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george bush"s fault

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I wish they would cancel work in that freezer of a cooler that i drive my forklift in every day. Five or six days a week i can't feel my fingers or toes and my nose drips like a leaky faucet. I got a wife and four kids.....so i decide to keep going back.

We raced here at Plymouth tonight and it cooled off really well. The track also stayed nice and felt good with two lanes. Thanks to the crew at Plymouth for putting on a good show. The heat started to fade after about 5:30.

Mike Gass #17

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The heat didn't seem to bother the drivers and crews of the 600 mini sprints or the hornets at Plymouth. The forecast at Port Royal was 100 degrees on Saturday night, but that didn't stop the PA Posse from racing. (They also race in early February when it's freezing out and there is snow on the ground.) The show at Oswego tonight was awesome, and the stands were packed. At $40 for reserved seats and $30 for GA, I'm sure the promoters were thrilled with ISMA and MustSee.

I agree with Tim C. on this. If a team doesn't feel comfortable racing due to heat, they can make their own personal decision to stay home. Just because a few would rather stay at home doesn't mean that the rest of us should have to. And people wonder why some tracks/series have trouble getting fans in the front gate?

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Seriously I mean no dissrespect and you all have your reasons for what you decide too do.

But Im seeing one owner ribbing another one over not racing and that race car loaded up at a MSCS show a couple years back, rather than start the tail of a heat and Im not talking about the weather. It was fine :) (Ribbing ya here Tim) and might have done the same thing if my $ were in the kitty then too.

With all due respect

As for that show, Theres a old saying "THE SHOW MUST GO ON" and if it was possible to run and didn't for whatever reason, it can do nothing but hurt the gate in the future!

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Is it possible that the ailment highlighted is due to something other than the heat? Age, for instance? Remember, you are over 40, now.:D:D:D

Tim Simmons

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Sharon...did you go to Oswego? heard there was no passing... just wondering?

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The racers in Arizona gotta be rollin on the floor about this.

Suck it up buttercups.

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Once again I succeeded in ticking off someone i didn't mean too and I do repect the efforts put forth by all the teams and sponsors.

My Point was that just like the two eldora openers, (Not usacs fault) Midget week 2009 union county and countless before the net. Show ups to cancelled USAC shows. IT CAN DO NOTHING BUT DAMAGE THE BRAND by not holding a event that could be held as advertised if it could have been sucessfully held.

The Teams or Drivers can race or not for whatever reason. I know for a fact I needed several gatorades the last two days just to sit on my arse and watch em.

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A "national" motorsports event should not be cancelled due to extreme heat. Of course that's just my opinion.

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I think the problem is economics, not the heat. Casual fans are needed to make money. Casual fans do not come out in extreme weather conditions. I don't know if all the blame belongs with USAC. If they were the ones who pulled the plug, the promoter could have saved the sanction fee and still held the race. That was done several years ago at Union County, when several teams had track concerns and left. USAC dropped the sanction so that teams chasing points would not be penalized for not competing. Wonder why this option wasn't considered?

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Didn't POWRI just cancel 2 races because of heat? How many cars did Must See take to Oswego? No problem, it is what it is, but it amazes me how selective some people are with their complaints. 14 cars is great for some a travesty for others.

Doesn't USAC have a rule about racing within a certain number of hours of a USAC race with another sanction or non-sanctioned event? If they are racing at Angel Park tonight, that rule would have prohibited them from racing at Plymouth if they went on with the race without USAC sanctioning. Maybe I'm mistaken, or that rule wouldn't apply here, but I thought that when I wondered why they wouldn't go on with the show unsanctioned.

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Funk how is it not USAC fault.Plymouth ran last night the promoter was willing to take the risk.If USAC didn't race cuz of heat( 90 degrees)cancel the rest of the summer.If they didn't race cuz of "safety" issues there fault again they booked the show.

