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Also, here is the link to Knoxville's Schedule: http://www.knoxvilleraceway.com/Schedule.aspx I see their next event is Monster Jam on September 20/21. How dare they have that instead of a Silver Crown race that day. Oh wait Eldora has a Silver Crown race that day. Hmm, can't race two places at once. Also, the endure they ran wasn't just a recent thing. That event is in it's 28th year. Lets see 2013-28 = 1985. I guess the Silver Crown series has been faltering since 1985 according to the experts" around here since Knoxville wouldn't dump their endure and run a Crown series race.
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Originally Posted by ossuks: #65 Last Owner Chuck Hartenstine #71 Owner Tobin Whitt |
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Originally Posted by mr nobody: If you want me to quit commenting on this topic, quit having topics that are not based on reality. :deadhorse: |
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I think a big part of the problem is a thread like this. I was at Springfield and even though there wasn't a lot of cars, it was a good race. I was unable to go to Duquoin, but from all accounts the on track action was good. Then 2 weeks later a disgruntled ex employee wants to sacrifice the teams and promoter to take shots at his former employer. Does any one think one word of this thread will help in any way? The best way to help this series is to buy a ticket. The more people in the stands, the more tracks that will want shows. The more shows, the more teams and sponsors that will want to be involved. Finger pointing and name calling will do nothing. See anyone who cares at Eldora.
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I enjoyed the Champ Dirt car races at Knoxville but attendance was not good.
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How about starting a post for Silver Crown car owners only asking this simple question...
Silver Crown owners - what would it take to get your car out of the garage and into the pit area? Realistic answers only And then someone take those answers and do something about it. Want to try another PRA type series - try it, but good luck. As with what has happened in other series, you will get scheduled against intentionally. It doesn't help anyone or any series to sit on here and complain about what everyone has done wrong. Yep, a lot of mistakes were made, but as a car owner you have to decide...do you want to keep sitting out until your series is completely gone or do you want to suck it up and try to fix it before it's too late. I don't own a car, but I have ran a racing series and promoted races. Wouldn't mind owning a car but not to run 6-7 races, really can't justify that...and I think others feel the same. And as a promoter you can't justify scheduling a race for 12-18 cars showing up an have to pay out a $40K plus purse. |
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Originally Posted by Jonr: I feel the exact same way you do on this subject. Not to start a war with racephoto1, but the way you constantly slam USAC, if I was an official the only way you'd gain entrance to a USAC event is with a paid ticket. Jim Fisher |
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This all comes back to the chicken or the egg. Jonr and fish, you make logical points but it has got to that through poor decisions,rule changes poor track prep etc we arent making a point on why crown should stay under existing conditions, our argument is that it can work under good promotion, more owners happy= more cars = more top driver opportunity= more fans= more sponsors= more purse= more excitement = new owners and new fans. You can pick this apart if you want, not saying its perfect but there is a product here if someone can build it, these cars have the ability to race but they need a full field to add to less spread out, more risk for reward and lap traffic to make a race out of it , give me one season of miles with 35 starters each race and even you would be a fan
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Don't forget that greed, self agendas, and hard headedness have also greatly contributed.
Have any car owners who have cars sitting in their shops that have not been out for at least one year, received any phone calls from the series stating, "we screwed up, how can I fix this for you? What do you need to bring your car back out?" This most definitely can be fixed if the intentions are to benefit racers and not benefit some greedy person on charge with dirty motives. Serious question am feel free to pm or email me the answer. What is the cost to a promoter to put on a SC race? Not the purse money paid out, what is the total cost? |
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Getting in this same old argument is fruitless. But I guess my thinking is that we live in a free enterprise system. Not sticking up for USAC, just saying if someone could do it better and make money doing it seems like they would have by now.
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By the way Fisher, I do(Sorry to burst your bubble there Fisher and Funk), I put my money where my mouth is. I just wish someone on 16th street, who cared for the racing, not just the cash ran the show there now. Maybe I'm a cranky old man, but I started working on USAC sprint cars in 1977, Champ Dirt cars in 1978. I've been around a while, and yes I'm mad at USAC, call it bashing if you will. But having seen what it was, and to watch it fall to the level it has pi$$e$ me off.
