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[QUOTE=treecitytornado;295228]Well, that could be, but they listed the payout for all 22 cars tonight, and last was listed as 800, so who knows. It's like why didn't Kraig take a provisional at Lernerville when he was right in the middle of a points battle. Things don't make sense sometimes.

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You're probably right then

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The woo. The world was brain washed into thinking this is the best sprintracing anywhere. Crappy racing, low car counts. Dominated by old men and their huge money sponsors. Its disgusting to think most people consider this the top class in the world. The top promoted class in the world but far from the best.

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Originally Posted by backitin:
The woo. The world was brain washed into thinking this is the best sprintracing anywhere. Crappy racing, low car counts. Dominated by old men and their huge money sponsors. Its disgusting to think most people consider this the top class in the world. The top promoted class in the world but far from the best.

I find comments like this interesting. Lucas came from the 7th starting spot. Kinser flipped and came from tail to top ten. Watch the highlight video from Jacklash.....hell of a move for the lead. What more do you want in a feature? Last week at Eldora, the top three finishers came from the first two rows. Only 36 cars for 10K to win. Yes, Ballou came from tail to 3rd at one point but his car let him down. USAC only got 16 cars at Eagle and Bellville and they have two divisions on life support.

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Originally Posted by flatout:
I find comments like this interesting. Lucas came from the 7th starting spot. Kinser flipped and came from tail to top ten. Watch the highlight video from Jacklash.....hell of a move for the lead. What more do you want in a feature? Last week at Eldora, the top three finishers came from the first two rows. Only 36 cars for 10K to win. Yes, Ballou came from tail to 3rd at one point but his car let him down. USAC only got 16 cars at Eagle and Bellville and they have two divisions on life support.

Just for the record, Belleville is not a USAC race. Both series brought the same amount of point chasers. I don't think either is on life support. Glad you got to see Lucas Wolfe win. That is pretty cool.

To me, that's usually the way an outlaw race is. Heats, eh, so so - but the features are incredible, especially on smaller tracks where lapped traffic comes into play early. Thats the way Pevely should be tonight with 55 laps

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It amazes me to see the shock that some seem to have that the WoO don't draw huge car counts when they run in Indiana. Do they think that a bunch of Hoosier state winged sprint cars are just going to magically appear? Outside of perhaps Bill Rose, Paul May, and Kody Kinser, how many primarily winged racers are in that neck of the woods?

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
Just for the record, Belleville is not a USAC race. Both series brought the same amount of point chasers. I don't think either is on life support. Glad you got to see Lucas Wolfe win. That is pretty cool.

Thanks for that information. Did not realize that Bellville wasn't USAC. Not looking for an argument and am curious on your perspective as to the health of USAC SC and midget divisions. SC cars have been way down this year. Midgets have been struggling the last couple of years. Both are great series in their own right, SC on the miles and midgets on the bullrings. But it seems like they have been in a big decline over the last few years.

Yes, am glad Lucas finally knocked the door down. Hopefully he will get a few more before the year is out. Great to seem him and Chad K getting wins this year. Hopefully the fans get some great racing tonight with Bellville and Pevely.

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I love to see a huge car count like anyone else.. but no one is saying how huge the crowd was.... it was packed so wing and NON wing fans are still alive in Indiana! They didnt have much dirt to rework the track with because of the rubber down, I think they wanted to sell more hotogs during the lengthy break and it was back to concrete 10 laps into the modified feature. Everyone on here knows iam a huge wing guy and last night was the worst race Ive been to all year...wing or non wing...I do admit the modifieds were awesome...I am headng to Knoxville next week....that place is incredible.

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Originally Posted by backitin:
The woo. The world was brain washed into thinking this is the best sprintracing anywhere. Crappy racing, low car counts. Dominated by old men and their huge money sponsors. Its disgusting to think most people consider this the top class in the world. The top promoted class in the world but far from the best.

Like most on here, I prefer my sprint car racing without wings (As illustrated by the fact that if Haubstadt doesn't rainout tonight, I'll make the 175 mile drive there instead of the 60 mile drive to Pevely.) But I don't think wing fans are "brain washed", nor am I "disgusted" by their choice.

Honestly, as someone who watches both varieties of the sport, this sounds kind of condescending to me. We're still something of a niche sport, can we afford to be snobs about which type of sprint racing we support?

And by the way, I saw a pretty **** good wing race last week at Jacksonville between Brian Brown and Danny Smith.