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Yes they did. However, as I said earlier this is the least of the worst that USAC has done recently. How many midgets does the POWRi series see at a race. I can tell you because I am at some of them. Usually they attract a minimum of 30 cars and at Jacksonville earlier this year that had somewhere around 55. Whens the last time a USAC show (other than the hut 100) drew 55 dirt midgets???? The funny thing is is that the race at JVille only paid $2,000 lol....Kenny Brown and the POWRi have done a great job building up midget racing in the midwest while what should be the most prestigous midget organization in the country is struggling to get 30 on a regular points race (excluding Midget Week and Hut 100). This is my point!:34:

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The problem has nothing to do with economics. Reserved seats were sold out at Oswego at $40 each, and I had a hard time finding a seat in general admission at $30 each. The stands were packed at Oswego, and the promoter had to be happy considering the cost of admission and the fact that it was packed. I am sure that Port Royal was packed too. The last time I was at the Port a few weeks ago, it was a full house.

Must See only brought about 14 cars, true -- but they are going to grow if they keep up the good work of fast cars and good clean racing, coupled with a strategy of hooking up at some good venues. Let's not forget for the $30 at Oswego, we were also treated to ISMA Supermodifieds and SBS. ISMA had a consi where 6 or 7 cars didn't make the race and had to go home. I believe there were 33 supers at Oswego. The SBS race also had a consi where about 5 - 8 teams didn't make the race.

Race fans will go to races and spend money if they are getting value for their entertainment dollar. This has nothing to do with economics, just value. Some tracks and some series know how to get fans to the track. Oswego made about $100 from the two of us last night with admission prices, food and drinks. The Port also knows how to get fans to the track. Watch the video of Tyler Walker at Williams Grove a few days ago, and tell me you think the place was suffering from lack of fans. Pennsylvania is going through the same heat wave, with the Port at 100 degrees on Saturday. Pennsylvania and NY have the same economic issues as Plymouth.

I'm headed to Utica Rome within the hour to catch the modified show, and then I'll be headed back home to Pittsburgh. I am sure Utica Rome will be happy to collect my admission.

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Yes, I made my first trip to Oswego on Saturday night. I haven't been there in a few years, so it was nice to go back. The place was absolutely packed.

The racing was great! There wasn't a lot of passing in the Must See race, but it was still exciting because of the high speeds and no cautions. If Must See can start to get fuller fields, I predict better things will come out of them.

The ISMA Supermodifieds almost always put on a good show in my opinion. They had ~33 supers, so it was necessary to have a 12 car consi where only 6 transferred. Remember not so long ago when Silver Crown had even larger turnouts at the pavement races? :) The #2 Super moved up through the field, and the #37 was sure to make a move on the leader before he spun and hit the wall. There wasn't as much passing as I would like to see, but the speeds at Oswego and the tightness of the turns always make for exciting shows.

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Sharon, hope you enjoy Utica-Rome as much as you did Oswego.

The Torrese family could have certainly cancelled Oswego yesterday morning with as heavy as it was raining. They had today scheduled for a rain date but they also realized how far the competitors and race fans traveled to be at Oswego yeterday. An how important it was to get the race in on Saturday, todays weather systems leave little guessing to how the weather will change over the course of 24 hours. They watched those weather models and got the show in, on what turned out to be a perfect day. An one thing I can say since they have taken over the track you see no cancelling days in advance due to possible weather issues.

As an Arizona resident now, I won't say I was rolling over reading this thread, my first concern has always been for the safety of the racers. In the past we have certainly raced in extreme heat both in Az. and back east. I remember being in Richmond for a Sliver Crown Race when it must have been 100 degrees. That is what has left me scratching my head about USAC"s decision to run the pavement track in even hoter conditins and then cancel the dirt race at Plymouth. If there reason for cancelling was a saftey issue, seems to me that should have been decided earlier than the day of the race.

Patti

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Bentley Warren would have race in this weather. That's when racers were men!!