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From what I've heard it's a hard sell to get the promoters to go non wing shows and boy do the hit harder when they flip.

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Way Over my head it flew right over about 15000 feet.

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I love the non-wing stuff, but some of the people we race with have a hard enough time staying straight with a wing on... Tulsa was a cluster**** through all of practices and the heat races.

Me and dad were talking about the series deal today, one of the main things that both need to improve on is acting more professional. Update the websites several times a week, adding pictures and well written stories about the races. Find someone who can write well written press releases that promote the tracks and drivers, and help to draw interest to the sport. The way some of the stuff released you would think we were all a bunch of drunken hillbillies. (Not completely false :D )

Haha it's a line from the anchor man! You'd have to see it! Lol
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Slide 22 We send our kids to college to do things like this. My kid does something with computers I don't know what he does but he does it. I'm sure if someone would offer there service at a reasonable rate he could get a job with either bunch and it would be a big help to all us.

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And I don't live in Kentucky anymore. Im a Hoosier now "That's a guy from kentucky that ran out of money befor he got to Michigan"

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Why dont they just use the scales at Lawrenceburg? Dont they weigh the modifieds in that building? Why could they not weigh the mini sprints there.

MMSA uses Brownstowns scales, used the scales at North Vernon when we raced there.



I dont care if race teams use alchohol or gas, I just dont like the idea of spending money changing cams, valve springs, milling heads etc.

If the 2 series allow this type of motor work, why dont they just let everyone do what they want. Why care about bore and stroke.

I would still like to see everyone put the motor into the car right out of the bike, no motor work, run alchohol or gas I dont care, allow power commanders?

What do you all think.

Mike

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The ilss guys are having there al archdale memorial race at peoria speedway in Peoria, IL on October 1st. its going to be 1500 to win.

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Could you post more info on the Al Archdale race. WE would like to know pit gate open, race start track size and banking. It would also be nice for several teams to get together to share driving and gas expense. Now I guess i'll go google a little.

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Mike

I own the #5 and #7 mini sprint cars driven by Drew myson.

Both motors were sealed box stock in 2009 and are still sealed.
I have never had the valve covers off either engine. Box stock right off the bike.
We are not getting out motored but both cars are ussually very competive.
Both cars on alcohol and no power commanders are used. You do not need power commanders-waste of money.
The problem with the scale used by AMSA is the variation of 50 to 70 pounds if you are adding weights to meet the alcohol weight limit.
Adjust the weight to be at 970 go to the scales and weigh in at 92t5.
Go add more weight come back and weigh in at 1025.
This is a pain in the '''''''' to screw around trying to comply with a scale system that is very unpredictable.
At L'Berg the AMSA scale should be set up properly on the concrete pad near the tire pile about 75 feet from were the AMSA trailer parks.
The pad could be tped off so scales are plased on the same spot each race.
You do not need to be to smart to solve this scale variation problem. Just recognize you have a problem and go fix it. Simple as that.

Do not think peolple racing min sprints are doing a lot of magic to the 1000 cc motors. Just good tuning and great car adjustments.
Thoe racers good at tuning engines and cars are always fast and ussually accused of cheating. I do not personnaly know any one today who is running anything outside the rules.

Focus more on what you can do to get better performance and less on what other racers are doing to be fast.

Strive for performance improvements every week just to maintain parity with the competition. Continue to do the same thing each week, do not expect different results.
Added rules will not solve this issue. Harder work at improving performance in tuning and set up is the answer.

Sorry for the post length but I feel strong conviction about racing and having fun with my boys. Do not enjoy all the ******** and finger pointing to teams that are fast and win.

George Pollock

George Pollock

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George The only thing I learned out of 9th grade biology was "good,better,best, never let it rest, till your good is better and your better is best" . I've remembered this for 50 years now and it does seem to work, as a 15 year old I thought the teacher was a kook.

I have the same concerns with the scales.....I have heard the comment that we are all using the same scales but in reality that statement is not true. If the scales have moved, slid to a different patch of gravel, etc. they will not give the same readings from one car to the next. They need to be on a solid level surface....and, as George mentioned, preferably in the same location each race.
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the building that the scales are in at lawrenceburg doesnt have a tall enough door way so somone would have to stand there and lower the wings on the cars as they came into the door, and i could just see the arguement if someone forgot to let a wing down and it ripped the side boarb off.