Yes, I know they can't be blamed for all the problems in racing, but when you have an exclusive product, which they do with Silver Crown, and then try to pi$$ it away is beyond me. In 2011 28 cars were at DuQuoin, in 2013 15 took the green . It isn't the economy that did that, it was the Ignite move. The way it seems is that if it ain't broken, don't fix it . Too bad USAC doesn't understand that. Call me an old fool if you will , I'll always be a Dirt Champ Car fan first and foremost. It just doesn't mean I have to be a fan of the organization that is trying to kill them. |
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Still have never gotten a thank you or a handshake for coming, never met Kevin Miller 11 career events and counting
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One other thing, with a view count of over 4600, someone's interested in Silver Crown. Go to Eldora viewers and prove it.:6:
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Originally Posted by groove grabber: During the 90s midget racing in the Midwest was dying off. We got down to about 10 races a year and had to beg for those. What I can tell you is that my mom never quit call drivers, owners, fans, sponsors, and promoters trying to find out what everyone needed to get this to work. After a few years things picked back up because someone with no personal motives other than the love of racing, made some phone calls and made people feel like they were wanted and needed at the races. A little bit of appreciation goes a helluva long ways. |
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Originally Posted by Smeents: steiny :32: |
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Originally Posted by racephoto1: Chris, I know you've put your heart & soul into auto racing and have done that for years. You're also a darn good photographer. That's why I have respect for views and I imagine others on here feel the same way. You have earned a right to have an opinion. I won't dispute that. On the other hand, I've known you for years. It isn't a matter of age. I would guess when you started working on USAC champs cars in 1978 you were ranting about the series then. I personally listened to you go on regarding digital photography for years. You were the last one to change, then sang the praises of digital photography as if you invented it. |
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I really hate getting sucked into this mess but here I am. I think whats being missed here is a multitude of issues which have come home to roost. Yes there have been some pretty bad decisions when managing this series, yes the demographic of the SC fan is probably 60+ years old, yes the purses have not increased many years. I could go on and on. But there needs to be a concerted effort to get these owners together and get this thing figured out, and soon. Its really unfair to the promoter to take all his hard work and reward him with a 15 car show. Trust me, that wont last long. There needs to be a plan, a real plan. Bob Jenkins is great, but reality is he will not put fans in the stands. Full fields and good racing will. How about we start by raising the start money from $700 to $1000. Try to get some of these races on NBC sports or one of those new sports cable channels looking for things to broadcast, etc...Trust needs to be reestablished between the sanction and the car owner. Lets get this thing figured out fellas, because we are near the point of no return and this once great series could soon be nothing more than a memory.
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Seem to me when you do dumb stuff like get in bed with NASCAR with the hybrid cars get in bed with Toyota and ethanol and end up running all the old school guys like Galen Fox out, you got trouble. I say all cars should have a minimum sq. ft of upholstery and a min. number of chrome snaps as well as all radius rods and nerf bars be chromed. Bonus points if your driver doesn't have power steering. I liked it the way it was. I just don't want to lose the miles.
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Question: who is the one or two men out there that generally speaking the Silver Crown owners respect? Who is that could throw a dinner meeting for Silver Crown owners and try to lead to a consensus? Then get Sargent and USAC in a room and say "here is what we want to do to resurrect this series.
The fans are there guys.... I saw tons of twenty somethings in the turn 1 grandstand at DuQuoin the other night. Problem was just that there weren't many cars on the track |
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Have any car owners who have cars sitting in their shops that have not been out for at least one year, received any phone calls from the series stating, "we screwed up, how can I fix this for you? What do you need to bring your car back out?" QUOTE] That statement right there is what I've wondered about the last 5 years or so. Have former competitors been asked why they don't compete anymore? To me, that's the easiest thing to do to figure out what the issues are. I remember seeing a press release earlier in the year that sort of sounded like some talks occurred, but it hasn't done much it seems. I used to go to Richmond for the IndyCar/USAC double. The last year before they changed pavement chassis, there were 35-40 cars. The next year there were 10-12 cars. I remember thinking at the time it was really going to hurt...not sure it will ever recover from that. To me, those who don't participate any longer need to be polled for reasons why they don't compete any longer...that gives you a list to work from. |
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There is only one person that I know of who shakes hands before a race, and does it at all of them, Bob Sargeant. There may be others, but he's the one I know. He has sure put a lot of skin in this game, question is how much skin does he have left ?
