone so concerned about changing things? If you own a car and they have races you want to race.....go race them. If they have a race and have cars and drivers you want to go see.....go see them.

Concerns of wanting something to be what it was or having a better future than present day are futile exercises.

Either support it or don't and it will take of itself from there.

I too have ranted and raved.....it's a pointless exercise. It causes you to not enjoy what is happening today. I don't agree with everything....but I vote for or against it by either supporting or not supporting.

Again, SPOT ON! Thank you!
I personally do go and still support the racers, racetracks, promoters, and unfortunately, USAC. I care about the racers, owners, (I'm both) and our investments, our hobby, basically our lifestyle. I love open wheel racing and will always go race, go to watch and support.

But on this board, for the future of our loved sport, I voice my opinion to try to insure we will have it to love in the future. It's very disappointing to me to see such a historical body killing itself with greed.

Originally Posted by Chase Hightower:
I was gonna post a stupid comment saying that Davey probably didn't know anything about snowmobiles, but that's not true as I know him and his father rode them considerably!

Maybe just way too much racing and common sense were a theat to Kevin's stupidity. Anyone that thinks USAC is in even decent shape has lost their mind. If an individual is ruining it (which I agree with) too bad an individual couldn't own the series. A certain individual comes to mind, seems he makes everything he owns successful.

Greed has killed a lot more than racing, just happens to be something MOST of us care about. And how's that pavement deal working out for the USAC die yards? Impressive.

I made a comment on this a couple months ago and it said " go smoke " . I love usac racing and wish the best for the organization. Tony Stewart has done a great job for all the racing teams and fans. I know that he has his hands full with nascrap, Eldora, all stars, and all the other things that he has his hands in but one thing about that is he is surrounded by some great racing people that love racing and given some time I would love to see him get back the sport that made him and his organization the same thing that usac racing teams and racing family deserves. Just thinking that in time that it would be great to see what would he do with the sport that we all love.

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Maybe someone with as much passion as Smoke is waiting in the wings?

Why do you think it is that Smokes cars are no longer racing USAC?

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Originally Posted by team3521:
Why do you think it is that Smokes cars are no longer racing USAC?

Exactly. Smoke is a very smart business man and has a great group of individuals with his group. They do not do anything without a bunch of due diligence. They are very smart and methodical. I say if the USAC thing could be saved he would have stepped in. I know he loves the non wing. However, it is a business for him and his group. So he went to where his money told him to go. Sad, but that is the way the world turns now.

I think if someone could support it both in time and money. It would be a well supported idea to have a new group come out and be for the racers. That is why I try to support the BOSS and the MSCS as much as possible. They are for the racers and Aaron Fry with the BOSS series could give USAC a damn college course on how to run a show.. I have mad respect for him and his group.

Just wish it could go back to the 80's and 90's. Thursday Night Thunder and the "DO & the King show"!. Rumor has it one of them is coming back. I am excited to see and hear it upon it's return.

Wooooo.. Racing!!

:22::35:

[QUOTE=LEADERS EDGE;416237]Anyone remember who gave a glowing review and thumbs up to the hiring of KM?[/

The answer to this question will leave some here disillusioned.

I remember seeing and hearing many many folks on this board and at tracks calling for change at USAC just before KM was brought in.......

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I have been reading this, and don't understand some of the comments. I can understand why some do not like Miller, but I can see some bright spots. He took over when the Silver Crown cars went through a failed experiment with the new cars. I am not faulting the people before him as they were in a tough spot trying to grow the series. After several tough years it appears they are finally turning the corner, and that to me at least, seems like a good thing.
Sprint cars are running more races than they have since the 1970's. The quality and quantity of the field have been excellent.
Midgets continue to be on the decline, as they are everywhere. I don't see growth in any series right now. I don't know if anyone can save it and turn it around quickly.
Pavement is another thing. USAC has gotten away from with the sprints and midgets, but that also seems to be a trend beyond USAC. I went to Anderson for a Must See race the Wednesday before the Little 500 and they only had 14 cars, despite more than 35 running the next day. Not too many years ago their car counts were pretty good. I think that for whatever reason people are going away from pavement. I hate it. To me there is nothing better than USAC sprint cars at Winchester. I remember a few years ago when ASA, Artgo, and many other traveling stock car series flourished, but now the only one that seems strong is the CRA group. Can a supermodified full field be found outside Oswego? I hope this trend changes, but thinks is beyond just a USAC problem.
Like most things in life, it could be better, but it could also be worse.

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Now don't shoot the messenger, but I intercepted a website the other day, called "Noggle's Goggle's", that if you look thru it a bit, you'll find some info on USAC, truth?, I don't know, but it might be a light into some truth, just sayin! Bob

Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
Anyone remember who gave a glowing review and thumbs up to the hiring of KM?

I'd still really like to hear the answer. Please?

Originally Posted by team3521:
I'd still really like to hear the answer. Please?

Keith...?!