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Wish we had that problem we carry more than enough extra weight so we don't have to make all those trips to the scale . I remember in 600's it was 750 lbs car and driver at thunder valley and we had to add weight. Those were the good old days, but we grew up. The way I see it 8 lbs is not going to affect the outcome one way or the other, now 50 lbs will and a lot of us weigh over 1/2 a ton across the scale, makes it hard to run up front. If you are good you can but a poor guy starting out will probably say to hell with it in a year or so and quit. Take him and the kids just moving thru and it's hard to build car count. One gallon of fuel is 8 lbs make the min weight 762-770 for fuel set your car up to 770 and stop fighting the ounces. When and if you come up light ask for the scale holder to be removed and weigh directly off of the ground the wheel weight % will be way off but the car weight will be spot on. Wish I would have thought of that a few years ago, at times they are also measure the spring rate of the scale holder. If the raise the scale holder up and slip a 2x4 under the middle of the ramps before they weigh you, you know you got problems.

I never understood why the burg put scales in that building with small doors they can't weigh any wing cars. But I think they only use for the mods anyways and phil loves mods as much as I do
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That would not be good! I remember one time I was in a hurry to get the car in the trailer when rain was starting to come down. Unfortunately I forgot to take the wing off first! :11;

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Here is the ILSS website. On the home page the is a flyer about the Oct. 1st race as well as contact information for the series.

http://illinoislss.webs.com/

Also here is the Peoria Speedway's website as well.

http://peoriaspeedway.com/

AJ

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In response to the thread originator, minispeed,
This past sat. Aug. 27th the MMSA had 17 cars at Brownstown, the Waynesfield track had 16 cars and the Amsa had 15 at K-C, a total of 48
In which case, 3 cars received 1st place money, 3 cars received 2nd place money right on down the finish order,had all of these cars been at a single track 28 cars would have went home without running a feature and consequentley very little or no payout at all, while the top 20 received regular payout, the bottom 28 left dissapointed, some may not return next week or never after a few weeks of dissapoimtment.
The mini sprints were (and are) a support class at all 3 tracks, promoters don't provide a lot of money for support classes, Waynesfield and Brownstown ran 6 classes and K-C 4 sat nite, outside sponsors help increase the purse sometimes and are very much appreciated by all.
The mini sprint class is by & large a development division for advanced open wheel racers, or in some case it's what racers enjoy and can afford. I'm not aware of any track where mini sprints are the premier class with a payout better than what we have now.
Just a little background info. for comparision, several years ago, when I ran the Buckeye Mini Sprints, a 600 upright organization, we took 50 cars to the 16th St. speedway in Indy. I received a hell of a lot more negative remarks from racers that failed to make the feature than positive from those that did. Too many cars for a fixed amount of money and there is the sometimes present ego factor involved.
If your goal is to be part of a 40 cars field, get a sprint car and go to Paragon every week where all cars run a feature, good luck finding a promoter that will do that for mini sprints, the crowds just don't demand or support it. Bottom line, Promoters need to make money.
There is a lot of competition out there for support classes for the Promoter to choose from.
The Fun Fest at Brownstown will provide the opportunity for all area mini sprint racers to come together and demonstrate to the promoters that a large car count is possible, we are considering making one night non wing to appeal to more racers and give additional experience without the wing as we plan more non wing races next season, as it has been mentioned earlier in this thread, some racers need that experience and this is an opportunity to get it. could be beneficial if you do make that move to Paragon or somewhere else in a full sprint.
I would like so see some tye of a Nationals event with a super car count and payout sometime in the near future, I will work on it.
In the meantime, good luck to all racers in the future and enjoy what you have now.

Bill May

Well said Bill.
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Couldn't agree more, Bill, not many stay around long, if all they do is PAY, but if they get a little PAY, chances are good they'll be able to afford to get better, and be back more often, I can remember the early days of Karting, at Whiteland, guys would go and watch, and over the winter, buy a new set up, and there'd be 300 at the first race of the season, and the next week, half of them would be in the Trader, for sale, and then by the 4th race, they'd be back to a normal count. Sometimes, too many, is worse than too few. Bob!:)

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*************darn that was good************does hard charger pay points?

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I think bill killed this horse thanks.

Hey Bill the GOP still is in search of a descent Presidential candidate..
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I think Mr. May is right this time. there needs to be 2 associations. And let the guys run with who ever and when ever. If their association don't have a race then go run with mmsa or amsa. surport each other and stop this fighting againts each other. I have seen the amsa members race with mmsa, but, I don't think I have ever seen a mmsa members race with amsa. maybe one will come over, but not alot like the amsa guys do. ( Is there a reason for that). I was in the pits at Lawrenceburg last yr with our friends grandson when he raced his Sprint. I seen Mr Tague riding on his golf cart going around talking to his members. If they needed help, he jumped in and got then running so they could be in the Feature. I just wish everyone would get along. build up the Mini Sprints in place of tearing them down, maybe more promoter would give you more race dates. all of you add like adults, and I bet who ever you race with they would welcome you anytime and make you feel welcome. Now next year give it a try. More race cars sometime is not good. Like Bill said some will go home empty handed. Now I said my peace. so now you can start bashing me.