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As with most problems, you don't start recovery until you hit the bottom and admit there is a problem that must be addressed. I think USAC is still in denial.
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A Silver outing for USAC: Series shows Silver Crown speedway cars
AUTOWEEK Published Date: 10/24/05 : www.autoweek.com The U.S. Auto Club showed the public its first two new Silver Crown speedway cars at Kansas Speedway, but the 10-lap exhibition left a lot to be desired. There were only two cars at Kansas, and only two more have been ordered. The series, which averaged 41.6 cars on its five pavement tracks in 2005, is set to start with the controversial new cars Jan. 21-22, 2006, at the Copper World Classic in Phoenix. There has been considerable opposition to the program backed by former NASCAR chairman Bill France Jr., who wants the Silver Crown division to race on his larger tracks, such as Kansas, Chicagoland and Homestead. Critics argue the cars will be too fast, too dangerous and too expensive, particularly in light of the cars that have been good enough in the past to produce such stars as Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart and Ryan Newman, all former champions. “I’m worried because I’ve raced with these people my whole life,” said Bob East, the most successful car builder in USAC’s modern era. “They are stepping over their danger line here.” USAC president Rollie Helmling, a former car owner who fielded Gordon, said this car should be safer because of the narrower rear tires, crushable side pieces and protection over the front wheels that will keep cars from climbing over one another. Corner speeds at Kansas reached 140 mph in a recent tire test, and Helmling said the straightaway speed of 188 mph is only 20 mph faster than the existing cars traveled at Gateway International Raceway outside St. Louis. “But what’s going to happen when guys start racing each other?” East said. USAC made the decision to change the cars based on small crowds, difficulty attracting sponsors and low race purses. If France is right, the larger tracks will be able to afford higher sanctioning fees and expose the drivers on a brighter stage. “For us, it’s the major leagues,” Helmling said. |
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Press release from 2005.
Richmond, VA - There has been much speculation about the reasoning behind USAC’s move to the new Silver Crown car that was introduced at the Performance Racing Industry trade show this past winter. Some stories circulating have gone as far as to say this is the beginning of USAC being bought out by or assimilated in to NASCAR. With Bill France, Jr. in attendance for the big USAC television announcement today, the opportunity was ripe for clearing the air on a few issues. The Vice Chairman of NASCAR and Chairman of International Speedway Corporation spoke frankly with USAC Live on several issues. France addressed the NASCAR relationship early in the conversation. While he has obvious ties to both companies, his position was that this was very much an ISC initiative. “This is not so much NASCAR related but ISC,” noted France. “ISC is in the racing business and NASCAR can only provide you with so much product that you can sell tickets for, sponsorships, what have you.” The prevailing sentiment was that ISC needed more product and they were faced with several options. The most attractive, and probably least time consuming for ISC, looked to be to help develop the current USAC Silver Crown product in to a Series that could perform at more of their venues. “Do you start something brand new or take something with all the history behind it and try to expand it a little bit? They are running now up to the mile tracks,” commented France. Currently the Silver Crown Series competes at two ISC tracks, Phoenix and Richmond, down from three in previous years when they also ran the now shuttered Nazareth Speedway. He continued, “With the new car and the SAFER walls, we can grow the Silver Crown Series up. It has a great name and we are going to go from there with it.” The luke warm reception to the new direction of the Silver Crown Series had some people questioning whether or not USAC would go through with implementing the newly designed car in 2006. This idea was roundly shot down. “We’ve got a commitment to the series and the car. If we have three cars or two cars we are going to run it and grow it. It may be exhibition races, we aren’t going to charge if we have three cars out there.” When questioned further about the lack of activity from the current crop of Silver Crown owners, France showed concern but remained steadfast in his commitment. “If there is a slowness with some owners who want to sit and wait to see how it is going to work and that sort of thing, that may be. But we are going to kick this thing off with a big push and we are going to continue to run them. We can afford to do it and we are going to do just that.” Arguably the most powerful man in American Motorsports, France was quick to remind the level of success that the Grand American Road Racing Series has achieved in relatively short order. “Anybody that paid attention to our sports cars series knows that we started off with just a few of the cars, the Daytona Prototypes, and now we have grown that to about 25 cars at every race now. It has taken a couple of years but we are prepared to do what we need to do. From all indications, the new car is going to be part of USAC’s future. Whether or not the pit area resembles the current one in terms of car owners and drivers seems to be the only question at the moment. Big Frown |
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With sprints and midgets, there are multiple sanctioning bodies that run similar rules. Silver Crown only has one sanctioning body. Maybe its time for another sanctioning body (POWRi?) to come in and try to work with the owners, drivers, promoters, tracks, and fans to put on quality shows that work for everyone. The way things are right now doesn't seem very sustainable. This would all be different if there simply weren't enough cars to fill the field but the fact of the matter is that there are more than enough and it just a shame to waste them all.