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The hatred tword WOO always amazes me. Hands down it is the top series in the United States. Yes they have a marketing machine behind it. Guess what, they have to. Its a big step up for a local driver. If it wasn't our best guys would be up there dominating. I am sure it is easier to get a WOO sponsorship than it is a Friday night Bloomington Sponsorship with all of the Tv and media exposure. Is it the best racing in the world, not always. I can make a large list of local sprint cars shows that I have seen that were not all that great. If everything was the same, pull the wings off, there would not be 1/4 of the negativity on here. My big question to the haters on here, what harm did the Woo do to local sprint car racing last night? i just wish last night would have been a TV show. Have not been able to make a local WOO show the last 3 year

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Originally Posted by illiNOISE:
Like most on here, I prefer my sprint car racing without wings (As illustrated by the fact that if Haubstadt doesn't rainout tonight, I'll make the 175 mile drive there instead of the 60 mile drive to Pevely.) But I don't think wing fans are "brain washed", nor am I "disgusted" by their choice.

Honestly, as someone who watches both varieties of the sport, this sounds kind of condescending to me. We're still something of a niche sport, can we afford to be snobs about which type of sprint racing we support?

And by the way, I saw a pretty **** good wing race last week at Jacksonville between Brian Brown and Danny Smith.

LOL--I am 174 miles from Tri State and 60 from Pevely, and also hoping I go to Tri State this afternoon.

I saw the Highland MOWA race and was pleasantly surprised. It was the first winged race I have seen in many years. I still prefer wingless but Smith, Urish and Hull put on a good show. For $15, and only 27 miles from home.

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Lost the pavement sprint cars, are trying to kill Champ dirt cars. Midgets, POWERi has them in droves. Life support seems to be optimistic if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by racephoto1:
Lost the pavement sprint cars, are trying to kill Champ dirt cars. Midgets, POWERi has them in droves. Life support seems to be optimistic if you ask me.

Keep grinding that ax.

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One thing I have a theory on, I'm betting 10-25-50 years from now there will be a USAC type organization out of the Indy area doing the same type of thing that takes place today and the local open wheel tracks will be around in some form. Seems to me going to non-wing sprint car races is a huge part of Indiana's recreational culture. I know for years myself and many, many others have traveled to take part in it. I am not so sure the WOO will survive when a couple top crowd favorites retire. Not selling anyone short or trying to show disrespect. Just my opinion.

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How was the spectator count last night? I haven't seen any mention of the crowd size, just earlier comments on an anticipated large turnout.

Originally Posted by racephoto1:
Lost the pavement sprint cars, are trying to kill Champ dirt cars. Midgets, POWERi has them in droves. Life support seems to be optimistic if you ask me.


Yet you still show up to the USAC races...if your so disturbed by USac and the product they produce why would you put yourself thru so much pain to go and shoot their races...no sanction group is perfect...

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Well I'm not the most objective when it comes to winged racing, I might be the ultimate wing hater. Maybe I missed the one good race they had in a while. I do know that the last four or five or twenty woo races I tryed to watch were all pretty bad to the point i couldnt watch. i like my stuff at least a little sideways. One good pass for the lead doesnt make must watch racing in my opinion. I do know the top race series in the nation should draw a few more than twenty or so cars. Winged cars aint even Sprintcars.

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Originally Posted by flatout:
Thanks for that information. Did not realize that Bellville wasn't USAC. Not looking for an argument and am curious on your perspective as to the health of USAC SC and midget divisions. SC cars have been way down this year. Midgets have been struggling the last couple of years. Both are great series in their own right, SC on the miles and midgets on the bullrings. But it seems like they have been in a big decline over the last few years.

Yes, am glad Lucas finally knocked the door down. Hopefully he will get a few more before the year is out. Great to seem him and Chad K getting wins this year. Hopefully the fans get some great racing tonight with Bellville and Pevely.

Since you asked, the SC and midget divisions are struggling a little bit. I went to my first champ dirt race at the 1977 Hoosier Hundred. My Dad told me that day to enjoy them as they won't be around long. Honestly I can't believe they have lasted this long. They got a shot in the arm a few years ago when everyone thought they were the ticket to NASCAR. I think the main thing that hurts them is there hasn't been a dirt mile built in over a hundred years. That says a lot about interest and profitablity. I love them, but I am old.
As for the midgets, the cost to run one is outrageous. People will say POWRI is doing great, and they do have a strong program, but they are grass roots racers, and do better when they stay close to home and on small tracks. That is their strength and at tracks like Belle Claire they are fantastic. ARDC is the only group I have seen any real growth out of in the last 5 years. It would be nice to see all the groups get together to figure out how to control costs, but I am not holding my breath.