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I agree it's important to have both organizations....it would be nice though to see a couple of combined races, maybe one at L-Burg and one at Brownstown. Those would be cool events.

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The amsa will be at kc race way on sept 24 this would be a good place for mmsa members to come and race on a nice racetrack that would compare to bloomington . Hint Teams like bradleys crew,
ambrose crew, Dads MUFFLER,Doug Jones crew and all other members
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I'd like too but operating on a super low budget this year with the new job, diesel truck has been down all season..
I like racing with you guys for sure weather it's with AMSA or MMSA, but after we had some issues with some of AMSA officials two years ago it's just not been worth the awkwardness.. However we may make the trip if I can find a truck.. Harry the AMSA guys race with us because of the venues.. It's nice to be part of other big name tracks other than L burg.. Btw we get your point.. You have repeated the same post a million times.. Show up to the track and be called a cheater before the heat race, and then realize why you don't wanna be there. You name it nitro, illegal wings , side boards , and the best one I heard switching drivers to get a car in the show.. I've been accused of all.
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How far is KC?
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Chillocothe Ohio.....about 2 hours from Cincy.

Come park by us. When we got started in Mini's you guys were real good to TJ, back when he was 13 years old and learning every second of every minute he was on the track. I know we got in your way a few times. You guys are always welcome to hang with us.

And just want all you AMSA guys to know it's not you... It's the ******** above you. From what I heard it's getting better with the exit of a few key management officials but damage is done. I love the drivers, Henning, Stewart, Roberts x 3 Id rather dice it up with you guys then with anybody.
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Hey everyone US 24 having a $600 to win outlaw show. Run what you brung and hope you brought enough (leave ******** behind). Logansport
is a tight bull ring that is extremely racy with multiple grooves. I bet this will be the best minisprint/midget racing people have seen all year. These big racetracks are making minisprints a bore in my opinion. Momentum becomes the main focus. Get the cars back on the bullrings where a slew of cars can compete for the win. If I can find a ride i am going to make it to this one.

That KC date overlaps our tba Osgood non wing date.
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Looks like the Osgood race is still tentative....we may show up for that if it ends up being a go. Assuming I can drag my arse out of bed the morning after KC.

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Since my family isn't able to be with AMSA this year,I guess you are saying we were Key Management,WRONG. Jerry and Mert are the owners and we only carried out orders and followed orders.Nobody was check for nitro only 1 wing was measured because it was questioned and it was 2 inches shorter than the others so it looked different,perfectly legal,as for your last statement I came to you because one of your good buddies came to us after the races and told what you did. If you hadn't mentioned it nobody would of known.You don't like AMSA because Jerry enfores the rules for everyone not just a chosen few.Sorry you don't like me and mine you have poke .pick and accused us of treating you bad .Everyone knows why there is 2 clubs and the only people on here saying bad things is not AMSA.

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15 20 mins down the road from 35 raceway. one of the fastest tracks you will race on.

Obviously a "dead horse" but no one ever changed cars Harriet. Mike Mesindick drove that car into the show, and you know it. Thanks Stewert I want to check it out for sure but I don't want to commit untill I see how this Osgood thing goes, cause I do love me some non wing!
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Ha ha! I think I remember that night.....was that at L-burg?
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yep and I didn't bring it up and never talked about it except to Jerry and Mert.He was never accused just ask about it.Me think he protests too much.

Sure was. Allen Rupenthal rented my car to the Mesendicks, Nathan wasnt comfortable with the seat and the belts being too large.. Mike being more my size jumped in the car and started on the tail of the B.. Almost one is first time out.. Started the A ran it into the front half of the field.. Haha then what happened mike!
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It is going to be interesting to see if an AMSA, MMSA, or 600 upright driver wins the first two 1000 cc/600cc battles at the Rumble In Fort Wayne indoor events on Friday, Dec. 30, and Saturday, Dec. 31.

I plan on having our announcer let fans know what sanction you represent.

I think the 600 cars will be competitive at Fort Wayne. If you know teams that have them, let em know this is going on. They are harder to reach.

Thanks,
Tony Barhorst
http://www.rumbleseries.com/
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Tony with surface you have, what kind of tires should a guy acquire?
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The main thing I want to do is keep costs down so you don't have to buy tires. We are mandating dirt tires just like we do with our 600 sidewinders. I am going to pass this question on to our 600 race director Keith Ousley. Dwayne or anyone from Miami County Speedway, if you have an opinion on this..let us know.

We are going by MMSA rules and tech. I am not up to speed on the tire choices/sizes you run yet..what are all the options?

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Don't know compounds that the mini sprints use, but a lot of the 600 micro guys use what we all call a Spec tire (which durometers out around a 50), and I believe it's a D35, and from what I can remember, around a D20 or harder on the left rear, and some harder right fronts.