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From 2007....
https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/sho...ge=4&styleid=1 |
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I wonder about Powri as well
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Yeah, if only people like mr nobody actually went and bought a ticket, things might not be so dire.
The better question is, will there be any new owner ever want to join this series again? I'm talking someone who had never seen it before, who didn't grow up with it. Every "newbie" I know who has gone to see a Silver Crown race in the last ten years generally has an opinion somewhere between "This sucks" and "Yeah, that was okay, now let's go watch sprint cars or midgets next time." |
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@ this point , it looks like the only way The Big Cars will survive/thrive is if the Dirt Miles running Silver Crown Cars get put back on the IndyCar sked
If Kevin Miller/Mark Miles @ company do not see the promotional possibilities in this given NastyCars rediscovery of dirt racing & the spark it gave the truckers . Miles said you can not do the same things over & over & hope for a different result IndyCar & Silver Crown @ present are not working & Dirt Racing on the IndyCar sked is a game changer ! |
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Didn't Gulick have one for a year or so, Maybe 2009?
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So whats it going to take to some of these owners with dirt cars to bring them to eldora for the 4crown?
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MINIMUM SILVER CROWN PURSE INCREASE FOR ELDORA
TRAXXAS USAC Silver Crown participants in the September 21 “4-Crown Nationals” at Eldora Speedway in Rossburg, Ohio will be competing for the largest minimum starting purse in series dirt-track history! Last place in the 50-lap feature at Eldora will offer $1,000-to-start, up $300 from last year’s minimum payoff. The victory will be worth $8,000. The “4-Crown Nationals” will pit five drivers in a last-chance battle for the series crown, which will be determined at the conclusion of the 50-lap race. A total of 66 points are available and just 29 separate drivers Bobby East, Jerry Coons Jr., Tracy Hines, Chris Windom and Kody Swanson. Windom and Swanson are seeking their initial TRAXXAS Silver Crown series championships. “We are pleased to post this minimum purse increase, which reflects the efforts of all involved to augment this series as we move forward,” says series coordinator James Spink. “We hope this is the first step toward similar increases in the future as we continue to develop the series and re-energize the car counts which have been a challenge during the past season.” The last time the TRAXXAS USAC Silver Crown series offered starting prizes of $1,000 or more was in 2009 at Phoenix International Raceway on the pavement. |
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Does the increase in start money for Eldora make a difference to attract more cars? I hope it does.
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Are these races solely SC cars on the mile nothing else on the card ?? Maybe more double headers on 1/2's.
I was going to go Saturday to Eldora but My Father - in - laws birthday is then & they are having the party at my house. Don't know how many more he'll have as he is getting up there. Don't even think of him or them coming, They wouldn't know a good race if it bit them in the rear. All of the years I've known him I finally got him to go to 1 about 4 or 5 years ago at Limaland for the Doty. |
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Results of the 2008 Silver Crown race at Springfield.
http://www.whowon.com/Results.asp?Tr...StoryID=256161 |
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